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kc0iv
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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Manicmechnic wrote:
(H.R. 4908 and S. 2898) requires employers to notify all new employees when they are hired as to the electronic monitoring policy of the company. his notice must be renewed annually and when there is a change in the company policy. The notification must be concise as to the type, frequency, method and use of the monitoring. Employees have the right to sue their employers for a violation and can collect damages per employee and per incident.
H.R. 4908 and S. 2898 has nothing to do with GPS monitoring. The bills had to do with the disclosure of electronic monitoring of employee communications and computer usage in the workplace.
I might also add this bill H.R. 4908 died along with the Senate S. 2898. These two bills were introduced in 2000. And as any bill that does not pass the two chambers are cleared from the books. See: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h106-4908
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Manicmechnic
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:55 am Post subject: How do you ask officially without getting fired? |
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Forget what I belive to be wrong.
How do you ask officially without getting fired?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? |
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Malaki86
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:19 am Post subject: |
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| What EXACTLY are you wanting to ask them about? GPS tracking, automatic electronic logbooks (like werner uses), etc? |
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kc0iv
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:26 am Post subject: Re: How do you ask officially without getting fired? |
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Manicmechnic wrote: Forget what I belive to be wrong.
How do you ask officially without getting fired??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
If you think they, the company, are doing something illegal then as I said before discuss this with an attorney. He/She will inform you what they can and can not do.
What you have said so far I don't see where the company is doing anything illegal.
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Manicmechnic
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:30 am Post subject: Re: How do you ask officially without getting fired? |
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kc0iv wrote: Manicmechnic wrote: Forget what I belive to be wrong.
How do you ask officially without getting fired??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
If you think they, the company, are doing something illegal then as I said before discuss this with an attorney. He/She will inform you what they can and can not do.
What you have said so far I don't see where the company is doing anything illegal.
kc0iv I did take the free consult, He said he would have to look into it further at a cost.
I am looking for a official responce.
As I siad before I don't have a problem with XATA, Qualcom or other that comply to 395.15
It is the "SNITCH BOX" I have a problem with. "If" they start handing out tickets and shorting my pay.
I have read many times when people were shorted pay and writen up. It is not a perfect world things happen. [Good example] = tracking freezes in CT and then decides to work in NJ that trip took you 45 minuts and 36 miles you get paid for. And wonder why you where shorted pay? :roll: And don't be suprized when you are fired becuase you allegaly up the speed. |
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Myth_Buster
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: I did take the free consult, He said he would have to look into it further at a cost.
I am looking for a official responce.
As I siad before I don't have a problem with XATA, Qualcom or other that comply to 395.15
It is the "SNITCH BOX" I have a problem with. "If" they start handing out tickets and shorting my pay.
I have read many times when people were shorted pay and writen up. It is not a perfect world things happen. [Good example] = tracking freezes in CT and then decides to work in NJ that trip took you 45 minuts and 36 miles you get paid for. And wonder why you where shorted pay? And don't be suprized when you are fired becuase you allegaly up the speed.
ECM (electronic control module) engines have had the ability to record your speed, breaking action, hours of driving, and idling for years. GPS (global positioning systems) are used to track a vehicle's movements. Any company that uses Qualcomm has GPS. GPS can be used to assist a driver in avoiding traffic jams, find addresses, and map the shortest route from point A to B.
Most carriers use GPS for customer service. Too many drivers have indicated they were 15 minutes away when they were actually 100 miles away. The GPS tells the rest of the story.
The FMCSA can use elctronic data to compare against driver's logs to ensure the log is true and correct.
Most carriers pay by a mapping program, by shortest miles. Some pay by the old HHG Movers Guide. Most mapping programs are 5 - 6% short, the HHG is 10 - 12% short.
Not many companies pay hub miles.
Companies may penalize drivers for HOS violations provided there is a written policy.
GPS is separate from Electronic OBRs.
The attached link has all of the local field offices, they may ask your name so they have a record of the call. However, chances are they'll just answer your question.
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/about/contact/offices/displayfieldroster.asp
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kc0iv
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: How do you ask officially without getting fired? |
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Manicmechnic wrote: I did take the free consult, He said he would have to look into it further at a cost.
I am looking for a official responce.
As I siad before I don't have a problem with XATA, Qualcom or other that comply to 395.15
It is the "SNITCH BOX" I have a problem with. "If" they start handing out tickets and shorting my pay.
I have read many times when people were shorted pay and writen up. It is not a perfect world things happen. [Good example] = tracking freezes in CT and then decides to work in NJ that trip took you 45 minuts and 36 miles you get paid for. And wonder why you where shorted pay? :roll: And don't be suprized when you are fired becuase you allegaly up the speed.
Since no one on this forum can give you an official response I'd say you have one of two choices. (1) Pay an attorney or (2) Talk to the company.
If I had to guess I'd guess there is nothing illegal about the company installing a "SNITCH BOX" as you call it. The one thing a company can NOT do is give you a ticket. Ticket are given by law enforcement not companies.
If you are not a union employee a company an terninate you for any reason or no reason. You are employed at what the law call an "at will" employee.
The balance of your post make no sense.
If you don't like the way a company is treating you I would suggest you find another company.
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Myth_Buster
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Quote: Since no one on this forum can give you an official response I'd say you have one of two choices. (1) Pay an attorney or (2) Talk to the company.
No answer is ever official regardless of who offers the opinion. The interpretations offer guidance and set a legal precedence for judges and attorneys to make an informed decision for the matter before them. Each case is different as there are different conditions that led to the violation. Culpability is a crucial issue, one judge may say guilty while the next says case dismissed and the next judge says not guilty the three decisions have different consequences.
Quote: If I had to guess I'd guess there is nothing illegal about the company installing a "SNITCH BOX" as you call it. The one thing a company can NOT do is give you a ticket. Ticket are given by law enforcement not companies.
While carriers cannot write tickets some carriers do collect penalties for failing to follow company policy. Is it legal for carriers to collect penalties? I don't know the driver would have to consult an attorney.
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Fozzy
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Myth_Buster wrote: While carriers cannot write tickets some carriers do collect penalties for failing to follow company policy. Is it legal for carriers to collect penalties? I don't know the driver would have to consult an attorney.
Be safe.
IF you agree to this when you hire on, the carrier can charge you for whatever you agree to. If you are not following company policy and have agree to their terms, then you have no right to complain about this in any way..especially if you do something expressly against company policy. Companies cannot make a driver pay for actual damages to equipment for example, but they CAN lower the rate of pay to the driver or can lay the driver off for a few days OR can terminate the driver.
I've been running these systems for awhile now.. most of this stuff you are worried about are just plain myth and hysteria. |
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Manicmechnic
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| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:37 am Post subject: You can't always trust your GPS gadget. |
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GPS NEWS
The ionosphere and how it relates to the atmosphere.
by Staff Writers
Washington DC (SPX) Jun 10, 2008
As scientists have long known, perplexing electrical activity in the upper atmospheric zone called the ionosphere can tamper with signals from GPS satellites.
Now, new research and monitoring systems are clarifying what happens to disruptive clouds of electrons and other electrically charged particles, known as ions, in the ionosphere. The work may lead to regional predictions of reduced GPS reliability and accuracy.
One team of researchers has recently observed Earth's aurora, which is a prominent manifestation of ionospheric electrical activity, in the act of disrupting GPS equipment. Other scientists have successfully tested a way to forecast GPS disturbances for marine users, with likely extension to users on land.
Some research groups are turning the tables and employing GPS receivers as tools with which to conduct basic research on the electrical-current structures of the ionosphere.
The scientific reports on these and other recent developments are available in a special section of Space Weather: The International Journal of Research and Applications, a publication of the American Geophysical Union, or AGU.
A magazine-style article that introduces the section was posted online Friday, June 6. It summarizes past research and operational developments regarding ionospheric effects on GPS, and discusses potential future improvements in the field. |
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