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TheNewGuy
Joined: 25 May 2004
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Location: Edgewater, FL
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 9:24 pm Post subject: Better wage vs. Better miles |
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| If you were to choose between a new company offering a fantastic wage (40 + cpm), but a relativly small customer base and possibly not as many miles or an established company with plenty of miles but signifigantly lower wages (25-30 cpm), which would you choose? |
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bluebeetle
Joined: 17 Jul 2002
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Location: Lincoln, NE
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 5:06 am Post subject: |
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This is called the Dispatchers Math.
.40 cpm X 1000 miles = $400.00
.30 cpm X 3000 miles = $900.00
Why, simply because some use it to decide who gets a load and who is running shag work.
Crete Carriers Math
.39 cpm X 2500 miles (average per week) = $975.00
And you get one to three loads to choose from depending on where you unload and there is no Dispatchers Math Principle used. Just deliver the freight on time in a professional manner.
I also believe that Heartland uses the same idea, but doesn't have the choice of loads. |
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LTC
Joined: 30 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 10:16 am Post subject: |
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Good Pay Reasonable miles, regular home time.
We offer all three.
One or two out of three doesn't cut it. |
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Doctor Who
Joined: 02 Dec 2002
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Location: Middlesex, North Carolina
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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This does fit with the discussion:
A recent phone conversation with a recruiter the discussion came up about how slow the day was going for him and I asked why and his reply: There?s a shortage of drivers!
This struck me kind of odd but has the day finally come that all the Doom and Gloom predictors had predicted.
After further conversation he said that a driver from another well known company said even though the recruiters company offered a couple of hundred dollars more a week he?d rather stay with his present employer. Why did this surprise him so???
Pay, home time, benefits, the three are tied for first in what a prospective driver looks for. However, it seems home time has the slight edge followed closely by pay.
It is quite possible that the truck driving population has finally had their fill of spending way too many lonely nights away from home sprinkled with a pay scale that doesn?t run concurrent with the national average?? Maybe!!!
After a little digging into a few other websites the other option to the ?I?m staying where I?m at!? attitude is the ever present risk of upsetting the soon to be ex-employer and having that employer post negative feedback on the DAC!
Beetles Dispatch pay scale pretty much sums it up as far as drivers pay goes.
Home time is a premium commodity, a real good reason for the lack luster employment picture in the industry. And just what is Excellent Home Time?? It seems just about every ad has something close to that phrase? Home time, Friday evening to Sunday afternoon, Saturday noon to Sunday noon, Saturday midnight to Sunday noon, or a variation there of. Which would it be???
Some where there is a happy medium to all this, just where and when it?ll happen remains to be seen.
Take a close look at some of the ads in the trade publications and really read them, some how ?Get miles, Get home!? doesn?t quite work in the same sentence when the company is only offering $.30 a mile for PC Miler miles.
Maybe the recruiter is correct, there is a driver shortage, it is possible the drivers have woken up and now are demanding something a whole lot better plus, fair and equal treatment. |
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LTC
Joined: 30 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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Some of us recruiters have known that for a while.
We are not all as we are so commonly described.
There are still a lot of drivers out there the problem is there are very few GOOD drivers. |
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Ironturkey
Joined: 06 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Last sep. I quit a job that paid .38mi. and moved to billings for a job that paid .20mi. The .38mi job was local/regional weekends and holidays off, and I made $700 every two weeks. With the present job I get 3000-3500mi aweek, my choice when I get in for 2 days off or the 34hr restart, company pays 100% of my families ins. premiums, $1200-$1500 every two weeks, and the boss stands behind the drivers. They'll have to pack dynamite under to get me to leave this job. And the dispatchers dont hide behind locked doors and windows, always hated that. |
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Doctor Who
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: We are not all as we are so commonly described.
And that would be?????
Quote: There are still a lot of drivers out there the problem is there are very few GOOD drivers.
And this is from a recruiter.
OK, what would draw a "GOOD" driver to your company or any company for that matter?
More money per mile? Better Hometime? A benefit package they and their families can rely on???
How about being able to do their job without the constant harassment from overzealous politicians, LEO's, and special interests?
Trust me LTC I'm not picking at you but the questions are still there. |
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hoohaa
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Could you let us know whos paying .20/mile? |
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littleman2
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| ok lets look at better wages say company H has a .44 cpm but only runs you 1500 miles a week thats the company avg. thats only 660 a week were as company xyzpdq pays .27 cpm and you get on avg. 2500 miles a week you only get 675 not much difrents there what I see is companies that say they pay high don't give miles and companies that pay low run you in to the ground. I get paid per mile plus percentage of what the route make per week. So it pays well. |
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Ironturkey
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| Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| I've worked for outfits that only pay once a month with a $750 draw in the middle of the month. Now the outfit I'm with now is Steve nelson trucking out of billings, mt.. I've made more money with this outfit than I have in the last ten yrs with anyother outfit. |
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hoohaa
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| Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Again......who's paying .20 /mile? |
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hoohaa
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| Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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littleman2 wrote: ok lets look at better wages say company H has a .44 cpm but only runs you 1500 miles a week thats the company avg. thats only 660 a week were as company xyzpdq pays .27 cpm and you get on avg. 2500 miles a week you only get 675 not much difrents there what I see is companies that say they pay high don't give miles and companies that pay low run you in to the ground. I get paid per mile plus percentage of what the route make per week. So it pays well.
Exactly.....why would you drive a 1000 miles for free? |
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sanchez498
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| Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2004 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| He is probably talking about alot of companys so called route miles they give you. Say it is 1500 miles from point A to point b where you are to deliver. That is what the company tells you. But after you drive it and look at your speedo or hub it is actually 1650. After awhile those extra add up. Alot of companys pay that so called rand mcNally miles or post office to post office crap. I have actually told a company I worked for to route me just exatually how they wanted me to go road for road tyrn for turn and I would prove there system was bad. Did that a few times and It averaged atleast 15% more than what they said and that was going by there routing. |
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kenworth75
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| Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Sanchez, did your expierement change anything? did it change the companies look at routing and milage? |
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wayne59
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| Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:57 am Post subject: |
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There is only a shortage of good drivers willing to work for crappy wages. You can quote me on that!!!
Pay enough and the rest of the problems will work themselves out. Drivers are standing in line to work for a company that will keep them on the road for a year away from their families and civilization. I'm sure there are a few that are doing it for duty and adventure, but even with those, money is a close second.
There are plenty of drivers that don't have a family. Professional Nomads. Pay them enough and you won't have to worry about job hopping.
Getting drivers back home once in a while can't be as complicated as companies make it out to be.
There are plenty of jobs besides trucking that keep you on the road and away from your family. Truck drivers don't have exclusive rights on that. But other jobs PAY. PAY PAY PAY PAY PAY PAY PAY PAY. |
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