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Rev.Vassago
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Fredog wrote: mdgardner963 wrote: Fredog wrote: mdgardner963 wrote: Fredog wrote: mdgardner963 wrote: VitoCorleone99 wrote: mdgardner963 wrote: VitoCorleone99 wrote: 9.75 x 8 = 78
9.75 x 7 = 68.25
You probably meant 8.75. If you can manage that, it works. My experience has been that, sometimes, you just have to go further in a given day and you have to watch the 70 hours by the end of the 8 days.
Ok listen up 9.75 x 7 is what you need to worrie about on the 8th DAY you get mach 9.75 hours DUH
Yeah, good luck with that one Einstein. On the 8th day, you would only have 1.75 hours available.
Man on the 8th day you get back 9.75 hours it does not count towards you. and that is all i have to say about that.
before you go please tell us how you came up with that theory
You know what i don't teach people who do not understand the law.. Go Read the HOS rule. The 8th day DOES Not count towards your hours on the 8th day you get back 9.75 hours Here let me break it down.
day 1 9.75
day 2 9.75
day 3 9.75
day 4 9.75
day 6 9.75
day 7 9.75
= 68.25 hours for 7 days ok how many hours will you have on your 8th day lets see
day 8 you have 9.75 coing back so how many hours do you have 11.50 Gee ya think? NEVER Had a dot ticket in my life DOT does not put up with peeps who cant add. And maybe if you had paid attention in your logging class you would know this is the rule not the exception. Theory ? how about fact before you start sputtering out crud.This is a mad dog. :evil:
May not drive after 60/70 hours on duty in 7/8 consecutive days.
* A driver may restart a 7/8 consecutive day period after taking 34 or more consecutive hours off duty.
unless you are a mad dog truckdriver who cant have a conversation without name calling
All you have done is told a big story how you think its ran.. What i have quoted is the law go look it up better yet stop by the dot office and ask them the 60/70 hour rule the 60 hour rule pertains to intrastate drivers not interstate drivers... 70 hours in 8 days pertains to those otr drivers. Its called 70 hours in 8 days but the rule is 70 in 7 days the 8th day is not considered violated if you have worked less then 70. then the 1st day of the seven day week is what you have comes back to time you can use. I am not name calling names just fustates me when i hear the way some persons think they are 100% correct when they can not understand what i am saying. :twisted: A Good debate is cleaning for the soul. :twisted: ps i did not call you a name at anytime.. :evil:
I thought you said they give you back hours on the 8th day, which is not true. anyway, I work 5 days then have 48 hours off, so I dont need to worry about it
I just thought I'd add a post in here to help build up this gigantic quote string going on. :wink: |
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Scoe
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Rev.Vassago wrote: Fredog wrote: mdgardner963 wrote: Fredog wrote: mdgardner963 wrote: Fredog wrote: mdgardner963 wrote: VitoCorleone99 wrote: mdgardner963 wrote: VitoCorleone99 wrote: 9.75 x 8 = 78
9.75 x 7 = 68.25
You probably meant 8.75. If you can manage that, it works. My experience has been that, sometimes, you just have to go further in a given day and you have to watch the 70 hours by the end of the 8 days.
Ok listen up 9.75 x 7 is what you need to worrie about on the 8th DAY you get mach 9.75 hours DUH
Yeah, good luck with that one Einstein. On the 8th day, you would only have 1.75 hours available.
Man on the 8th day you get back 9.75 hours it does not count towards you. and that is all i have to say about that.
before you go please tell us how you came up with that theory
You know what i don't teach people who do not understand the law.. Go Read the HOS rule. The 8th day DOES Not count towards your hours on the 8th day you get back 9.75 hours Here let me break it down.
day 1 9.75
day 2 9.75
day 3 9.75
day 4 9.75
day 6 9.75
day 7 9.75
= 68.25 hours for 7 days ok how many hours will you have on your 8th day lets see
day 8 you have 9.75 coing back so how many hours do you have 11.50 Gee ya think? NEVER Had a dot ticket in my life DOT does not put up with peeps who cant add. And maybe if you had paid attention in your logging class you would know this is the rule not the exception. Theory ? how about fact before you start sputtering out crud.This is a mad dog. :evil:
May not drive after 60/70 hours on duty in 7/8 consecutive days.
* A driver may restart a 7/8 consecutive day period after taking 34 or more consecutive hours off duty.
unless you are a mad dog truckdriver who cant have a conversation without name calling
All you have done is told a big story how you think its ran.. What i have quoted is the law go look it up better yet stop by the dot office and ask them the 60/70 hour rule the 60 hour rule pertains to intrastate drivers not interstate drivers... 70 hours in 8 days pertains to those otr drivers. Its called 70 hours in 8 days but the rule is 70 in 7 days the 8th day is not considered violated if you have worked less then 70. then the 1st day of the seven day week is what you have comes back to time you can use. I am not name calling names just fustates me when i hear the way some persons think they are 100% correct when they can not understand what i am saying. :twisted: A Good debate is cleaning for the soul. :twisted: ps i did not call you a name at anytime.. :evil:
I thought you said they give you back hours on the 8th day, which is not true. anyway, I work 5 days then have 48 hours off, so I dont need to worry about it
I just thought I'd add a post in here to help build up this gigantic quote string going on. :wink:
Knock it off :shock: :wink: |
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Rev.Vassago
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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mdgardner963
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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| I give up your never going to get you just do not understand how otr works .. Ok you beat me i am defeated.. Oh your local now it all makes perfect sense. :twisted: :twisted: |
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mdgardner963
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Count the 8th day back into an otr drivers account the hours come back after the 7th day ask anyone please. read the law dot 328.63 the 8th day you get hours back form the 1st day. :twisted: |
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Rev.Vassago
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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mdgardner963 wrote: Count the 8th day back into an otr drivers account the hours come back after the 7th day ask anyone please. read the law dot 328.63 the 8th day you get hours back form the 1st day. :twisted:
8th day available hours is 70-(prior 7 day total). The hours do not come back until the end of the 8th day.
Day 1: 9
Day 2: 8
Day 3: 8
Day 4: 11
Day 5: 10
Day 6: 8
Day 7: 10
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Total hours prior 7 days = 64 hours
Total available hours for day 8 = 6 hours
Day 8: 6
Total hours prior 7 days = 61 hours
Total available hours for day 9 = 9 hours (because day 1 just dropped off on day 9).
You regain your hours on day 9. Plain and simple, you are wrong. |
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mdgardner963
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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Rev.Vassago wrote: mdgardner963 wrote: Count the 8th day back into an otr drivers account the hours come back after the 7th day ask anyone please. read the law dot 328.63 the 8th day you get hours back form the 1st day. :twisted:
8th day available hours is 70-(prior 7 day total). The hours do not come back until the end of the 8th day.
Day 1: 9
Day 2: 8
Day 3: 8
Day 4: 11
Day 5: 10
Day 6: 8
Day 7: 10
__________
Total hours prior 7 days = 64 hours
Total available hours for day 8 = 6 hours
Day 8: 6
Total hours prior 7 days = 61 hours
Total available hours for day 9 = 9 hours (because day 1 just dropped off on day 9).
You regain your hours on day 9. Plain and simple, you are wrong.
Are you kidding me? Not a clue at all.. I give.. Cant explain the rules to you, your just to smart. maybe its a good thing your not an otr driver... |
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Rev.Vassago
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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mdgardner963 wrote:
Are you kidding me? Not a clue at all.. I give.. Cant explain the rules to you, your just to smart. maybe its a good thing your not an otr driver...
You are hilarious. My source was my log book. You add up the last 7 days, and subtract that total from 70. That is your available hours for day 8. Just so you know, I am looking right at my log book as I type this.
YESTERDAY:
RECAP
Day 1: 9
Day 2: 8
Day 3: 8
Day 4: 11
Day 5: 10
Day 6: 8
Day 7: 10(hours worked yesterday)
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TOTAL HOURS BEFORE TODAY (Add Rows 1-7)
64 hours
AVAILABLE HOURS TODAY, day 8(Subtract total hours from 70)
6 hours
HOURS WORKED TODAY:
6 hours
TODAY (day 9):
RECAP:
Day 1: 8
Day 2: 8
Day 3: 11
Day 4: 10
Day 5: 8
Day 6: 10
Day 7: 6 (today)
______________________________
TOTAL HOURS BEFORE TODAY (Add Rows 1-7)
61 hours
AVAILABLE HOURS TODAY (Subtract total hours from 70)
9 hours
NOW, tell me where that is wrong, since I just took that out of my DOT APPROVED LOGBOOK RECAP :roll: |
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mdgardner963
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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Rev.Vassago wrote: mdgardner963 wrote:
Are you kidding me? Not a clue at all.. I give.. Cant explain the rules to you, your just to smart. maybe its a good thing your not an otr driver...
You are hilarious. My source was my log book. You add up the last 7 days, and subtract that total from 70. That is your available hours for day 8. Just so you know, I am looking right at my log book as I type this.
YESTERDAY:
RECAP
Day 1: 9
Day 2: 8
Day 3: 8
Day 4: 11
Day 5: 10
Day 6: 8
Day 7: 10(hours worked yesterday)
______________________________
TOTAL HOURS BEFORE TODAY (Add Rows 1-7)
64 hours
AVAILABLE HOURS TODAY, day 8(Subtract total hours from 70)
6 hours
HOURS WORKED TODAY:
6 hours
TODAY (day 9):
RECAP:
Day 1: 8 - 8 on the 8th day
Day 2: 8
Day 3: 11
Day 4: 10
Day 5: 8
Day 6: 10
Day 7: 6 (today)
______________________________
TOTAL HOURS BEFORE TODAY (Add Rows 1-7)
61 hours
AVAILABLE HOURS TODAY (Subtract total hours from 70)
9 hours
NOW, tell me where that is wrong, since I just took that out of my DOT APPROVED LOGBOOK RECAP :roll: |
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mdgardner963
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| I am sorry what your failing to understand is that the 8th day if your under the 70 then day 1 comes back to you.. i know its hard to understand but its Fed dot rule not mine. |
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Rev.Vassago
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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mdgardner963 wrote: I am sorry what your failing to understand is that the 8th day if your under the 70 then day 1 comes back to you.. i know its hard to understand but its Fed dot rule not mine.
No, what you are failing to understand is that it is 70 hours in 8 days, not 70 hours in 7 days. Day 1 does not come back until the 9th day. |
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Cat6869
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mdgardner963 wrote: I am sorry what your failing to understand is that the 8th day if your under the 70 then day 1 comes back to you.. i know its hard to understand but its Fed dot rule not mine.
When doing your recap if you look at line 1 (hopefully you have the 7 day recap on your log sheet??) on the log sheet you are filling out you will gain what's on line 1 @ midnight (which makes that your 9th day).
So most are telling you correctly but not stressing how you gain that day!
I have power point that might help you understand it a "little" more clearer.
What you should be doing is this: Before you start working every day the recap should be filled out (now many recaps are shown differently on the log sheet so I pray you have the 7 day recap and boxes 1,2 & 3?? However the answer will be the same if you do it on a scrap paper!
So I am getting ready to start working on 2-12-08 but I need to fill out my recap BEFORE I start driving. My last 7 days hours are listed below:
11
9.5
5
4
10
9
8
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Last 7 day total is 56.5
Take 70 minues 56.5 and the answer is 13.5
that means for 2-12 I have 13.5 hours to "work" lines 3 & 4 combined.
Now lets say I work all those 13.5 hours!
At midnight (9th day) I will gain 11 hours, because every night @ midnight you gain the hours that you worked on line 1 Or what you worked 8 days ago!
DOT states you can not work MORE than 70 hours in 8 days! So add up the hours you have worked the last 7 days and today and subtract that from 70 hours and that's how many hours you can legally work right now. Midnight will make them hours change because it's a "new day".
Did this help clarify a little of the dispute without the attacks?
PM me if you would like |
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bullhauler
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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day 1
11 driving 2hrs to p t and load fuel 13hrs
day 2
11hrs driving 1hr pt fuel 14hrs
day 3
11hrs driving 3hrs pt unload, load fuel.14 hrs
day 4
11 hrs driving 1hrs pt fuel. 13hrs
day 5
5.5hrs driving .5 pt 6 hrs
day1 start time was 6am.
out of hrs at mid day Friday right. 34hr reset good to go 4am sun day
11 driving 1hr pt fuel 74hrs driving and on duty in 7 days why use the 8 day rule. go on blow a hole in it but remember a reset is a reset |
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Rev.Vassago
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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Cat6869 wrote: mdgardner963 wrote: I am sorry what your failing to understand is that the 8th day if your under the 70 then day 1 comes back to you.. i know its hard to understand but its Fed dot rule not mine.
When doing your recap if you look at line 1 (hopefully you have the 7 day recap on your log sheet??) on the log sheet you are filling out you will gain what's on line 1 @ midnight (which makes that your 9th day).
So most are telling you correctly but not stressing how you gain that day!
I have power point that might help you understand it a "little" more clearer.
What you should be doing is this: Before you start working every day the recap should be filled out (now many recaps are shown differently on the log sheet so I pray you have the 7 day recap and boxes 1,2 & 3?? However the answer will be the same if you do it on a scrap paper!
So I am getting ready to start working on 2-12-08 but I need to fill out my recap BEFORE I start driving. My last 7 days hours are listed below:
11
9.5
5
4
10
9
8
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Last 7 day total is 56.5
Take 70 minues 56.5 and the answer is 13.5
that means for 2-12 I have 13.5 hours to "work" lines 3 & 4 combined.
Now lets say I work all those 13.5 hours!
At midnight (9th day) I will gain 11 hours, because every night @ midnight you gain the hours that you worked on line 1 Or what you worked 8 days ago!
DOT states you can not work MORE than 70 hours in 8 days! So add up the hours you have worked the last 7 days and today and subtract that from 70 hours and that's how many hours you can legally work right now. Midnight will make them hours change because it's a "new day".
Did this help clarify a little of the dispute without the attacks?
PM me if you would like
Isn't that pretty much exactly what I said? :? |
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VitoCorleone99
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| It doesn't matter how you explain it. The dude thinks the rule says eight days but means seven. That's some brilliant reasoning, as far as I'm concerned. |
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