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mrgrim
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 2:15 pm Post subject: Jump Start? |
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| I have a 04 pete 387 that needs a jump start.She will try hard to turn over once very slow but thats it.Im a newb and need to know how to jump her off my F150.With a multi batt setup Im not shure how to do it or if my little F150 can. |
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Fredog
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Location: North Georgia
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 2:27 pm Post subject: Re: Jump Start? |
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mrgrim wrote: I have a 04 pete 387 that needs a jump start.She will try hard to turn over once very slow but thats it.Im a newb and need to know how to jump her off my F150.With a multi batt setup Im not shure how to do it or if my little F150 can.
find the main positive and negative cables, (The positive that goes to the starter and the negative that goes to the ground) and jump it from there, you can also use 2 vehicles and 2 sets of cables, just hook the second set to another positive and negative, be careful, you can do a lot of damage if you get it wrong. |
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jorlee
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
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Location: Scranton, North Dakota
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| Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Also make sure the battery connections are all tight. Take a wrench and check tightness, may turn just a few degrees. A transport driver for out mill has had that happen a fews times, just tightens them up a little and it takes right off. |
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Blind Driver
Joined: 12 Apr 2006
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Location: New Albany, IN
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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This is the time of year when any electrical problems will make their presence known.
Check the water level in all the batteries.
Take off the battery cables and clean the cable end, as well as the battery post. If you notice any cable making "crunching" noises, replace it. There is corrosion in the cable. Also check the ends for corosion. If any part of the cable has a bulge in it, that's probably corrosion as well.
Clean the connection at the starter from the batteries. Be sure to disconnect the negative side of the batteries or you will be in for a big surprise :wink: |
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SteveBooth
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| Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| I jumped my truck off my Mustang car batteries. Just hook the jumper cables up to any one of your batteries. Have someone in the car and rev up the engine. Wait about 10 minutes then let her rip. |
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headborg
Joined: 06 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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Blind Driver wrote: This is the time of year when any electrical problems will make their presence known.
Check the water level in all the batteries.
Take off the battery cables and clean the cable end, as well as the battery post. If you notice any cable making "crunching" noises, replace it. There is corrosion in the cable. Also check the ends for corosion. If any part of the cable has a bulge in it, that's probably corrosion as well.
Clean the connection at the starter from the batteries. Be sure to disconnect the negative side of the batteries or you will be in for a big surprise :wink:
Check the water level in the batteries?????what the frack!
you mean the acid level don't you......
man you running some old "wet" batteries!!!! lead core batterie-- those haven't been used in years. |
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bob h
Joined: 15 Oct 2006
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Location: Nb
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:25 am Post subject: |
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headborg wrote: Blind Driver wrote: This is the time of year when any electrical problems will make their presence known.
Check the water level in all the batteries.
Take off the battery cables and clean the cable end, as well as the battery post. If you notice any cable making "crunching" noises, replace it. There is corrosion in the cable. Also check the ends for corosion. If any part of the cable has a bulge in it, that's probably corrosion as well.
Clean the connection at the starter from the batteries. Be sure to disconnect the negative side of the batteries or you will be in for a big surprise :wink:
Check the water level in the batteries?????what the frack!
you mean the acid level don't you......
man you running some old "wet" batteries!!!! lead core batterie-- those haven't been used in years.
Q. Why do you check the acid level ??
A. To determine whether or not you need to add water to the solution ... thus the statement "check the water".
You can check the water in most modern batteries... unless they specify; "maintenance-free".
Unless you're running gel cells or AGMs, you have wet-cell batteries as well. |
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headborg
Joined: 06 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:52 am Post subject: |
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bob h wrote: headborg wrote: Blind Driver wrote: This is the time of year when any electrical problems will make their presence known.
Check the water level in all the batteries.
Take off the battery cables and clean the cable end, as well as the battery post. If you notice any cable making "crunching" noises, replace it. There is corrosion in the cable. Also check the ends for corosion. If any part of the cable has a bulge in it, that's probably corrosion as well.
Clean the connection at the starter from the batteries. Be sure to disconnect the negative side of the batteries or you will be in for a big surprise :wink:
Check the water level in the batteries?????what the frack!
you mean the acid level don't you......
man you running some old "wet" batteries!!!! lead core batterie-- those haven't been used in years.
Q. Why do you check the acid level ??
A. To determine whether or not you need to add water to the solution ... thus the statement "check the water".
You can check the water in most modern batteries... unless they specify; "maintenance-free".
Unless you're running gel cells or AGMs, you have wet-cell batteries as well.
well all of my batteries are SEALED silver-cadmium batteries---no vent caps and where as I know they are "wet cell"---they are not Lead-acid//and are sealed with no way to "add water"-----which isn't recommended unless you run around with a jug of distilled water on you.
most people add--fresh electrolyte
except MacGyver---I watched him add RED WINE to some dead batteries and bring them back to life. |
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bob h
Joined: 15 Oct 2006
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Location: Nb
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:39 am Post subject: |
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headborg wrote: bob h wrote: headborg wrote: Blind Driver wrote: This is the time of year when any electrical problems will make their presence known.
Check the water level in all the batteries.
Take off the battery cables and clean the cable end, as well as the battery post. If you notice any cable making "crunching" noises, replace it. There is corrosion in the cable. Also check the ends for corosion. If any part of the cable has a bulge in it, that's probably corrosion as well.
Clean the connection at the starter from the batteries. Be sure to disconnect the negative side of the batteries or you will be in for a big surprise :wink:
Check the water level in the batteries?????what the frack!
you mean the acid level don't you......
man you running some old "wet" batteries!!!! lead core batterie-- those haven't been used in years.
Q. Why do you check the acid level ??
A. To determine whether or not you need to add water to the solution ... thus the statement "check the water".
You can check the water in most modern batteries... unless they specify; "maintenance-free".
Unless you're running gel cells or AGMs, you have wet-cell batteries as well.
well all of my batteries are SEALED silver-cadmium batteries---no vent caps and where as I know they are "wet cell"---they are not Lead-acid//and are sealed with no way to "add water"-----which isn't recommended unless you run around with a jug of distilled water on you.
most people add--fresh electrolyte.
You better check on that statement; there might be mechanics on this site, and they would certainly be aware that's incorrect.
When wet cell batteries go through gassing cycles they lose water... not H2SO4. Batteries are only filled with electrolyte when they are new. |
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bob h
Joined: 15 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:45 am Post subject: |
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headborg wrote: bob h wrote: headborg wrote: Blind Driver wrote: This is the time of year when any electrical problems will make their presence known.
Check the water level in all the batteries.
Take off the battery cables and clean the cable end, as well as the battery post. If you notice any cable making "crunching" noises, replace it. There is corrosion in the cable. Also check the ends for corosion. If any part of the cable has a bulge in it, that's probably corrosion as well.
Clean the connection at the starter from the batteries. Be sure to disconnect the negative side of the batteries or you will be in for a big surprise :wink:
Check the water level in the batteries?????what the frack!
you mean the acid level don't you......
man you running some old "wet" batteries!!!! lead core batterie-- those haven't been used in years.
Q. Why do you check the acid level ??
A. To determine whether or not you need to add water to the solution ... thus the statement "check the water".
You can check the water in most modern batteries... unless they specify; "maintenance-free".
Unless you're running gel cells or AGMs, you have wet-cell batteries as well.
well all of my batteries are SEALED silver-cadmium batteries---no vent caps and where as I know they are "wet cell"---they are not Lead-acid//and are......
They ARE lead acid batteries.
They use an electrolyte solution (H2SO4 (acid) & H2O (water)) with lead cell plates... those cell plates are strengthened by silver and/or cadmium depending if they are "low-" or "no-" maintenance. |
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bob h
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:51 am Post subject: |
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headborg wrote: bob h wrote: headborg wrote: Blind Driver wrote: This is the time of year when any electrical problems will make their presence known.
Check the water level in all the batteries.
Take off the battery cables and clean the cable end, as well as the battery post. If you notice any cable making "crunching" noises, replace it. There is corrosion in the cable. Also check the ends for corosion. If any part of the cable has a bulge in it, that's probably corrosion as well.
Clean the connection at the starter from the batteries. Be sure to disconnect the negative side of the batteries or you will be in for a big surprise :wink:
Check the water level in the batteries?????what the frack!
you mean the acid level don't you......
man you running some old "wet" batteries!!!! lead core batterie-- those haven't been used in years.
Q. Why do you check the acid level ??
A. To determine whether or not you need to add water to the solution ... thus the statement "check the water".
You can check the water in most modern batteries... unless they specify; "maintenance-free".
Unless you're running gel cells or AGMs, you have wet-cell batteries as well.
well all of my batteries are SEALED silver-cadmium batteries---no vent caps .....
Many battery manufacturers claim; sealed, no-maintenance batteries. However, on the majority of those you will find 2 vent manifolds beneath the label/sticker... which can be removed to allow the battery to be serviced ...
... why would a battery manufacturer want you to add water to a battery ? |
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Creek Jackson
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:16 am Post subject: |
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Lead-acid batteries must be vented. The batteries produce hydrogen gas when they are being charged. If not allowed to vent, they become very dangerous items.
The battery manufacturers advertise sealed batteries. But they all have a hole in them somewhere. Flip a "sealed" battery upside down and see what dribbles out.
Creek |
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bob h
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:20 am Post subject: |
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Creek Jackson wrote: Lead-acid batteries must be vented. The batteries produce hydrogen gas when they are being charged. If not allowed to vent, they become very dangerous items.
The battery manufacturers advertise sealed batteries. But they all have a hole in them somewhere. Flip a "sealed" battery upside down and see what dribbles out.
Creek
Gel cells and AGMs are truly sealed... they have a diaghragm and a pressure relief valve in case something goes awry. |
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Creek Jackson
Joined: 27 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:23 am Post subject: |
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bob h wrote: Creek Jackson wrote: Lead-acid batteries must be vented. The batteries produce hydrogen gas when they are being charged. If not allowed to vent, they become very dangerous items.
The battery manufacturers advertise sealed batteries. But they all have a hole in them somewhere. Flip a "sealed" battery upside down and see what dribbles out.
Creek
Gel cells and AGMs are truly sealed... they have a diaghragm and a pressure relief valve in case something goes awry.
I agree, but note, I stated "lead-acid". :) |
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headborg
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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Creek Jackson wrote: Lead-acid batteries must be vented. The batteries produce hydrogen gas when they are being charged. If not allowed to vent, they become very dangerous items.
The battery manufacturers advertise sealed batteries. But they all have a hole in them somewhere. Flip a "sealed" battery upside down and see what dribbles out.
Creek
I did my research--before I placed extra batteries under by bunk---
new technology Bob: Silver-cadmium batteries were developed FIRST for use by Nasa--- they had a problem--Satallites in orbit were for some reason--getting slighly out of position.. It was discovered:::
As Creek Jackson pointed out above----lead/acid batteries give off--hydrogen gas---this gas was acting as a propellent in space.
Silver-Cadmium batteries use no lead in them--and produce NO HCL gas--
thus require no venting-
Do some research yourself.
also Google "adding tap water to batteries" will result in finding
that this practice ---shortens the life span of a battery--
you either use "distilled water" or you add New electrolite---they sell it at AutoZone.
@creek Jackson---I can turn my Sealed Wet Silver-Cadmium Heavy Duty Truck Battery purchased from Peterbuilt $89.00 several year ago----upside
down or any end---nothing comes out--and the label wore off years ago...no holes now how is this possible?
You have to take University Chemistry -----
lead-acid battery:
contains sulfric acid & water--- which is what makes up the electrolite
they are vented because they gas which is correct.
the flaw in What Happens to the "water level" is the problem.
It doesn't evaporate-----the O atoms ionize to the lead plate--
which then leaves the H2-free as a gas atom= hyrogen gas!
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silver cadmium battery doesn't have lead plates-
the O atoms don't ionize to them---no gas discharge-- hence no venting needed.
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back to the lead-acid battery:
tap water???
contains????
usually--clorine
now when you add tap water to a battery:
you introduce a new gas discharge along with the explosive Hydrogen gas
you also discharge clorine gas
SEE: WWI( clorine gas is also called Mustard Gas and killed many soldiers during WWI
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Submarines Use Batteries
Submarines carry people that don't want to be gassed with mustard gas.
The Navy never used Tap water in it's batteries-wonder why?
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During WWI & WWII--subs had to surface to vent the hydrogen gas.
When the Navy head about Nasa's little problem with Orbital wobble--caused by gas discharged from the batteries---and that the Brains
at Nasa were now going to try to Engineer a solution----
they said---Hey, we sure could use whatever you come up with too
Now Subs can stay down longer. |
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