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ben45750 · Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 1759

inmate1577 wrote: "because the bible says its wrong" (no it doesnt)

Hmmmm.... I guess we must be reading different Bibles?

Gen 19:5-8 "and they called to Lot and said to him, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them.' But Lot went out to them at the doorway, and shut the door behind him, and said, 'Please, my brothers, do not act wickedly.'" The Greek word in the New Testament for homosexuality is literally "a sodomite". Jock is trying to redefine what the term "sodomite" means. (A term that has unchanged in 5000 years, even today- "sodomy") Apart from the fact the city was clearly destroyed by God because of homosexuality in the narrative of Gen 19, even the New Testament clearly states exactly the same thing in Jude 7 "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire." Any sinner should always remember that the God who commands us to love our neighbour is the same God who will cast any and all unrepentant sinners into the "eternal fire". Here are more Bible quotes, Lev 18:22-23 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death." 1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals" 1 Tim 1:9-10 "realizing the fact that (civil) law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers" Rom 1:26-27 "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."

Not my writing, I used the ole' copy and paste from the first search in google for "bible quotes about gays". I honestly could care less if two females decide to be lesbians, but two men being gay, thats just sick.

But in all seriousness I think if two "people" decide that they want to spend their time together as life partners they should be able to have the benefits that a married couple have.

Fozzy · Joined: 02 Sep 2005 Posts: 2460

islamic fundies, christian fundies.. there is no difference, should be quote the rest of the scriptures and see why and how the same type of religious bigot could regard you as "unclean"? This is American were people are supposed to be from the religious idiocy of others. If you are willing to get into other peoples lives that do not effect you in the slightest, don't be shocked when the other religions do the same to you. I would almost love to see the Islamics take a big chunk of the country over just so the religiously "pure" in this country can get a real taste of what they have been dishing out for the last 2000+ years. Living under a different religious hob nail boot would make little difference.

shyykatt · Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 2097 Location: MN

sucha sensitive topic- til' the end of time nobody will ever agree on whats 'right or wrong'- why did this even get started anyway?? :roll: :?

Fozzy · Joined: 02 Sep 2005 Posts: 2460

shyykatt wrote: sucha sensitive topic- til' the end of time nobody will ever agree on whats 'right or wrong'- why did this even get started anyway?? :roll: :?

because using an imaginary friend to justify killing and destroying your enemies makes a person feel absolved.

shyykatt · Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 2097 Location: MN

Huh? (I'ma blonde, dont forget! :lol: )

Malaki86 · Joined: 28 Aug 2004 Posts: 2126 Location: West Virginia

Myself, I say let em do what they want. If it keeps em out of Heaven then at least we won't have to deal with them for all of eternity.

marylandkw · Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 532 Location: Maryland

Lev 18:22-23 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death."

One can debate many things about the translation of the bible, in the end it is a personal choice how you choose to read it. But as long as everyone is following the bible why don't we look at a few verses from the same book of the bible.

Don't let cattle graze with other kinds of Cattle (Leviticus 19:19)

Don't have a variety of crops on the same field. (Leviticus 19:19)

Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)

Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)

Any person who curseth his mother or father, must be killed. (Leviticus 20:9) Have you ever done that?

If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10).

If a man sleeps with his father's wife... both him and his father's wife is to be put to death. (Leviticus 20:11)

If a man sleeps with his wife and her mother they are all to be burnt to death. (Leviticus 20:14)

If a man or woman has sex with an animal, both human and animal must be killed. (Leviticus 20:15-16).

If a man has sex with a woman on her period, they are both to be "cut off from their people" (Leviticus 20:18)

Psychics, wizards, and so on are to be stoned to death. (Leviticus 20:27)

If a priest's daughter is a whore, she is to be burnt at the stake. (Leviticus 21:9)

People who have flat noses, or is blind or lame, cannot go to an altar of God (Leviticus 21:17-18) hmm I guess the church does not need handicap ramps.

Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16)

So if we are gonna hold up on high the Leviticus 20:13 lets go ahead and start following ALL of Leviticus, until then get off your mighty horse and keep your religion to yourself. Lets not forget the bible was used to clearly demonstrate that God was against interracial marriage and he was Pro-Slavery!

Gay marriage has nothing to do with trying to devalue anyones marriage it has everything to do with a state recognized union between two people who love each other and want to spend the rest of their lives taking care of each other and having rights to property and medical decisions for one another.

If you think Gay marriage will devalue marriage so bad lets go ahead and outlaw divorce and make people face fines and jail time for short "Britney Spears" type 72 hour marriages.

If you say marriage is for procreation then lets go ahead and absolve all childless marriages after a few years. I mean after all marriage is for procreation only right?

I am actually more a fan of civil unions myself but more importantly, My God wants me to love Everyone no matter what. You will never show anyone the way to the kingdom of heaven with HATE.

I am done, sorry for the long post.

ben45750 · Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 1759

marylandkw wrote:

I am done, sorry for the long post.

Good post, doesn't matter if it's long. You make a good point.

Roadhog · Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 9:37 pm Post subject:

Okay...BUT...thing is... :?
Quote all you want from the "Old Testament."....just don't forget everything in it no longer applies...since the "New Testament" replaced it.

The old matters of hand, applied to a civilization that had not yet been given a Redeemer.

It's like using old laws in our Country, that had to deal with life before the advent of the Automobile...or now, new Techno-Age.
See how silly some of those old laws now seem?

I fully believe we will never have anything "right" in this life or World. It is still a World subject to an Evil Lord. The New Testament makes more sense of our current life. But also, keep in mind WHO the Lord of this World is, and who has not yet been replaced.

If anyone here wants normalcy...and moral righteousness...I hope you understand...it will never happen...in this current Era of Mankind. If you happen to have any normalcy and happiness in your life...don't look at it as your "right" but rather a "blessing."

That being said...I believe when we Judge others...we need to be very careful how we do that. I feel all this "alternate lifestyle" is a bunch of crap to downplay and help allow perversion be accepted as a form of okay or normal behavior. I believe when we judge something as destructive to the greater good...then we should be able to as a Society...stand our ground and to hell with PC bullsheit.
Anyone who wishes to waterdown the issue and place guilt trips on those who help make the decisions for Society...your slick tactics are not unnoticed....and we know where your inspiration originates.

Fozzy · Joined: 02 Sep 2005 Posts: 2460

No one has explained how homosexual destroy the greater good (whatever the heck that means in the grand scope of things) of this or any country. The fact is AGAIN, either you can be a religious follower or an American, you cannot do both well. When you demand that other American citizens be demonized and their private lives scrutinized and their equal protections destroyed, you are simply putting yourself in line to be next. This is Taliban west..

I'm also waiting to hear where you think my motivation comes from, that ought to be very entertaining at least.

shyykatt · Joined: 06 Aug 2006 Posts: 2097 Location: MN

roadhog wrote: Okay...BUT...thing is... :?
Quote all you want from the "Old Testament."....just don't forget everything in it no longer applies...since the "New Testament" replaced it.

The old matters of hand, applied to a civilization that had not yet been given a Redeemer.

It's like using old laws in our Country, that had to deal with life before the advent of the Automobile...or now, new Techno-Age.
See how silly some of those old laws now seem?

I fully believe we will never have anything "right" in this life or World. It is still a World subject to an Evil Lord. The New Testament makes more sense of our current life. But also, keep in mind WHO the Lord of this World is, and who has not yet been replaced.

If anyone here wants normalcy...and moral righteousness...I hope you understand...it will never happen...in this current Era of Mankind. If you happen to have any normalcy and happiness in your life...don't look at it as your "right" but rather a "blessing."

That being said...I believe when we Judge others...we need to be very careful how we do that. I feel all this "alternate lifestyle" is a bunch of crap to downplay and help allow perversion be accepted as a form of okay or normal behavior. I believe when we judge something as destructive to the greater good...then we should be able to as a Society...stand our ground and to hell with PC bullsheit.
Anyone who wishes to waterdown the issue and place guilt trips on those who help make the decisions for Society...your slick tactics are not unnoticed....and we know where your inspiration originates.

Thats exactly what I was gonna say (red)- Well said RH. :wink:

Roadhog · Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 9:39 am Post subject:

Foz...my post was not directed at you or anyone else for that matter.
Sorry if it looked personal. :oops:

My opinions are heartfelt and I feel strongly, as you do about your opinions.

I feel homosexuality is a perversion. I feel any moral decadence can bring down a Society. I believe we need to have some control over what is considered acceptable behavior in our Society. The strong-minded may not need the protection as much as the weak-minded. As a Society..we need to protect the innocent.

It would be NICE if this homosexual behavior was kept behind closed doors.
My feelings have most to do with what is acceptable in public.

One can debate until they are blue. There are a lot of things I feel should not be allowed as public behavior. I'm not asking as a American citizen that we condemn homosexuals...but limit what is allowable...in a Society that judges this behavior as immoral.
Gay marriage....I vote NO!

ssoutlaw · Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Posts: 793 Location: Indianapolis,In

I say we move all the homos to southern Oklahoma where they will be welcomed with open arms...lol

WildK9 · Joined: 28 Mar 2006 Posts: 1755 Location: Lewisville, Texas

ssoutlaw wrote: I say we move all the homos to southern Oklahoma where they will be welcomed with open arms...lol

LMAO!!!!

Fozzy · Joined: 02 Sep 2005 Posts: 2460

roadhog wrote: Foz...my post was not directed at you or anyone else for that matter.
Sorry if it looked personal. :oops:

My opinions are heartfelt and I feel strongly, as you do about your opinions.

I feel homosexuality is a perversion. I feel any moral decadence can bring down a Society. I believe we need to have some control over what is considered acceptable behavior in our Society. The strong-minded may not need the protection as much as the weak-minded. As a Society..we need to protect the innocent.

It would be NICE if this homosexual behavior was kept behind closed doors.
My feelings have most to do with what is acceptable in public.

One can debate until they are blue. There are a lot of things I feel should not be allowed as public behavior. I'm not asking as a American citizen that we condemn homosexuals...but limit what is allowable...in a Society that judges this behavior as immoral.
Gay marriage....I vote NO!

The main problem with trying to limit the actions of others is again, the inability to stop the wheel once it gets rolling. There are no limits really on what is allowable if it does not affect you personally. There are many many things that all sorts of people do that I find repugnant and personally offensive. The only choice I have in that matter is not engage in the behavior that I personally find revolting. You do not have a right to never be offended!

There are far more problems that effect society poorly that involves the heterosexuals. The average person's behavior is just plain going to the dogs in a lot of ways. Everyone knows that the society is doing poorly and that its not going to change anytime soon. The problem I have with this whole topic is that this issue in particular looks eerily familiar with other times in history in this and other countries. When the society starts to blame and point to one group's actions as "the root of societies problems", bad things tend to happen. As a religious person, you can dislike the actions of those who are acting contrary to the religious teachings that you have accepted, as an American, the whole basis of this country is to live your life as you see fit and leave everyone else alone to live theirs.

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