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furbis
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject: glider kit |
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| has anyone built a glider kit? can you buy them from pete or freightliner or are the dealer only items? does kenworth make a glider kit? |
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headborg
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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I've heard the term used on XM radio- the Kevin Rutherford- Business Trucking and Beyond show--- Freighliner & KW I believe were the two dealers talked about with that "kit" as a option for improving fuel mileage & improved aerodynamics....hence "gliding"...
so much for that B.S.-- that's not what a glider kit is at all-- don't see what rebuilding an entire truck from salvaged trucks have anything to do with gliding.... wouldn't think that would be a dealer endeavor.. |
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marylandkw
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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headborg wrote: I've heard the term used on XM radio- the Kevin Rutherford- Business Trucking and Beyond show--- Freighliner & KW I believe were the two dealers talked about with that "kit" as a option for improving fuel mileage & improved aerodynamics....hence "gliding"... Thats why I like you headborg, you always provide such good information. :lol: :lol:
Any dealer will sell you a glider, or any portion of a truck you wish to tackle. With or without rears etc. I have never and will never even consider building a glider but might consider buying one already put together as I believe you can avoid a big chunk of the FET. But I would want to make sure it had one heck of a good warranty. |
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headborg
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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marylandkw wrote: headborg wrote: I've heard the term used on XM radio- the Kevin Rutherford- Business Trucking and Beyond show--- Freighliner & KW I believe were the two dealers talked about with that "kit" as a option for improving fuel mileage & improved aerodynamics....hence "gliding"... Thats why I like you headborg, you always provide such good information. :lol: :lol:
Any dealer will sell you a glider, or any portion of a truck you wish to tackle. With or without rears etc. I have never and will never even consider building a glider but might consider buying one already put together as I believe you can avoid a big chunk of the FET. But I would want to make sure it had one heck of a good warranty.
yeah, rub it in....rub it in...but you know -- Kevin on XM is also a big believer in Turbo3000 too----
at least I didn't try to "edit" that out-----to cover for obvious ignorance. |
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headborg
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| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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hey, maybe instead of calling it a "glider kit" they could call it the:
"honey, Maybe I should have had a mechanic install that Power Inverter" kit |
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Maniac
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| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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A glider kit is ordered as a part from the dealer, you can spec it any way you want, with or without any components, engine trans rears etc.
A glider kit will have a "G" after the serial number and cannot be sold without anyone knowing what it is.
Because a glider is a special order it requires a hefty up front cash deposit, and there is NO financing on a glider, because it is sold as a part, it has to be paid in full.
A friend of mine and my self did a Pete in 2000, it came with the rears, we put in the engine and trans, etc, I cant remember the exact cost, burt he was in it for around $80,000 when it was done, in 2000 he could have bought new for around $100,000 and got a warranty, the glider had NO warranty, except on the rears which because the are rebuilds and not new was one year, unlimited miles. |
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furbis
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| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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| thanks for the info, the reason I ask about them is we just got back our 97 379 that was involved in an accident 3 1/2 yrs ago and although the tractor is pretty messed up I'm pretty sure the motor, trans and rears are still usable with 500,000 miles on them. my other thought was that by building the glider kit with a 97 c-15 you could have a 2008 truck with an older motor without all the emission crap on it. or does the gov make you have a emmission compliant engine in a truck thats titled 2008? |
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marylandkw
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| furbis wrote: does the gov make you have a emmission compliant engine in a truck thats titled 2008? Pretty sure they don't care. I have seen a few 08' trucks on truckpaper that are gliders with new motors already installed. I think it might be some kind of work around FET as well but don't quote me. |
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Jumbo
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| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| I knew of one company by me that up until 5 or 6 years ago they assembled there own glider kits. They reused suspensions from wrecked or burned trucks and trucks they put together 10 years ago are still around and running. They sometimes bought rebuilt engines or transmissions depending on what they needed to make the truck complete. They even drilled the holes in the frame rails to fit whatever suspension they were putting under it. Meaning sometimes they had a Pete suspension under an International truck. |
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headborg
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| Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:30 am Post subject: |
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Jumbo wrote: I knew of one company by me that up until 5 or 6 years ago they assembled there own glider kits. They reused suspensions from wrecked or burned trucks and trucks they put together 10 years ago are still around and running. They sometimes bought rebuilt engines or transmissions depending on what they needed to make the truck complete. They even drilled the holes in the frame rails to fit whatever suspension they were putting under it. Meaning sometimes they had a Pete suspension under an International truck.
yeah, sounds like a good way to keep Shop personnel busy on those ---slow days. |
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Maniac
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| Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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The emissions would only have to meet the standards for the engine year, not the year of the kit.
There is NO F.E.T. on a glider either.
Its a lot of work though, for an individual that doesn't have access to shop facilities. |
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Jumbo
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| Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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headborg wrote: Jumbo wrote: I knew of one company by me that up until 5 or 6 years ago they assembled there own glider kits. They reused suspensions from wrecked or burned trucks and trucks they put together 10 years ago are still around and running. They sometimes bought rebuilt engines or transmissions depending on what they needed to make the truck complete. They even drilled the holes in the frame rails to fit whatever suspension they were putting under it. Meaning sometimes they had a Pete suspension under an International truck.
yeah, sounds like a good way to keep Shop personnel busy on those ---slow days.
Just one mechanic and his helper. It would take six moths to build one but all the electrical and air lines were run the way they should have been. When he was done you could never tell it was a glider unless you saw him building it. |
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burgerbritches
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 6:35 am Post subject: TN location for gliderkit |
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http://www.fitzgeraldgliderkits.com/
Pete's and Freightliner's |
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Larry Heyns
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| Jim Westlake, executive director of the American Truck Dealers, was quoted in Transport Topics Equipment & Maintenance Update May/June 2008. He said that two factors determine whether a glider is exempt from the 12% retail sales tax. First, the cost of the glider cannot be more than 75% of the cost of an equivalent new truck. Second, two of the three primary drivetrain components must have come from another vehicle the user already owned. Restoring wrecks is not a taxable event. But if a customer were to take a glider kit without an engine in it and "cherry-pick" parts on his own, then that is by definition by the IRS, creating a new taxable article. |
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Larry Heyns
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| The previously mentioned Equipment & Maintenance article reported that one producer estimates gliders cost $40,000 less than an equivalent new truck, and can save a typical user more than $30,000 in annual fuel costs by running older engines that still get up to seven miles per gallon compared to 5.5 mph for newer engines. The 2002 engines are the best in terms of fuel mileage and longevity. |
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