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bob h · Joined: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 668 Location: Nb

headborg wrote: Creek Jackson wrote: Lead-acid batteries must be vented. The batteries produce hydrogen gas when they are being charged. If not allowed to vent, they become very dangerous items.
The battery manufacturers advertise sealed batteries. But they all have a hole in them somewhere. Flip a "sealed" battery upside down and see what dribbles out.

Creek

I did my research--before I placed extra batteries under by bunk---

new technology Bob: Silver-cadmium batteries were developed FIRST for use by Nasa--- they had a problem--Satallites in orbit were for some reason--getting slighly out of position.. It was discovered:::

As Creek Jackson pointed out above----lead/acid batteries give off--hydrogen gas---this gas was acting as a propellent in space.
Silver-Cadmium batteries use no lead in them--and produce NO HCL gas--
thus require no venting-

Do some research yourself.

also Google "adding tap water to batteries" will result in finding
that this practice ---shortens the life span of a battery--
you either use "distilled water" or you add New electrolite---they sell it at AutoZone.

@creek Jackson---I can turn my Sealed Wet Silver-Cadmium Heavy Duty Truck Battery purchased from Peterbuilt $89.00 several year ago----upside
down or any end---nothing comes out--and the label wore off years ago...no holes now how is this possible?

You have to take University Chemistry -----
lead-acid battery:
contains sulfric acid & water--- which is what makes up the electrolite
they are vented because they gas which is correct.
the flaw in What Happens to the "water level" is the problem.
It doesn't evaporate-----the O atoms ionize to the lead plate--
which then leaves the H2-free as a gas atom= hyrogen gas!
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silver cadmium battery doesn't have lead plates-
the O atoms don't ionize to them---no gas discharge-- hence no venting needed.
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back to the lead-acid battery:

tap water???
contains????

usually--clorine
now when you add tap water to a battery:
you introduce a new gas discharge along with the explosive Hydrogen gas
you also discharge clorine gas
SEE: WWI( clorine gas is also called Mustard Gas and killed many soldiers during WWI
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Submarines Use Batteries
Submarines carry people that don't want to be gassed with mustard gas.
The Navy never used Tap water in it's batteries-wonder why?
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During WWI & WWII--subs had to surface to vent the hydrogen gas.
When the Navy head about Nasa's little problem with Orbital wobble--caused by gas discharged from the batteries---and that the Brains
at Nasa were now going to try to Engineer a solution----
they said---Hey, we sure could use whatever you come up with too

Now Subs can stay down longer.

Sorry for my hasty assumption that silver-cadmiums were just standard low- or no-maintenance batteries like most of us use.

I had no idea you had acquired your truck batteries from NASA… my bad.

Creek Jackson · Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:45 pm Post subject:

Well, I tried to do some research.

I googled;

Sealed Wet Silver-Cadmium Heavy Duty Truck Battery

Nothing. Not one single application of a silver-cadium battery in an automotive type use.

I don't know what to tell you except that you must have some pretty special batteries.

Creek

headborg · Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 1211

bob,--I got my silver-cadmium batteries at Peterbuilt

NASA and the space program has been responsible for many technological advancements....

yeah, I even get my TANG from NASA as well..

google---- Nasa spinoffs & space benefits it's not a complete list

Imagine what kinds of technology we could develop, with a goal & the will to dream about doing the impossible--

Bandit102 · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 245

I've found that adding electrolyte to an old battery is a good and fast way to have to replace it.

headborg · Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 1211

Bandit102 wrote: I've found that adding electrolyte to an old battery is a good and fast way to have to replace it.

yeah, I found that one too...problem is .....you can find another site --which
states correctly- that adding straight sulfuric acid--does that instead.

they you can find a site that tells how to "test" the PH? of the electrolyte/acid- and level//go to this table- and figure how much surfuric acid to mix with distilled water---to properly replace the electrolyte to manufacture spec.

then there's the quick trip to the parts store and find the 60/40 preblended--the 60 being the water--- to refill real quick.----

or hell, just use tap-water.
did you find where they recommend distilled water?

I just checked batteries at Bozzleman's-
they have all the "low maintance" batteries--with vents & caps on top....
man has the price tag gone up. $120.99 for a battery.
there are:

Nickle-Cadmium
Silver-Zinc
batteries too---both produce different chemical reactions.

Splitshifter · Joined: 19 Jun 2006 Posts: 681 Location: Right here

Quote: I just checked batteries at Bozzleman's-
they have all the "low maintance" batteries--with vents & caps on top....
man has the price tag gone up. $120.99 for a battery.

They're trying to screw ya.

Batteries Plus has group 31's for right around $80.00 each with the fleet discount.

I just picked some up from there last week.

headborg · Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 1211

Splitshifter wrote: Quote: I just checked batteries at Bozzleman's-
they have all the "low maintance" batteries--with vents & caps on top....
man has the price tag gone up. $120.99 for a battery.

They're trying to screw ya.

Batteries Plus has group 31's for right around $80.00 each with the fleet discount.

I just picked some up from there last week.

Well, I bought my "sealed" "wet" silver-cadmium batteries at least 8 years ago---and then they were 90.00 a piece-got 2/ and my wife almost crapped herself---a company driver adding 2 batteries to the companies 3--as a isolated set.----They are getting weak now---too many TV dinners.

Bandit102 · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 245

Well, I have been using Interstates for years. Was replacing them about every year in every truck until I read about CCA's and plates. Started using 4 of the lower CCA batteries in all the trucks and 2 years without a replacement so far. Will see what the cold weather brings us!!!

headborg · Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 1211

Why don't they make a battery with a clear see-thru plastic casing that you could see the condition of the plates inside---in fact, why not make said battery with a removable "Lid" and the ability to replace the bad- plates.

Oh, I know....cause they'd sell less batteries.

bob h · Joined: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 668 Location: Nb

Creek Jackson wrote: Well, I tried to do some research.

I googled;

Sealed Wet Silver-Cadmium Heavy Duty Truck Battery

Nothing. Not one single application of a silver-cadium battery in an automotive type use.

I don't know what to tell you except that you must have some pretty special batteries.

Creek

Agreed.

I've searched several times and found nothing; lots of aerospace, nasa, and gadget batteries. But, I can't find a single company interested in selling me silver-cadmiums for my truck ??? Not even for my car !! Isn't that odd ?

I have seen several references to the relatively high cost of this battery type.

So, john luke pickard... what make are your batteries ?

headborg · Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 1211

has some of the red sticker left on top,

Says; Champion

silver-cadmium maintenance free

925 CCA/180 RC/12V

G/N/B at the top left hand corner---

tried to take a digital picture of it, but my camera shuts off- says batteries low

Need to recharge my Kodak Ni-MH HR6 batteries.<<---that would be nickle-something?? batterie

And you don't know how much crap I had to remove from by bunk- to get this lid up.......non-believers

although; while I did more research while you've questioned/doubted me--I did find that a true Silver-cadmium
batterie uses Potassium Oxide as the electrolite.

This battery label reads : Warning contains Sulphuric Acid
But there are No vents or caps.......HMMMM, now I'm wondering...thanks....I've been sleeping right over it.

headborg · Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 1211

http://v8sho.com/SHO/replacement%20Battery.htm

there you go..some "light reading"

I can't keep quiet on this subject. I've worked for GNB Batteries (Gould) for 27 years. We make industrial batteries here in Illinois. The batteries in the SHO are made by GNB in Dallas Tx., Shreveport La, or Dunmore Pa. They are a silver/cadmium alloy originally developed for the Seawolf submarine. This alloy is made to take a lot of heat and is good for desert conditions also. The Optima battery (cadmium alloy) is a sealed recombinant design developed by GNB 10 years ago for the industrial market. We make very large batteries of this design. In these batteries all the acid is absorbed in a matting surrounding each individual plate. This is how they can be classified as Non-Spillable and can be placed on their side or even upside down as there is no free acid. The ones that we make vent at 5 - 10 lbs and do not usually see this type of pressure. These are typically used as backup power for the communications industry and other critical operations.

Now, I stated they were WET- because when I shake/load/unload them--you can hear/feel the liquid inside----I might have mis-used that term.
Bob, may be right---these might be AGM batteries--hell, I don't know--I've never taken a band saw to one to see what's inside-
at the time, all i was interested in was a Battery that didn't vent(safe to put
under my bunk) I did some research- came across this Silver-Cadmium Battery and decided to go with it. I've inspected this battery very carefully--there's no vent ports- and no caps.

headborg · Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 1211

http://v8sho.com/SHO/replacement%20Battery.htm

there you go..some "light reading"

I can't keep quiet on this subject. I've worked for GNB Batteries (Gould) for 27 years. We make industrial batteries here in Illinois. The batteries in the SHO are made by GNB in Dallas Tx., Shreveport La, or Dunmore Pa. They are a silver/cadmium alloy originally developed for the Seawolf submarine. This alloy is made to take a lot of heat and is good for desert conditions also. The Optima battery (cadmium alloy) is a sealed recombinant design developed by GNB 10 years ago for the industrial market. We make very large batteries of this design. In these batteries all the acid is absorbed in a matting surrounding each individual plate. This is how they can be classified as Non-Spillable and can be placed on their side or even upside down as there is no free acid. The ones that we make vent at 5 - 10 lbs and do not usually see this type of pressure. These are typically used as backup power for the communications industry and other critical operations.

bob h · Joined: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 668 Location: Nb

headborg wrote: http://v8sho.com/SHO/replacement%20Battery.htm

there you go..some "light reading"

I can't keep quiet on this subject. I've worked for GNB Batteries (Gould) for 27 years. We make industrial batteries here in Illinois. The batteries in the SHO are made by GNB in Dallas Tx., Shreveport La, or Dunmore Pa. They are a silver/cadmium alloy originally developed for the Seawolf submarine. This alloy is made to take a lot of heat and is good for desert conditions also. The Optima battery (cadmium alloy) is a sealed recombinant design developed by GNB 10 years ago for the industrial market. We make very large batteries of this design. In these batteries all the acid is absorbed in a matting surrounding each individual plate. This is how they can be classified as Non-Spillable and can be placed on their side or even upside down as there is no free acid. The ones that we make vent at 5 - 10 lbs and do not usually see this type of pressure. These are typically used as backup power for the communications industry and other critical operations.

You're serious ???

Your only support comes from "some guy" on a "Ford Taurus enthusiasts site" ??

... come on, give me a break !?!

headborg · Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 1211

bob h wrote: headborg wrote: http://v8sho.com/SHO/replacement%20Battery.htm

there you go..some "light reading"

I can't keep quiet on this subject. I've worked for GNB Batteries (Gould) for 27 years. We make industrial batteries here in Illinois. The batteries in the SHO are made by GNB in Dallas Tx., Shreveport La, or Dunmore Pa. They are a silver/cadmium alloy originally developed for the Seawolf submarine. This alloy is made to take a lot of heat and is good for desert conditions also. The Optima battery (cadmium alloy) is a sealed recombinant design developed by GNB 10 years ago for the industrial market. We make very large batteries of this design. In these batteries all the acid is absorbed in a matting surrounding each individual plate. This is how they can be classified as Non-Spillable and can be placed on their side or even upside down as there is no free acid. The ones that we make vent at 5 - 10 lbs and do not usually see this type of pressure. These are typically used as backup power for the communications industry and other critical operations.

You're serious ???

Your only support comes from "some guy" on a "Ford Taurus enthusiasts site" ??

... come on, give me a break !?!

No..I have work to do.....that's by no means the "only support" I could come up with" just the quickest---and I'm tired of bothering with arguing with a mechanic whose only concerned about not being able to admit--that maybe--he's knowledge of how a Battery(lead-acid) works--might not apply to ALL battery chemistry---you're a mechanic right? not a chemist?
Haven't you EVER had to go back into SCHOOL to learn how to deal with
NEWER TECHNOLOGY?

I'm not a mechanic, and I'm not a chemistist---but I did go through 5 years of College.
You wanted to know what brand of battery I had---
I supplied the name: GNB Champion Silver-Cadmium
then I googled GNB and found that article:

It seems to support-----your conclusion that AGM batteries are the only truely "sealed" batteries--you made several post earlier. And it seems to
validate the fact I can turn my battery upside down and nothing leaks out/there's no vents.

Now, is it possible that MAYBE they combined the two technologies---silver-cadmium & advanced Glass-matting (with o2 recombination inside the battery)?

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