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wildkat
Joined: 19 Feb 2007
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Location: Somewhere on the Alaska Highway, Canada
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| Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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lostNfound wrote: wildkat wrote: Paperless logs are not recognized up here as legal....yet. Thank God! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Not true ... at least not now. We're running the PeopleNet eLogs.
According to Alberta Transportation you MUST be able to provide written (paper) logs if requested...
Who knows maybe it's up to the company to provide them. We have the PeopleNet system too, but there is BIG time resistance in using it, both in the office & out here on the road. Go figure... |
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Fozzy
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| Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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wildkat wrote: lostNfound wrote: wildkat wrote: Paperless logs are not recognized up here as legal....yet. Thank God! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Not true ... at least not now. We're running the PeopleNet eLogs.
According to Alberta Transportation you MUST be able to provide written (paper) logs if requested...
Who knows maybe it's up to the company to provide them. We have the PeopleNet system too, but there is BIG time resistance in using it, both in the office & out here on the road. Go figure...
If they request them, they can be faxed to the scalehouse in seconds. I don't see what the resistance in the office would be considering that the Peoplenet system is easy and save a heck of a lot of time over the god awful paper logs. |
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wildkat
Joined: 19 Feb 2007
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Location: Somewhere on the Alaska Highway, Canada
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:30 am Post subject: |
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Well, we are an LTL carrier that has been around since 1946. I think there is trouble integrating the system between dispatch, city dispatch, billing, etc. And my dispatcher (linehaul) says that everytime he logs onto the system it crashes his whole computer, so HE refuses to use it. :shock: :shock:
And...it does NOT understand the "North of 60" HOS, so for people like me it simply doesn't work.
Personally, I don't much care to have yet another electronic device staring over my shoulder. :cry: :cry: :cry: |
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Cat6869
Joined: 10 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Jackrabbit379 wrote: Yeah, I've heard that. Sitting in Dallas traffic, and other guys on the radio talk about Werner, and how they are on duty not driving while sitting in traffic. :P
You should be logging driving while stuck in traffic, not on-duty |
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Ronin
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| That's true, but if werner's log system is tied to the truck it may not register not moving or moving slow as line 3. So it would instead place the driver on line 4 since the driver has not logged as line 1 or 2 in the system. |
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Cat6869
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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Ronin wrote: That's true, but if werner's log system is tied to the truck it may not register not moving or moving slow as line 3. So it would instead place the driver on line 4 since the driver has not logged as line 1 or 2 in the system.
I wonder how that works? I thought a driver that worked for Werner said they would have to enter they was driving and not off duty. I can't really remember though. Anyone how does the on board logging system log if you are stuck in traffic. A driver using paper logs would show this as driving time. How does the on-board logging device log it? |
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Ronin
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| Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:13 am Post subject: |
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| I believe Drew works/has worked for Werner, maybe he can shed some light on the issue. |
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dangwabbit
Joined: 16 Mar 2008
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Location: Lower 48
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| Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Why wouldn't I want to? Not letting anyone dictating how I run....oh yeah, I'm an O/O but don't understand why a company driver would have paper logs either. By the way loose leaf is the best. |
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Drew10
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
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Location: 0001 Cemetery Lane
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| Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry...didnt notice the inquiry till it was "bumped" back to the top.
Werner drivers have control over the duty status changes, just like any paper log. The only duty status we do not make an actual input on is VI and Fueling. The VI is automatically input prior to the 1st "on duty" status change following a 10 hour break. Fueling is automatically recorded when the fueling occurs at the pump. (assuming the fueling occurs with a card reader). All other duty status changes are input manually into the qualcom.
Werner trucks can be driven for extremely short distances "off duty". (except for Personnel Drive Time) The distance various with the area you are in, so it is difficult to determine, unless you run the same area(s) all the time. But...generally less than a mile or 2.
If Im "stuck" in traffic (logging line3) and Im sitting or "crawling" a very short distance and time elaspses. The logs may "trip" to line 4 since the tracking doesnt show movement. When movement resumes the tracking will place the driver back on line 3. If this occurs the driver will not know a duty status change occured. When the driver inputs the next duty status change you will receive a "duty status" change message, indicating the change of duty status to line 4, and the time period. (time spent in traffic prior to "tripping" back to line 3).
It is now the drivers "legal obligation" to correct the log error from line 4 to line 3 for the period sitting in the traffic. |
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