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StevenD
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: What exactly is the 60/70 Rule? |
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Help me out here...if I drive 11 hours each day and am on duty for fourteen, in six days this is 66 hours driving. Don't most drivers experience this? I don't yet understand how the rule applies.
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Rev.Vassago
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The 60/7 rule means you can only be on duty for 60 hours within a 7 day period, after which point you cannot drive until your hours are below 60 (either with a 34 hour reset, or by waiting for hours to "drop off"). This rule applies to carriers who do not operate 7 days a week.
The 70/8 rule means you can only be on duty for 70 hours within an 8 day period, after which point you cannot drive until your hours are below 70 (either with a 34 hour reset, or by waiting for hours to "drop off"). This rule applies to carriers who operate 7 days a week.
Quote: Help me out here...if I drive 11 hours each day and am on duty for fourteen, in six days this is 66 hours driving. Don't most drivers experience this? I don't yet understand how the rule applies.
You do not just count driving time - you must count all on duty time. This means any time spent driving and any time spent "on duty (not driving)". |
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BIG JEEP on 44's
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| Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| 60/70 rule ...is the average percentage of b.S. you will be required to endure in a 7 -8 day period . :wink: |
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mdgardner963
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: What exactly is the 60/70 Rule? |
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StevenD wrote: Help me out here...if I drive 11 hours each day and am on duty for fourteen, in six days this is 66 hours driving. Don't most drivers experience this? I don't yet understand how the rule applies.
Steve
Ok here are federal guide lines you get 70 hours in a 8 day period. At any time you Get to 70 hours total driving and working in 7 days in an 8 day period. Then your off untill you get hours back to work or a 34 hour time off duty to restart.. So you can run up to 70 hours in 7 days then on the 8th day have 10 hours back and run them in any way you want..
I think the 60 hour rule deals more with local rules same state driving rule.. Some states Such as California's New rule even go futher 12 hours driving with 4 hours working.. Not sure if it went to 80 hours a week or stuck at 70..
As a Rule i drive 9.5 hours a day unless i am at a pick or delivery i do a pretrip and fuel at same time if i am fueling at the start of my day sometimes i mark it 15 mins at other time it might take me 30 mins.
I try to stay at 9.75 hours a day no matter what that way i never have to stop. Just put the truth down and keep your day as close to 9.75 hours a day and never run out of hours but some days are longer and some shorter. I average 3300 miles a week. running this way since the law changed. I have not had any problems making my deliviers or pick ups on time.. Trip planning were and when you stop is real important. Do not be scared to have you dispatcher change your appointment time..
Be safe a drive smart.. :twisted: |
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Uturn2001
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Quote: The 60/7 rule means you can only be on duty for 60 hours within a 7 day period, after which point you cannot drive until your hours are below 60 (either with a 34 hour reset, or by waiting for hours to "drop off"). This rule applies to carriers who do not operate 7 days a week.
The 70/8 rule means you can only be on duty for 70 hours within an 8 day period, after which point you cannot drive until your hours are below 70 (either with a 34 hour reset, or by waiting for hours to "drop off"). This rule applies to carriers who operate 7 days a week.
Close but not quite.
What the rules say is that once you have been on duty for 60 hours in any 7 day period or 70 hours in any 8 consecutive day period (depending on which rule your employer uses) you can no longer drive until your available hours drop belows the rule limit. You may work more than the 60 or 70 hours during that time frame, but you simply may not drive once you have met or exceeded the limit.
When dealing with the Hours of Service regulations there is one thing to always remember. They only dictate under what terms a driver may operate a CMV. They do not have anything to do with how many hours a driver may work. |
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VitoCorleone99
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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9.75 x 8 = 78
9.75 x 7 = 68.25
You probably meant 8.75. If you can manage that, it works. My experience has been that, sometimes, you just have to go further in a given day and you have to watch the 70 hours by the end of the 8 days. |
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Rev.Vassago
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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Uturn2001 wrote: Quote: The 60/7 rule means you can only be on duty for 60 hours within a 7 day period, after which point you cannot drive until your hours are below 60 (either with a 34 hour reset, or by waiting for hours to "drop off"). This rule applies to carriers who do not operate 7 days a week.
The 70/8 rule means you can only be on duty for 70 hours within an 8 day period, after which point you cannot drive until your hours are below 70 (either with a 34 hour reset, or by waiting for hours to "drop off"). This rule applies to carriers who operate 7 days a week.
Close but not quite.
What the rules say is that once you have been on duty for 60 hours in any 7 day period or 70 hours in any 8 consecutive day period (depending on which rule your employer uses) you can no longer drive until your available hours drop belows the rule limit. You may work more than the 60 or 70 hours during that time frame, but you simply may not drive once you have met or exceeded the limit.
That's exactly what I said. Just shut up and stop repeating what everyone else says in a thread, until you can come up with an original thought. :roll: |
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mdgardner963
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:45 am Post subject: |
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VitoCorleone99 wrote: 9.75 x 8 = 78
9.75 x 7 = 68.25
You probably meant 8.75. If you can manage that, it works. My experience has been that, sometimes, you just have to go further in a given day and you have to watch the 70 hours by the end of the 8 days.
Ok listen up 9.75 x 7 is what you need to worrie about on the 8th DAY you get mach 9.75 hours DUH |
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VitoCorleone99
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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mdgardner963 wrote: VitoCorleone99 wrote: 9.75 x 8 = 78
9.75 x 7 = 68.25
You probably meant 8.75. If you can manage that, it works. My experience has been that, sometimes, you just have to go further in a given day and you have to watch the 70 hours by the end of the 8 days.
Ok listen up 9.75 x 7 is what you need to worrie about on the 8th DAY you get mach 9.75 hours DUH
Yeah, good luck with that one Einstein. On the 8th day, you would only have 1.75 hours available. |
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mdgardner963
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VitoCorleone99 wrote: mdgardner963 wrote: VitoCorleone99 wrote: 9.75 x 8 = 78
9.75 x 7 = 68.25
You probably meant 8.75. If you can manage that, it works. My experience has been that, sometimes, you just have to go further in a given day and you have to watch the 70 hours by the end of the 8 days.
Ok listen up 9.75 x 7 is what you need to worrie about on the 8th DAY you get mach 9.75 hours DUH
Yeah, good luck with that one Einstein. On the 8th day, you would only have 1.75 hours available.
Man on the 8th day you get back 9.75 hours it does not count towards you. and that is all i have to say about that. |
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Fredog
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mdgardner963 wrote: VitoCorleone99 wrote: mdgardner963 wrote: VitoCorleone99 wrote: 9.75 x 8 = 78
9.75 x 7 = 68.25
You probably meant 8.75. If you can manage that, it works. My experience has been that, sometimes, you just have to go further in a given day and you have to watch the 70 hours by the end of the 8 days.
Ok listen up 9.75 x 7 is what you need to worrie about on the 8th DAY you get mach 9.75 hours DUH
Yeah, good luck with that one Einstein. On the 8th day, you would only have 1.75 hours available.
Man on the 8th day you get back 9.75 hours it does not count towards you. and that is all i have to say about that.
before you go please tell us how you came up with that theory |
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mdgardner963
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Fredog wrote: mdgardner963 wrote: VitoCorleone99 wrote: mdgardner963 wrote: VitoCorleone99 wrote: 9.75 x 8 = 78
9.75 x 7 = 68.25
You probably meant 8.75. If you can manage that, it works. My experience has been that, sometimes, you just have to go further in a given day and you have to watch the 70 hours by the end of the 8 days.
Ok listen up 9.75 x 7 is what you need to worrie about on the 8th DAY you get mach 9.75 hours DUH
Yeah, good luck with that one Einstein. On the 8th day, you would only have 1.75 hours available.
Man on the 8th day you get back 9.75 hours it does not count towards you. and that is all i have to say about that.
before you go please tell us how you came up with that theory
You know what i don't teach people who do not understand the law.. Go Read the HOS rule. The 8th day DOES Not count towards your hours on the 8th day you get back 9.75 hours Here let me break it down.
day 1 9.75
day 2 9.75
day 3 9.75
day 4 9.75
day 6 9.75
day 7 9.75
= 68.25 hours for 7 days ok how many hours will you have on your 8th day lets see
day 8 you have 9.75 coing back so how many hours do you have 11.50 Gee ya think? NEVER Had a dot ticket in my life DOT does not put up with peeps who cant add. And maybe if you had paid attention in your logging class you would know this is the rule not the exception. Theory ? how about fact before you start sputtering out crud.This is a mad dog. :evil: |
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Fredog
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mdgardner963 wrote: Fredog wrote: mdgardner963 wrote: VitoCorleone99 wrote: mdgardner963 wrote: VitoCorleone99 wrote: 9.75 x 8 = 78
9.75 x 7 = 68.25
You probably meant 8.75. If you can manage that, it works. My experience has been that, sometimes, you just have to go further in a given day and you have to watch the 70 hours by the end of the 8 days.
Ok listen up 9.75 x 7 is what you need to worrie about on the 8th DAY you get mach 9.75 hours DUH
Yeah, good luck with that one Einstein. On the 8th day, you would only have 1.75 hours available.
Man on the 8th day you get back 9.75 hours it does not count towards you. and that is all i have to say about that.
before you go please tell us how you came up with that theory
You know what i don't teach people who do not understand the law.. Go Read the HOS rule. The 8th day DOES Not count towards your hours on the 8th day you get back 9.75 hours Here let me break it down.
day 1 9.75
day 2 9.75
day 3 9.75
day 4 9.75
day 6 9.75
day 7 9.75
= 68.25 hours for 7 days ok how many hours will you have on your 8th day lets see
day 8 you have 9.75 coing back so how many hours do you have 11.50 Gee ya think? NEVER Had a dot ticket in my life DOT does not put up with peeps who cant add. And maybe if you had paid attention in your logging class you would know this is the rule not the exception. Theory ? how about fact before you start sputtering out crud.This is a mad dog. :evil:
May not drive after 60/70 hours on duty in 7/8 consecutive days.
* A driver may restart a 7/8 consecutive day period after taking 34 or more consecutive hours off duty.
unless you are a mad dog truckdriver who cant have a conversation without name calling |
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mdgardner963
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Fredog wrote: mdgardner963 wrote: Fredog wrote: mdgardner963 wrote: VitoCorleone99 wrote: mdgardner963 wrote: VitoCorleone99 wrote: 9.75 x 8 = 78
9.75 x 7 = 68.25
You probably meant 8.75. If you can manage that, it works. My experience has been that, sometimes, you just have to go further in a given day and you have to watch the 70 hours by the end of the 8 days.
Ok listen up 9.75 x 7 is what you need to worrie about on the 8th DAY you get mach 9.75 hours DUH
Yeah, good luck with that one Einstein. On the 8th day, you would only have 1.75 hours available.
Man on the 8th day you get back 9.75 hours it does not count towards you. and that is all i have to say about that.
before you go please tell us how you came up with that theory
You know what i don't teach people who do not understand the law.. Go Read the HOS rule. The 8th day DOES Not count towards your hours on the 8th day you get back 9.75 hours Here let me break it down.
day 1 9.75
day 2 9.75
day 3 9.75
day 4 9.75
day 6 9.75
day 7 9.75
= 68.25 hours for 7 days ok how many hours will you have on your 8th day lets see
day 8 you have 9.75 coing back so how many hours do you have 11.50 Gee ya think? NEVER Had a dot ticket in my life DOT does not put up with peeps who cant add. And maybe if you had paid attention in your logging class you would know this is the rule not the exception. Theory ? how about fact before you start sputtering out crud.This is a mad dog. :evil:
May not drive after 60/70 hours on duty in 7/8 consecutive days.
* A driver may restart a 7/8 consecutive day period after taking 34 or more consecutive hours off duty.
unless you are a mad dog truckdriver who cant have a conversation without name calling
All you have done is told a big story how you think its ran.. What i have quoted is the law go look it up better yet stop by the dot office and ask them the 60/70 hour rule the 60 hour rule pertains to intrastate drivers not interstate drivers... 70 hours in 8 days pertains to those otr drivers. Its called 70 hours in 8 days but the rule is 70 in 7 days the 8th day is not considered violated if you have worked less then 70. then the 1st day of the seven day week is what you have comes back to time you can use. I am not name calling names just fustates me when i hear the way some persons think they are 100% correct when they can not understand what i am saying. :twisted: A Good debate is cleaning for the soul. :twisted: ps i did not call you a name at anytime.. :evil: |
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Fredog
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mdgardner963 wrote: Fredog wrote: mdgardner963 wrote: Fredog wrote: mdgardner963 wrote: VitoCorleone99 wrote: mdgardner963 wrote: VitoCorleone99 wrote: 9.75 x 8 = 78
9.75 x 7 = 68.25
You probably meant 8.75. If you can manage that, it works. My experience has been that, sometimes, you just have to go further in a given day and you have to watch the 70 hours by the end of the 8 days.
Ok listen up 9.75 x 7 is what you need to worrie about on the 8th DAY you get mach 9.75 hours DUH
Yeah, good luck with that one Einstein. On the 8th day, you would only have 1.75 hours available.
Man on the 8th day you get back 9.75 hours it does not count towards you. and that is all i have to say about that.
before you go please tell us how you came up with that theory
You know what i don't teach people who do not understand the law.. Go Read the HOS rule. The 8th day DOES Not count towards your hours on the 8th day you get back 9.75 hours Here let me break it down.
day 1 9.75
day 2 9.75
day 3 9.75
day 4 9.75
day 6 9.75
day 7 9.75
= 68.25 hours for 7 days ok how many hours will you have on your 8th day lets see
day 8 you have 9.75 coing back so how many hours do you have 11.50 Gee ya think? NEVER Had a dot ticket in my life DOT does not put up with peeps who cant add. And maybe if you had paid attention in your logging class you would know this is the rule not the exception. Theory ? how about fact before you start sputtering out crud.This is a mad dog. :evil:
May not drive after 60/70 hours on duty in 7/8 consecutive days.
* A driver may restart a 7/8 consecutive day period after taking 34 or more consecutive hours off duty.
unless you are a mad dog truckdriver who cant have a conversation without name calling
All you have done is told a big story how you think its ran.. What i have quoted is the law go look it up better yet stop by the dot office and ask them the 60/70 hour rule the 60 hour rule pertains to intrastate drivers not interstate drivers... 70 hours in 8 days pertains to those otr drivers. Its called 70 hours in 8 days but the rule is 70 in 7 days the 8th day is not considered violated if you have worked less then 70. then the 1st day of the seven day week is what you have comes back to time you can use. I am not name calling names just fustates me when i hear the way some persons think they are 100% correct when they can not understand what i am saying. :twisted: A Good debate is cleaning for the soul. :twisted: ps i did not call you a name at anytime.. :evil:
I thought you said they give you back hours on the 8th day, which is not true. anyway, I work 5 days then have 48 hours off, so I dont need to worry about it |
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