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matcat



Joined: 09 Sep 2007
Posts: 385
Location: Sumter, SC

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:20 am    Post subject: Still around and looking  

Well after swift fired me, I've been quite busy trying to find another OTR job, everyone wants to see a few months clean driving after that accident, but how the heck you do that if no one hires you?! Well I've been checking out some local gigs, and quickly find out almost all require you to have your own state issued copy of mvr, so I went and got a copy, and to my surprise the accident nor the ticket are listed on there, and its been over a month! (Note this is actual Motor Vehicle Report, not DAC report), 10yr history, with not a single thing on it but license issue dates and my address, and no reported anythings. There is a local company that does roll off office trailers that I have a chance with, and I do believe they go past 100 mile air radius, so I would have to log, so my question is, should I apply for this job and not say anything about the accident/ticket, or should I tell them about it, even though my MVR is completely clean, and if I didn't tell them, how do I explain why Swift let me go... I would rather be honest, but I can't even get a job delivering pizzas being honest... This is a really good piece of advice for all you new drivers, NEVER have a rear ender accident, no matter how minor it is, for those that do not know my situation, I had a minor rear ender in dense fog, and swift didn't fire me until 3 weeks after it happened (And I really don't think they where going to either, but I think once fuel got $4+ they decided to look for ends to cut).

Suffice it to say, I learned my lesson, but there has to be a way to get back to work, I didn't go thru all that work to get my CDL, then put 6 months in OTR to just be shutdown over a single mistake...
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Jumbo



Joined: 27 Aug 2006
Posts: 771
Location: Northern Wisconsin

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:27 am    Post subject:  

I sure wouldn't lie. Why take that chance of them finding out and canning your ass. Then the next job you apply for that is following you.
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jw6831



Joined: 03 Jan 2008
Posts: 68
Location: North Carolina

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:36 am    Post subject:  

Well most co., will pull your DAC report, so even if your mvr is clean, it will show up on your DAC, like they told you, it's better to be up front, it hurts but, best to be honest, it's a co. out there somewhere, to give you another chance, LOL
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GMAN



Joined: 13 Feb 2005
Posts: 9393
Location: Tennessee

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:00 am    Post subject:  

It can take time for tickets to get on your MVR. While it may not be on you record now, it may show up next year. Motor carriers and/or insurance companies will pull your MVR annually. I had a driver who is no longer with me who got a ticket not long before he left. My insurance company told me that had he still been with me my insurance premiums would have been higher. They pull an MVR each year on me and all my drivers before quoting a new premium.
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Uturn2001



Joined: 10 Jan 2005
Posts: 4623
Location: East Central IL between the corn and the beans

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:26 am    Post subject:  

Yes, you need to come clean about all traffic convictions and accidents to all employers you apply to. It can take up to 90 days for out of state citations to show on your MVR, and if you do not let a potential employer know about it ahead of time they will find out sooner or later anyway and you will either not get the job or fired for lying on your job application.
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BigDiesel



Joined: 01 Apr 2007
Posts: 922
Location: Space... The Final Frontier

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:01 pm    Post subject:  

Hmmmmmm....... can't get a job due to plowing into someone while playing with video camera and not paying attention while operating a 80k CMV.... and now whining about it..... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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matcat



Joined: 09 Sep 2007
Posts: 385
Location: Sumter, SC

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:49 pm    Post subject:  

BigDiesel wrote: Hmmmmmm....... can't get a job due to plowing into someone while playing with video camera and not paying attention while operating a 80k CMV.... and now whining about it..... :lol: :lol: :lol:
Well this has all been addressed in the original post about the accident, so I don't want to hear it, plus there is no whining here.
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moose81



Joined: 26 Nov 2006
Posts: 25
Location: ohio

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:14 pm    Post subject:  

Don't give up. If you want to drive keep filling out apps and making phone calls, I would also add be HONEST. I have had some recent mvr issues and am starting with a company on monday maybe not the greatest but..
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got mud?



Joined: 27 May 2006
Posts: 243

Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:12 pm    Post subject:  

have you tried swift? they will hire anyone :oops: oh wait never mind. no really will prime lease you a truck?

(just had to bust your balls a little :lol: )

like everyone said be honest and you are bound to find someone out there. you might see if going through a refresher course will help out with some of the companies.
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bigtimba



Joined: 10 Sep 2006
Posts: 170

Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:12 am    Post subject: In your defense . .  

. . I wish there was a way guys like you could sue Swift for your rotten training. Your arrogant defense of your senseless crash convinced me that you truly believed, at the time at least, that you had done nothing wrong. That is a product of poor training. I am one of those guys everyone complains is going too slow when I can't see the truck 50 yards ahead of me. The bottom line is that I had two very good trainers.

Wherever you wind up, ask them to make it a condition of your employment that you spend a little time with their most consciencious trainer and try to develop a few basic skills that will keep you and me alive.

I'm not picking on you but it is quite evident you need to be trained as you lack sufficient common sense to back off and slow down in the fog on your own. A good trainer can fix that problem. Don't feel bad . . there are plenty more like you out there. I just hope I get to them before they get to me.
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rumbarrel



Joined: 21 Feb 2008
Posts: 13

Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:54 pm    Post subject:  

Hey Matt...........sorry to hear that you lost your job. It sure seemed like you were enjoying it !! Hang in there.....keep trying....there has to be a company that can use you.

Well, I have finally made the decision to go for it. I start training for my CDL on APR. 14. I am scared sh--tless, but WTH...... you gotta just go for it sometimes. I've heard somewhere that it is tougher to KEEP a CDL than to GET one. I plan on working real hard to protect my CDL when I get it. Have a perfect MVR right now, and I hope to be able to keep it that way. 5 week course, so I should be OTR with a trainer, hopefully, by late MAY. Haven't decided which company to go with yet, but there are a couple of companies at the top of the list. (Swift isn't one of them)

So anyway, here goes another mid-life crisis career change. :shock:

Anyway, back to you..........IMO you should be totally honest from this point forward......make sure when you talk to perspective employers that you are up front with them and show sincerity when you tell them that you made a dumb mistake BUT you learned a BIG lesson that you KNOW will help you to continue your career when you DO find a company that is kind enough to give you a second chance. :)
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matcat



Joined: 09 Sep 2007
Posts: 385
Location: Sumter, SC

Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:06 pm    Post subject: Re: In your defense . .  

bigtimba wrote: . . I wish there was a way guys like you could sue Swift for your rotten training. Your arrogant defense of your senseless crash convinced me that you truly believed, at the time at least, that you had done nothing wrong. That is a product of poor training. I am one of those guys everyone complains is going too slow when I can't see the truck 50 yards ahead of me. The bottom line is that I had two very good trainers.

Wherever you wind up, ask them to make it a condition of your employment that you spend a little time with their most consciencious trainer and try to develop a few basic skills that will keep you and me alive.

I'm not picking on you but it is quite evident you need to be trained as you lack sufficient common sense to back off and slow down in the fog on your own. A good trainer can fix that problem. Don't feel bad . . there are plenty more like you out there. I just hope I get to them before they get to me.

Well here is the thing, I believe I had fairly descent training, and my OTR trainer was quite awesome and taught me a lot (30yrs experience and O/O for most of it), believe me swift drills sight distance probably harder then anything, and really I chalk my mistake more so to newbie inexperience then anything, at the speed I was going, I could of avoided the accident had I been a lot heavyer, and also I shouldn't of slammed on the brakes either being as light as I was, I should of just went for a quick lane change (I did look in my mirrors too to make sure it was clear, because I tried to slam brakes + make lane change), do I think swift has poor training, yeah at some of their schools, but not all of them, the one I went to has the best statistics of all of the swift schools because they do not have third party licensing rights (Too new of a school to obtain it) so they make you go to your state to do the road test at actual DMV, so it's a bit more strict. A hard way to learn a lesson yeah. And I would be more then willing to go out with the best of a companies trainer if need be, I would even be willing to do a refresher course (except for the fact I can't afford it right now)
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Orangetxguy



Joined: 23 Jan 2007
Posts: 1505

Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:02 pm    Post subject: Re: In your defense . .  

matcat wrote: bigtimba wrote: . . I wish there was a way guys like you could sue Swift for your rotten training. Your arrogant defense of your senseless crash convinced me that you truly believed, at the time at least, that you had done nothing wrong. That is a product of poor training. I am one of those guys everyone complains is going too slow when I can't see the truck 50 yards ahead of me. The bottom line is that I had two very good trainers.

Wherever you wind up, ask them to make it a condition of your employment that you spend a little time with their most consciencious trainer and try to develop a few basic skills that will keep you and me alive.

I'm not picking on you but it is quite evident you need to be trained as you lack sufficient common sense to back off and slow down in the fog on your own. A good trainer can fix that problem. Don't feel bad . . there are plenty more like you out there. I just hope I get to them before they get to me.

Well here is the thing, I believe I had fairly descent training, and my OTR trainer was quite awesome and taught me a lot (30yrs experience and O/O for most of it), believe me swift drills sight distance probably harder then anything, and really I chalk my mistake more so to newbie inexperience then anything, at the speed I was going, I could of avoided the accident had I been a lot heavyer, and also I shouldn't of slammed on the brakes either being as light as I was, I should of just went for a quick lane change (I did look in my mirrors too to make sure it was clear, because I tried to slam brakes + make lane change), do I think swift has poor training, yeah at some of their schools, but not all of them, the one I went to has the best statistics of all of the swift schools because they do not have third party licensing rights (Too new of a school to obtain it) so they make you go to your state to do the road test at actual DMV, so it's a bit more strict. A hard way to learn a lesson yeah. And I would be more then willing to go out with the best of a companies trainer if need be, I would even be willing to do a refresher course (except for the fact I can't afford it right now)


Yeah...that is the solution to the problem!!! You shoulda flipped that steering wheel real quick and changed lanes !! :lol: :lol: :lol: Then you woulda not only have clipped the back of the trailer you were going to hit anyway, woulda laid your unit over on it's left side, gotten to slide down the road a little way's with your head inches from asphalt...and maybe had some speedballer just like yourself slam into you while you were doing all of that !!!


Why the heck wasn't I taught that, as the proper way of controling my vehicle???? :shock:
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headborg



Joined: 06 Nov 2007
Posts: 1102

Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:12 pm    Post subject:  

matcat wrote: BigDiesel wrote: Hmmmmmm....... can't get a job due to plowing into someone while playing with video camera and not paying attention while operating a 80k CMV.... and now whining about it..... :lol: :lol: :lol:
Well this has all been addressed in the original post about the accident, so I don't want to hear it, plus there is no whining here.

I would hope you didn't give away that video- or put it on YouTube- there are trucking companies which would probably PAY you for copies of that video-- to show their drivers what NOT to DO while driving... there are also probably safety groups/orgs that might pay you to take your video and your experience to local High Schools and do siminars on how you "screwed up and don't be like me" type lectures for driver's ed.

As long as YOU and others learn from the mistake-- there's real $$$ value in it. Trust me, seems like the last two trucking companies I've worked for-- both of the Safety Directors are total alcoholics with restricted driver's licences(can only drive to and from work) and are running the Safety department( so there's proof there's employment options out there)
you never know, maybe one day---YOU"LL be a safety director at a major trucking company.
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Cripplecreek



Joined: 08 Oct 2005
Posts: 178
Location: Clearwater, FL

Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:14 pm    Post subject:  

I feel your pain man, Swift seems to have put an end to my career as well, although I didn't have an accident. I hopped off the truck and greydogged it home and Swift is saying that I abandoned a load even though my trainer was an azzclown and was with the truck, it ain't my load, it ain't my truck, is what I say. I applied at Werner a couple months later and they turned me down :sad: .
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