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Orangetxguy · Joined: 23 Jan 2007 Posts: 1505

Twilight Flyer wrote: This thread has about run it's course if it doesn't move away from the playground. :roll:

Once more, if you don't understand the difference in top speed and average speed, you're never going to get it. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that even as a CPM driver, your pay is ONLY going to be effected if you can run and maintain top speed for all the time you are driving. Then, and ONLY then, would a cut in truck speed affect your pay. But none of you...NOT one of you, is running top speed 100% of the time, so therefore your argument that a speed cut of 2 mph, or 5 mph, or even 10 mph will effect your pay, is baseless.

I agree with that!! I did not read this entire thread..since I don't drive a company truck, speed has no relavance on my wage. However...I did peruse this page of the thread...and Evinrude has perplexed me with his declining wage, based on slower speed.

Evinrude wrote;
Quote: when i achieve <68 mph i get 49 cents a minute>. When i achieve 67 mph i get 48 cents a minute, When I achieve 66mph i get 47 cents per minute.....when i achieve 55 mph i get 39 cents per minute. When I am stopped i get nothing.

At 68 miles per hour (constant) you cover 68 miles. There are 60 minutes per hour (constant) so @ 49 cents per minute that puts you making : 60 X .49 = $29.40 per hour. Divide $29.40 by 68 miles, you make .4324 cents per mile. Ok...I get that. What I don't get, is why does your pay rate degrade, at slower speeds?

If your rate of pay is by the hour (an hour being 60 minutes) your rate per minute should stay constant @ 49 cents per minute. What changes should be your rate per mile, which at a slower speed, would drive your average cent per mile upwards, given that your hourly wage stays constant. So at 67 miles per hour, your rate per mile should be; 67 miles / 60 minutes = 1.117 miles per minute X .49 (cents per minute)= .5473 cents per mile, based on 67 miles per hour.

Now...if your wage fluctuates with your mileage...then you are getting hosed on your hourly rate, or you simply are not being paid a true hourly wage.

When a drivers wage is based strictly by the number of miles driven each shift, then a reduction in miles per hour (which leads to a reduction in miles per driving shift) does in fact produce a wage reduction.

At an aveage speed of 68 miles per hour, you could travel, in 11 hours, 748 miles. 748 miles at a "cent per mile wage" of 43 cents, pays out $321.64 for driving those 11 hours. That equates, on a strictly per hour basis (no overtime paid), a wage of $29.24 per hour ($321.64 / 11 hours).

If you reduce the average "Miles Per Hour" to 62 miles per hour, then 62 X 11 = 682 miles in those same 11 hours. 682 X .43 (cpm) = $293.26, over those 11 hours of driving time, which in turn becomes an hourly wage of $26.66 per hour driven.

By simple deductive reasoning....$26.66 per hour is a huge pay cut from $29.24 per hour.

Rev.Vassago · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 5402 Location: Green Bay, WI

Whammo wrote: Twilight Flyer wrote: This thread has about run it's course if it doesn't move away from the playground. :roll:

Once more, if you don't understand the difference in top speed and average speed, you're never going to get it. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that even as a CPM driver, your pay is ONLY going to be effected if you can run and maintain top speed for all the time you are driving. Then, and ONLY then, would a cut in truck speed affect your pay. But none of you...NOT one of you, is running top speed 100% of the time, so therefore your argument that a speed cut of 2 mph, or 5 mph, or even 10 mph will effect your pay, is baseless.

If you are going slower it is going to take longer to get to your destination. And time is money.

You obviously still don't get it. You aren't going slower on average, because the top speed of the truck has little to do with the average speed. :roll:

Evinrude · Joined: 10 May 2007 Posts: 355

Evinrude wrote;
Quote: when i achieve <68 mph i get 49 cents a minute>. When i achieve 67 mph i get 48 cents a minute, When I achieve 66mph i get 47 cents per minute.....when i achieve 55 mph i get 39 cents per minute. When I am stopped I get nothing.

Quote: Orangtxguy wrote
At 68 miles per hour (constant) you cover 68 miles. There are 60 minutes per hour (constant) so @ 49 cents per minute that puts you making : 60 X .49 = $29.40 per hour. Divide $29.40 by 68 miles, you make .4324 cents per mile. Ok...I get that. What I don't get, is why does your pay rate degrade, at slower speeds?

If your rate of pay is by the hour (an hour being 60 minutes) your rate per minute should stay constant @ 49 cents per minute. What changes should be your rate per mile, which at a slower speed, would drive your average cent per mile upwards, given that your hourly wage stays constant. So at 67 miles per hour, your rate per mile should be; 67 miles / 60 minutes = 1.117 miles per minute X .49 (cents per minute)= .5473 cents per mile, based on 67 miles per hour.

Now...if your wage fluctuates with your mileage...Evinrude wrote : "My Speed"
then you are getting hosed on your hourly rate, or you simply are not being paid a true hourly wage. I wish I made that per hour I would love job
When a drivers wage is based strictly by the number of miles driven each shift, then a reduction in miles per hour (which leads to a reduction in miles per driving shift) does in fact produce a wage reduction.

At an average speed of 68 miles per hour, you could travel, in 11 hours, 748 miles. 748 miles at a "cent per mile wage" of 43 cents, pays out $321.64 for driving those 11 hours. That equates, on a strictly per hour basis (no overtime paid), a wage of $29.24 per hour ($321.64 / 11 hours).

If you reduce the average "Miles Per Hour" to 62 miles per hour, then 62 X 11 = 682 miles in those same 11 hours. 682 X .43 (cpm) = $293.26, over those 11 hours of driving time, which in turn becomes an hourly wage of $26.66 per hour driven.

Ya got it :D the speed multiplied by cpm rate = what I am make in a work day 11 hours. Speed is the only variable that I can control, the faster I go the more I make, the slower I go the less I make. I never average 68 miles per hour in a day. 56mph in a real good day, but If I was reduced to 55 top speed I would probably average 47 mph x .43cpm =$20.21 per.

btw tomorrow I unload and reload and I will average 20mph for the 11 hours.

When I caculate my time at the end of each week that I was in the company truck its less than $10 per hour

Rev.Vassago · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 5402 Location: Green Bay, WI

Orangetxguy wrote:
At 68 miles per hour (constant) you cover 68 miles.

That's just it. You don't cover 68 miles in an hour with a truck that goes 68 mph. It just doesn't happen. And furthermore, you definately don't cover 748 miles in 11 hours with a truck that goes 68 mph.

Quote:

When a drivers wage is based strictly by the number of miles driven each shift, then a reduction in miles per hour (which leads to a reduction in miles per driving shift) does in fact produce a wage reduction.

Not when you are averaging it out.

Quote: At an aveage speed of 68 miles per hour, you could travel, in 11 hours, 748 miles.

How fast must a truck go to average 68 mph for 11 hours? I contend you must have a truck with a top speed of 72-75 mph to manage that, and even then it can only be done under the best of circumstances. The law of large numbers dictates that over time, fluctuations will average themselves out. Since only the top speed is affected (rather than the maximum speed and the minimum speed), the effect of reducing the top speed has less of an effect. If the minimum average speed also reduced proportionally to the top speed, then you would see a reduction in average speed in relation to the reduction in top speed. But since everything else remains constant, the average speed reduction has far less of an impact.

If a truck has a top speed of 65 mph, and averages 62 mph under ideal conditions, that same truck with a top speed of 63 mph will average nearly the same under the same conditions. This is because the truck isn't running at its top speed at all times (or hardly any of the time, in fact). If it were, then your argument would hold water. But under real-world situations, the speed of the truck isn't kept constant.

Whammo · Joined: 02 Apr 2008 Posts: 140

Rev.Vassago wrote: Whammo wrote: Twilight Flyer wrote: This thread has about run it's course if it doesn't move away from the playground. :roll:

Once more, if you don't understand the difference in top speed and average speed, you're never going to get it. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that even as a CPM driver, your pay is ONLY going to be effected if you can run and maintain top speed for all the time you are driving. Then, and ONLY then, would a cut in truck speed affect your pay. But none of you...NOT one of you, is running top speed 100% of the time, so therefore your argument that a speed cut of 2 mph, or 5 mph, or even 10 mph will effect your pay, is baseless.

If you are going slower it is going to take longer to get to your destination. And time is money.

You obviously still don't get it. You aren't going slower on average, because the top speed of the truck has little to do with the average speed. :roll:

Of course it has something to do with it, silly boy. The longer you are at your top speed, the higher your average speed will be.

BigDiesel · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject:

Chad,Col. Toon, Ron Kniesely wrote:

Of course it has something to do with it, silly boy. The longer you are at your top speed, the higher your average speed will be.

Have you learned how to complete a logbook yet ??? :lol:

Jumbo · Joined: 27 Aug 2006 Posts: 771 Location: Northern Wisconsin

If I be mean to someone can we have this thread locked?

Evinrude · Joined: 10 May 2007 Posts: 355

Jumbo wrote: If I be mean to someone can we have this thread locked?

Not until golfhobo weighs in... He should be around later, he is still trying to get some miles in, I think I seen him getting passed on I-95 northbound by a jogger.

Rev.Vassago · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 5402 Location: Green Bay, WI

Whammo wrote: Rev.Vassago wrote:
You obviously still don't get it. You aren't going slower on average, because the top speed of the truck has little to do with the average speed. :roll:

Of course it has something to do with it, silly boy. The longer you are at your top speed, the higher your average speed will be.

Hooked on Phonics offers both math and reading courses. I suggest you enroll in both.

Evinrude · Joined: 10 May 2007 Posts: 355

[quote="Rev.Vassago"][quote="Whammo"] Rev.Vassago wrote:
You obviously still don't get it. You aren't going slower on average, because the top speed of the truck has little to do with the average speed. :roll:

Rev .... there is now way a man can be that stupid, somebody got to be helping you? :wink:

Whammo · Joined: 02 Apr 2008 Posts: 140

[quote="Evinrude"][quote="Rev.Vassago"] Whammo wrote: Rev.Vassago wrote:
You obviously still don't get it. You aren't going slower on average, because the top speed of the truck has little to do with the average speed. :roll:

Rev .... there is now way a man can be that stupid, somebody got to be helping you? :wink:

I am just stunned...

Orangetxguy · Joined: 23 Jan 2007 Posts: 1505

Rev.Vassago wrote: Orangetxguy wrote:
At 68 miles per hour (constant) you cover 68 miles.

That's just it. You don't cover 68 miles in an hour with a truck that goes 68 mph. It just doesn't happen. And furthermore, you definately don't cover 748 miles in 11 hours with a truck that goes 68 mph.

Quote:

When a drivers wage is based strictly by the number of miles driven each shift, then a reduction in miles per hour (which leads to a reduction in miles per driving shift) does in fact produce a wage reduction.

Not when you are averaging it out.

Quote: At an aveage speed of 68 miles per hour, you could travel, in 11 hours, 748 miles.

How fast must a truck go to average 68 mph for 11 hours? I contend you must have a truck with a top speed of 72-75 mph to manage that, and even then it can only be done under the best of circumstances. The law of large numbers dictates that over time, fluctuations will average themselves out. Since only the top speed is affected (rather than the maximum speed and the minimum speed), the effect of reducing the top speed has less of an effect. If the minimum average speed also reduced proportionally to the top speed, then you would see a reduction in average speed in relation to the reduction in top speed. But since everything else remains constant, the average speed reduction has far less of an impact.

If a truck has a top speed of 65 mph, and averages 62 mph under ideal conditions, that same truck with a top speed of 63 mph will average nearly the same under the same conditions. This is because the truck isn't running at its top speed at all times (or hardly any of the time, in fact). If it were, then your argument would hold water. But under real-world situations, the speed of the truck isn't kept constant.

A person's driving habits are what dictates what the average mile per hour of a truck is going to be, over the course of a driving shift.

I am a driver, whom keeps the left door closed. Once I am out on the open road, I can set the cruise control at 66 mph and leave it there, until traffic dictates that it come off. On a typical day of driving, I travel 610 miles, log 10.5 hours of driving time, and stop at least 3 times for restroom breaks.

610 miles / 10.5 hours = 58 (.09) miles per hour. [I drop the .09]

610 X .43 = $262.30 / 10.5 = $24.981 per hour as a driving wage.

$262.30 / 11.25 (include 45 minutes for r&r breaks) = $23.3156 per hour.

If a driver is only allowed to log 55 mph on his book, by company policy, over the course of an 11 hour driving day, that driver can travel 605 miles. If that driver is making .365 cents per mile, then the hourly wages for that driver can be figured by doing the math.

If a driver is working on the mileage + hourly wage system...say .365 cents per mile and 13.25 per hour, then the math for an hourly wage becomes a bit more complex.

Say a "local" driver works a 14 hour day, and in the 14 hours he drives for 6 hours while receiving $13.25 per hour for 8. What average speed do you think a "local" driver can maintain? Does it matter?

For my example, I'm going to put down that the driver drove 248 miles in those 6 hours.

248 / 6 = 41.333 miles per hour

248 X .365 = $90.52 / 6 = $15.087 per hour driving.

8 (work hours) X $13.25 = $106.00

$106.00 + $90.52 = $196.52 gross for a 14 hour work day, or $14.037 per hour, without break time.

Now..let's look at a driver that makes an hourly wage with overtime.
The hourly rate is, shall we say, $26.90 per hour. The OT wage would be $40.35 per overtime hour.

For kicks and giggles, we will say that this driver drove 9 hours over the course of his or her shift, and put in 465 miles, and a total shift of 14 hours.

8 (straight time) X $26.90 = $215.20
6 (overtime) X $40.35 = $242.10

Gross wage for the 14 hour day = $457.30.

To complicate the math on this shift a bit, we will say that this driver drove 2.75 hours on OT. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

2.75 X $40.35 = $110.9625
6.25 X $26.90 = $168.125

For the 9 hours of actual driving this driver did, the gross wage is $279.0875, on 465 miles. About 60 cents per mile driven.

On the gross wage however, the mileage pay is a hair over 98 cents per mile.

For the record, both of those examples came off 2 of my pay sheets. The first example was from the local job I held here in Orange TX, with the work date being Aug 23, 2006. The second example came from my local pay in Seattle, and was dated Sept 12, 2001. I had to break down the pay for 9-12-01.

Figuring an hourly wage for a truck driver paid a "per mile" wage is complicated. And it is my personal belief that the majority of trucking compamies prefer that it remain that way.

Whammo · Joined: 02 Apr 2008 Posts: 140

Orangetxguy wrote: A person's driving habits are what dictates what the average mile per hour of a truck is going to be, over the course of a driving shift.

I am a driver, whom keeps the left door closed. Once I am out on the open road, I can set the cruise control at 66 mph and leave it there, until traffic dictates that it come off. On a typical day of driving, I travel 610 miles, log 10.5 hours of driving time, and stop at least 3 times for restroom breaks.

610 miles / 10.5 hours = 58 (.09) miles per hour. [I drop the .09]

610 X .43 = $262.30 / 10.5 = $24.981 per hour as a driving wage.

$262.30 / 11.25 (include 45 minutes for r&r breaks) = $23.3156 per hour.

If a driver is only allowed to log 55 mph on his book, by company policy, over the course of an 11 hour driving day, that driver can travel 605 miles. If that driver is making .365 cents per mile, then the hourly wages for that driver can be figured by doing the math.

If a driver is working on the mileage + hourly wage system...say .365 cents per mile and 13.25 per hour, then the math for an hourly wage becomes a bit more complex.

Say a "local" driver works a 14 hour day, and in the 14 hours he drives for 6 hours while receiving $13.25 per hour for 8. What average speed do you think a "local" driver can maintain? Does it matter?

For my example, I'm going to put down that the driver drove 248 miles in those 6 hours.

248 / 6 = 41.333 miles per hour

248 X .365 = $90.52 / 6 = $15.087 per hour driving.

8 (work hours) X $13.25 = $106.00

$106.00 + $90.52 = $196.52 gross for a 14 hour work day, or $14.037 per hour, without break time.

Now..let's look at a driver that makes an hourly wage with overtime.
The hourly rate is, shall we say, $26.90 per hour. The OT wage would be $40.35 per overtime hour.

For kicks and giggles, we will say that this driver drove 9 hours over the course of his or her shift, and put in 465 miles, and a total shift of 14 hours.

8 (straight time) X $26.90 = $215.20
6 (overtime) X $40.35 = $242.10

Gross wage for the 14 hour day = $457.30.

To complicate the math on this shift a bit, we will say that this driver drove 2.75 hours on OT. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

2.75 X $40.35 = $110.9625
6.25 X $26.90 = $168.125

For the 9 hours of actual driving this driver did, the gross wage is $279.0875, on 465 miles. About 60 cents per mile driven.

On the gross wage however, the mileage pay is a hair over 98 cents per mile.

For the record, both of those examples came off 2 of my pay sheets. The first example was from the local job I held here in Orange TX, with the work date being Aug 23, 2006. The second example came from my local pay in Seattle, and was dated Sept 12, 2001. I had to break down the pay for 9-12-01.

Figuring an hourly wage for a truck driver paid a "per mile" wage is complicated. And it is my personal belief that the majority of trucking compamies prefer that it remain that way.

These fellas can't wrap their heads around "driving slower means driving longer", you think your detailed math is gonna help them? You are using strange voodoo to them (like division and multiplication).

I think a few heads are gonna explode. Look at BigDiesel's head, it already looks like 10 pounds of meat in a 5 pound bag.

bulldog otis · Joined: 13 May 2008 Posts: 1 Location: Rincon, Ga

I drive for Schneider, our trucks for single company drivers are now 60 mph

BIG JEEP on 44's · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 4:59 pm Post subject:

My truck doeas 75mmp and when i see the a Werner truck Clad with 500k-million mile stickers I'll pass and drop back to 62-63 wait to see directional ,and bump cruise 2x then go a mile or so and decel back top 62-63 ...if road is fairly empty I'll do this a few times then let Werner almost pass and then kick back up to 75 ...I reserve this childish behavior for 500k -1 million milers ...Because these drivers are not rookies just getting their time in and moving ,but die hard Werner company drivers ...It's a guilty pleasure ,and childish ...And I'm sure I'm going to he!! for it , but it sure is fun .

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