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rank
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Actually I lied above. $1.88 is for trucks, trailers and drivers. So I guess my answer to your question is ~.70/mile + trailer, driver, WSIB & Dh miles. |
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Orangetxguy
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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2 wrote: SteveBooth wrote: Sorry there #2 but what your asking is for someone to write a freaking book in response to your request.
All your questions have been answered already in this forum by doing some searching. They may not be the right answers but will give you the knowledge to formulate your own conclusions. Thanks, Steve, but I think I have a better idea than most. At least the ones running under a carrier's authroity.
The thread was a reflection of all the doom and gloom threads about rates, volumes, ect., that are on the board, right now.
A lot of folks plan their effort at around 2,500 miles a week, 6 mpg. Current conditions point out the fallacy of trying to plan so close.
I'm led to believe that the head count of O/O's, shrinks every year.
There is a lot more than retirement, that is causing the shrinkage.
2...What is your definition of an Owner Operator? I have noticed that lot's of people whom are registered and operate under their own USDOT/MC number call themselves Owner-Operators.
Take Steve Booth, Big Diesel and Rank for example. Steve and Big Diesel are American, operating under their own USDOT authority, with their own UCR registrations, permits, insurances, and MC150 agents, etc. Rank is Canadian, working basicly the same way Steve and Big D do, under his own authorities, insurance and plate registration. They are, legally "Motor Carriers" not "Owner-Operators".
Now...Rev, Mike3 and I are Owner-Operators. Rev is now leased into Landstar, operating under Landstars authorities, insurances and permits.
Mike3 is leased into Dana-Suttles, operating under their authorities, permits, insurances, etc. I am leased into Miller Transporters, and again, operating under their authorities, permits, insurances, etc.
Rev, has the flexability to choose what he does, where he goes, and how much he does. Mike3 and I also have some flexability, but nothing like Rev has. Mike3 has dispatchers he must deal with on each load he pulls, as do I. Mike3 may be able to contact his shippers and receivers once assigned a load, I do not. Mike and I each have the ability to reject loads..but that can only be pushed so far...at least in my case.
So..there we are. Three "Motor Carriers" and three "Owner-Operators". Yet..Steve, Big D& Rank, consider themselves O/O's, just like Mike, Rev & I. |
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BOOM
Joined: 07 Jan 2008
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Location: JACKSONVILLE, FL
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| So what type of frieght do each of them haul? |
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SteveBooth
Joined: 18 May 2005
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:20 am Post subject: |
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BOOM wrote: So what type of frieght do each of them haul?
I haul anything that will fit on a flatbed except onions and oversize. |
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RostyC
Joined: 21 Oct 2005
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Location: Maryland
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:47 am Post subject: |
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Quote: I haul anything that will fit on a flatbed except onions and oversize.
Yeah, Steve puts the onions IN the cab with him. :lol: :lol: |
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Fredog
Joined: 23 Apr 2005
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Location: North Georgia
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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SteveBooth wrote: BOOM wrote: So what type of frieght do each of them haul?
I haul anything that will fit on a flatbed except onions and oversize.
what about oversize onions?? |
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geomon
Joined: 13 Jul 2005
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Location: Sacramento, CA
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: what about oversize onions??
:lol: |
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SteveBooth
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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You guys are all bone heads!!! lol
I did put a bag of onions in my cab. HUGE mistake. |
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Doghouse
Joined: 21 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| More this week than last week :cry: |
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Heavy Duty
Joined: 04 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Dog Where you hiding at? |
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Them Other Truckrz
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Yup, it's still the million dollar question with a million dollar answer, guess the settlement + & - is really the only way to gauge that elusive cost per mile to run our rig.... |
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SteveBooth
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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Doghouse wrote: More this week than last week :cry:
What does that mean? More trouble? |
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Joined: 07 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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Rev.Vassago wrote: 2 wrote: A lot of folks plan their effort at around 2,500 miles a week, 6 mpg. Current conditions point out the fallacy of trying to plan so close.
Some of us were stressing the importance of calculating your costs by the day rather than by the mile years ago. :wink: To really get a handle on things, folks should have an idea:
Per day, per week, per month, quarterly, semi-annually, and annually.
You've just shown how futile it can be, to argue with drivers that have their minds made up.
rank wrote: Actually I lied above. $1.88 is for trucks, trailers and drivers. So I guess my answer to your question is ~.70/mile + trailer, driver, WSIB & Dh miles. Rank, I believe you, but: I wouldn't let it be known, to your customers. If we are talking US dollars, I would recommend $2.06.
But, here we are, a day later. You might want to make it $2.12
You may not need much of a cushion, since your main business is not trucking. But most do. To plan so close, and base your rate on your figures, could easilly have you living pay check to pay check. That is a recipe for a short tenure, in this business.
Orangetxguy wrote: 2...What is your definition of an Owner Operator? I have noticed that lot's of people whom are registered and operate under their own USDOT/MC number call themselves Owner-Operators. You a mean man, trying to trick me, like that...
No matter where you go, you make it understood, from the beginning, that you will or you will not do what you want to do, whether they like it, or not.
If they have an issue with it, then you deal with it, as you see fit.
There is a cost to be paid, for holding such an attitude, and most do not have the fortitude to do it.
Lot's of folks with some sort of equity interest in a truck, declare themselves to be business men. When you do as you are told, and have no real control, then you are a company driver with added risks and responsibilities, including money management.
But, that is all. A money manager is not a business man.
A business man is usually heaviliy scarred. |
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Sonny Pruitt
Joined: 02 Sep 2006
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Location: Mahwah,NJ
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:24 am Post subject: |
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I had my squelch down
could you repeat the question
and without all that echo? |
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Doghouse
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm sitting here in Albany NY , getting ready to head for NC,..have my tranny replaced :cry: and a new set of drives :shock: . |
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