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palidian
Joined: 12 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject: No idling in California... |
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Has anyone gotten a ticket?
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/truck-idling/truck-idling.htm |
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headborg
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:43 am Post subject: |
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well, I'm in Ca right now--just set for 48hrs back in Quartzsite, Az to avoid this very thing....so far,
Crete has been 'silent' on this new problem......
probably gonna wait until their(we) drivers start getting tickets and start refusing to come to California during summer/winter. |
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Jack_07
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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Location: Tifton, Ga
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| Why don't they just make all new truck to be equiped with an apc unit and quit trying to punish the drivers. I am really suprised the stolen or hijacked truck rate has not went up cause of drivers rolling the windows down to try to stay cool in the summer. |
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Malaki86
Joined: 28 Aug 2004
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Location: West Virginia
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:20 am Post subject: |
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They don't allow the APU's unless they go through the particulate filter either. So, you're still screwed.
I've never been to California to date, and plan on never going there. |
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Uturn2001
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Location: East Central IL between the corn and the beans
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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Malaki86 wrote: They don't allow the APU's unless they go through the particulate filter either. So, you're still screwed.
I've never been to California to date, and plan on never going there.
Yep, under Cali's current regulations, if the truck's engine is an 07 or newer model then the APU's have to meet the more stringent emissions requirements. Last I heard there are none that do, though supposedly the APU manufacturers are all working on it. |
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TruckerChris
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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Location: Sacramento, California
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Every night I stop @ the Loves in Ripon, CA and the Flying J in lodi. Everybody is still idling. I really don't think that anyone cares or doesn't know it's in affect. My truck doesn't turn off during my whole 12hr shift. |
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BigDiesel
Joined: 01 Apr 2007
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Location: Space... The Final Frontier
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| As stated by a CHP inspector.... " We have a few higher priorities than looking for and ticketing idleing trucks. " |
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mdgardner963
Joined: 16 Jan 2008
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Location: California
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| Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Well The Fed law is top dog. And Califs Law is tough but read the fine print. 42 and below and 72 and above all is good. The Big Dog Kicks |
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kc0iv
Joined: 03 Feb 2005
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Location: Kansas City, MO
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:20 am Post subject: |
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mdgardner963 wrote: Well The Fed law is top dog. And Califs Law is tough but read the fine print. 42 and below and 72 and above all is good. The Big Dog Kicks
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/cabcomfort/cabcomfort.htm#OVERVIEW Quote: Pursuant to state regulation, operators of diesel-fueled trucks, with a gross vehicle weight rating greater than 10,000 pounds, shall not idle for more than 5 minutes when stopped within California's borders. Currently, there is an exemption for sleeper berth trucks, which allows them to idle during periods of sleep and rest. However, starting JANUARY 1, 2008, this will change; all sleeper berth trucks, regardless of model year, will also be required to shutdown their engines after 5 minutes.
http://www.etrucker.com/apps/news/article.asp?id=45715 Quote: Because the regulation is part of the federally mandated State Implementation Plan, it is also enforceable by EPA. “EPA does probably more enforcement on this than we might, and they have more jurisdiction and higher fines,”
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mdgardner963
Joined: 16 Jan 2008
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Location: California
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:43 am Post subject: |
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*This exception is NOT valid when a vehicle is within 100 feet of a restricted area. The law defines a restricted area as “any real property zoned for individual or multifamily housing units that has one or
more of such units on it”. Simply put, a “restricted area” would be any type of home or dwelling. In addition, idling within 100 feet of schools is also limited to 5 minutes as defined in a different California regulation (Section 2480, Title 13, California Code of Regulations).
i picked this off the website you gave will do more investagating. exceptions to evey rule :shock: |
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Uturn2001
Joined: 10 Jan 2005
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Location: East Central IL between the corn and the beans
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: |
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mdgardner963 wrote: *This exception is NOT valid when a vehicle is within 100 feet of a restricted area. The law defines a restricted area as “any real property zoned for individual or multifamily housing units that has one or
more of such units on it”. Simply put, a “restricted area” would be any type of home or dwelling. In addition, idling within 100 feet of schools is also limited to 5 minutes as defined in a different California regulation (Section 2480, Title 13, California Code of Regulations).
i picked this off the website you gave will do more investagating. exceptions to evey rule :shock:
There are no real exceptions to the CA no idle laws anymore. Only time you can idle the truck is if it is needed to operate equipment for the loading/unloading/transfer of cargo. |
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kc0iv
Joined: 03 Feb 2005
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Location: Kansas City, MO
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:48 am Post subject: |
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mdgardner963 wrote: *This exception is NOT valid when a vehicle is within 100 feet of a restricted area. The law defines a restricted area as “any real property zoned for individual or multifamily housing units that has one or
more of such units on it”. Simply put, a “restricted area” would be any type of home or dwelling. In addition, idling within 100 feet of schools is also limited to 5 minutes as defined in a different California regulation (Section 2480, Title 13, California Code of Regulations).
i picked this off the website you gave will do more investagating. exceptions to evey rule :shock:
Check-out: http://www.arb.ca.gov/html/fslist.htm Go down to Vehicles (near the bottom of the page). Click on the second item ( Anti Idling Requirement for Sleeper Berth Trucks). On the pdf file Notice it says: Quote: DOES YOUR DIESEL TRUCK HAVE A GROSS VEHICLE WEIGHT RATING GREATER THAN
10,000 POUNDS? If yes, then the following applies to you.
IDLING FOR MORE THAN 5 MINUTES IS PROHIBITED WITHIN CALIFORNIA’S BORDERS
CURRENTLY, THE IDLING LIMIT DOES NOT APPLY TO SLEEPER BERTH TRUCKS, BUT STARTING JANUARY 1, 2008, THIS WILL CHANGE AND SLEEPER BERTH TRUCKS WILL NO LONGER BE ALLOWED TO IDLE FOR MORE THAN 5 MINUTES. (caps by original article)
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mdgardner963
Joined: 16 Jan 2008
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Location: California
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:16 am Post subject: |
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Statewide Regulation Now Limits Diesel-Fueled
Commercial Motor Vehicle Idling
The Law
On or after February 1, 2005, the driver of any vehicle subject to this section:
(1) shall not idle the vehicle’s primary diesel engine for greater than 5
minutes at any location (please see “When can I idle?”)
(2) shall not idle a diesel-fueled auxiliary power system (APS) for more than 5
minutes to power a heater, air conditioner, or any ancillary equipment on the
vehicle if you have a sleeper berth and you’re within 100 feet of a restricted
area (homes and schools)
Who’s affected by the new regulation?
Operators of diesel-fueled commercial motor vehicles that weigh more than 10,000 pounds
operating in California, regardless of the state or country in which the vehicles are registered.
What are the penalties for non-compliance?
The driver of the vehicle is subject to a minimum civil penalty of $100 and to criminal penalties as
specified in the Health and Safety Code.
When can I idle?
Idling is allowed under these circumstances:
· A bus idling for up to 10 minutes prior to passenger boarding, or when passengers are onboard
· Idling of the main engine during sleeping or resting in a sleeper berth beyond 100 feet from any
restricted area (homes and schools)
· Idling when the vehicle must remain motionless due to traffic conditions
· Idling when the vehicle is queuing that at all times is beyond 100 feet from any restricted area
(homes and schools)
· Idling to verify safe operating condition
· Idling is mandatory for testing, servicing (cleaning of commercial vehicles/trucks/buses is not
considered servicing), repairing, or diagnostic purposes
· Idling when positioning or providing power for equipment that is performing work
· Idling when operating defrosters, heaters, air conditioners, or other equipment to prevent a safety
or health emergency
· Idling by authorized emergency vehicles
· Idling of military tactical vehicles during periods of training
· See regulation for details *
*REGULATION
For the text of the regulation, visit http://www.arb.ca.gov/toxics/idling/regtext.htm
I found this on the same page... now i am so confused. :evil: |
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mdgardner963
Joined: 16 Jan 2008
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Location: California
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:39 am Post subject: |
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You know what I wonder about this new idling law is who in gods green earth thinks this stuff up… And where are the driver’s rights here? Are there any Constitutional rights being violated in this law…
More over let’s go to there home and cut the temp to 42 degrees and see how they like it. Does any of this make sense? I under stand the need for clean air do not get me wrong here. I just think who is making the sacrifice? The companies could care less and the driver has no recourse or does he or her? The Big Dog Kicks :evil: :evil: :roll: |
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thebaldeagle655
Joined: 27 Dec 2006
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Location: Wichita Falls, Tx
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 10:56 am Post subject: |
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mdgardner963 wrote: You know what I wonder about this new idling law is who in gods green earth thinks this stuff up… And where are the driver’s rights here? Are there any Constitutional rights being violated in this law…
More over let’s go to there home and cut the temp to 42 degrees and see how they like it. Does any of this make sense? I under stand the need for clean air do not get me wrong here. I just think who is making the sacrifice? The companies could care less and the driver has no recourse or does he or her? The Big Dog Kicks :evil: :evil: :roll:
Remember, this is the same state that has a bill up to become law requiring GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED THERMOSTATS in all homes so that when there is a peak power consumption period, someone in the government can hit a switch and readjust everyone's heat and a/c units. Make sense? It's California, the land of fruits and nuts! |
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