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Bobby
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| Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject: What brand filters do you like, and why ? |
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| Also, do any of you run additional filters ( fuel or oil ) from what came stock on the engine ? |
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Rev.Vassago
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| Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:07 am Post subject: |
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| Fleetguard. You get what you pay for. :wink: |
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bob h
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| Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:33 am Post subject: Re: What brand filters do you like, and why ? |
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Bobby wrote: Also, do any of you run additional filters ( fuel or oil ) from what came stock on the engine ?
IMO;
Cat engine? ... Cat filters.
Detroit engine? ... DDC filters.
Cummins engine? ... Fleetguard filters.
I am of the belief that if more filtration was required for the engine, it would be required by the manufacturer .... can't see them skipping out on something that they have to provide warranty on.
Any filtration problems I've ever encountered working as a technician were NOT related to lack of additional filtration, it's always an issue of not following the base recommendations for filtration. Eg - plugged filters from lack of maintenance, or misapplication of filters due to selecting the "cheap" filters off the shelf that "fit". |
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Bobby
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| Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:47 am Post subject: |
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Fleetguard is what I've been using, or the Kenworth dealer has been installing. I just want what's best, hence the question.
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Bobby
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| Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:58 am Post subject: |
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Yes, it's an 2001 C15. I've had it serviced at the KW dealer and they do have Cat filters, I guess I'll have to request them.
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watevr777
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Location: Louisiana
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| Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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lets see
Cat are made by wix
Detroit ------fleetgaurd or donalson ....can't remember
Cummins
Basically they all meet the Manufacures Requirements and cannot force you to use a certian brand
Like
Rev said you get what you pay for |
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Maniac
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| Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: Basically they all meet the Manufacures Requirements and cannot force you to use a certian brand
While this is true I know that Cat will stand behind their filter if it causes an engine problem, where as if you put a Fleetgaurd or Wix on a Cat they (Cat) will NOT stand behind it.
And you DON'T have to use the manufacturers filter or anything else they sell. |
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bcbasher
Joined: 11 Jun 2006
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Location: Battle Creek Michigan
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| Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| fleetgard on my cummins. that's whats always been ran on it and that's what i plan on running on it. do the job very well i have never had a problem with them. |
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bob h
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| Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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Bobby wrote: Fleetguard is what I've been using, or the Kenworth dealer has been installing. I just want what's best, hence the question.
Thanks
if you're running cummins, you have the best ;0) |
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Buzzard 21
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I know for a fact that Caterpillar filters are not made by Wix. Cat owns a filter plant that is called AFSI. "Advanced Filtration Systems Inc" The best way I have seen to compare filters go get one of each and cut them apart and just see for yourself. Donaldson used to make some of their filters but WIX has never been involved with Cat's filters. |
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Bobby
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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Buzzard 21 wrote: I know for a fact that Caterpillar filters are not made by Wix. Cat owns a filter plant that is called AFSI. "Advanced Filtration Systems Inc" The best way I have seen to compare filters go get one of each and cut them apart and just see for yourself. Donaldson used to make some of their filters but WIX has never been involved with Cat's filters.
Yes, I did a web search, and AFSI is owned by Cat partnered with Donaldson. About all they make, 92%, is Cat filters.
Also, Cummins now owns Fleetguard. |
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Birken Vogt
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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I generally use Fleetguard and have found they are usually cheaper than comparable Wix or NAPA, and reputedly better.
Birken |
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bob h
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| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:24 am Post subject: |
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watevr777 wrote: lets see
Cat are made by wix
Detroit ------fleetgaurd or donalson ....can't remember
Cummins
Basically they all meet the Manufacures Requirements and cannot force you to use a certian brand
Like
Rev said you get what you pay for
cat's IS NOT made by wix, they make their own filters.
detroit filters are certainly NOT built by cummins (fleetguard). |
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Bobby
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I put Cat filters on this last service. They were a little more but not that much...about $15/20 more for all 3 filters over the Fleetguards.
I did see a display compairing Cat filters to every other brand at the dealer.
They had them all cut open to show how their made. The Cat use a nylon center that the oil/fuel flows thru, The others all use a stamped tin center. Their thinking is " no chance of metal contamination w/nylon.
They also have nylon rings around the paper element to keep it spaced evenly so it won't bunch up, none of the other filters did this either.
There were other differance too, but overall IMO they were trying to make a better filter. |
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Birken Vogt
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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Nylon center is also cheaper for them to make but of course they are not going to tell you that nor are they going to pass it on to you...as with all information consider the source and their motivations....
Birken |
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