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wildkat · Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject:

Guilty conscience Rev?

:shock: :shock: :shock:

Rev.Vassago · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 5197 Location: Green Bay, WI

wildkat wrote: Guilty conscience Rev?

:shock: :shock: :shock:

I have no conscience. You should know that by now. :wink:

golfhobo · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:23 am Post subject:

Roses said: (quoting me)

Quote: Quote: I'm not sure, I COULD be wrong, but I think you want acceptance (like you got from your father) and UNDERSTANDING (like you got from your Mother) and you want a companion who will treat you like an EQUAL.... but CHERISH you like you were SPECIAL!

You couldn't be farther from the truth --- I was physically beaten until 6 months before I got married, I could never talk,walk,sing, or anything good enough for my mother .... my childhood was like the ones everyone hides from the public ... and worse - but I dont' intend to air anything else to the world. I was taught what goes on behind the family doors stay there. and Yes - sadly it does affect us in our adult life .... So if I appear to get defensive to You, Rev, and Slimland .. sorry dudes ... this girl doesnt intend to be torn apart anymore ... This chick isn't playing the game anymore :roll: .... :wink:

Roses.... I APOLOGIZE! I'm sure I should have known, but didn't remember, that you didn't have the NORMAL view of your parents. MY MOTHER was likewise abused (by her mother) and I KNOW all the horror stories. But, somehow.... I tend to forget about them when GENERALIZING what "women" (in general) might want in a man. Had I been specifically addressing my comments to YOU.... and not the entire thread audience.... I might have said.....

"I'm not sure, I COULD be wrong, but I think you want acceptance (like you DIDN'T GET from your father) and UNDERSTANDING (like you DIDN'T GET from your Mother) and you want a companion who will treat you like an EQUAL.... "

But, you see.... regardless of what YOU got, my point was about what you want! And I mean YOU and ALL women! But, again.... I apologize if I stirred up old wounds. That was NOT my intention!

Quote: I didn't know the topic was - lets find out how Roses might think and then tear it apart. :shock: ..... it doesn't take this lady long to realize that I should keep my opinions to myself. I'll go play in someone elses yard for a while. :wink:

You're right.... that was NOT the topic. It was NEVER "about" you! You were just ONE of many giving their opinions. I respond ONLY to opinions... and NOT to the PERSON. If by doing so, I FORGET the personal involvement or feelings of the one who posted them, and this causes you any pain..... I APOLOGIZE. This is (in part) a discussion about the HONESTY of MALES. YOUR input is a valuable as ANYONE'S.... but it becomes part of the whole discussion, and therefore is treated ( by ME anyway ) as a THEORETICAL viewpoint with which I either AGREE or DEBATE. You didn't think I would let this thread go as just a "man bashing" thread, did you? :roll: :wink:

I am SORRY for the way you were treated (by BOTH sexes.) But, I am not responsible. It occurs to me that YOU, more than some, might have something to learn from the honest discussions and opinions of myself and other males here. But, learning can sometimes be painful. Especially, when experiences are RAW.

I, for one, would have appreciated it MORE had you just pointed out that not ALL women come from the SAME "pollyanic" mold I alluded to, and ASKED me what I felt about THAT.... rather than throw a tantrum because "I" as a MAN didn't UNDERSTAND everything about where you were coming from. That is OFTEN the problem in relationships! Men are men.... and women are COMPLEX! :lol:

As a point of interest, there are MEN out there who have been both sexually and physically abused by their parents, TOO! But.... for years, no one really cared! And, unfortunately..... given the sexual component, there are many MORE women who have been! Life SUX!!

But this is NOT your parents' generation! Men of TODAY are more aware! Surely, there are still way too many who don't KNOW... or don't CARE.... but, the majority of us DO! So, I ask again....

Quote: Let me ask YOU to be honest for a moment. What do YOU want in a man? Honesty? Maybe.... but, do you REALLY want him to tell you how you look in that dress? Perfection? You will ONLY feel unworthy and jealous of every other woman he meets!

And, I'll rephrase this...

I'm not sure, I COULD be wrong, but I think [most women] want acceptance (like THEY got from THEIR father) and UNDERSTANDING (like THEY got from THEIR Mother) and THEY want a companion who will treat THEM like an EQUAL.... but CHERISH THEM like THEY were SPECIAL! Like a Diamond amongst the rarest of gems, and a ROSE amongst a field of Wildflowers!

RebelDarlin · Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Posts: 1284 Location: Illinois

We all have our 'buttons' that get pushed sometimes. When it happens in a venue like this, it takes us by surprise. This is supposed to be 'anonymous' after all, so when something hits us in one of our weak spots, it can feel like that anononimity has been stripped and we take it personally.

There are a number of topics on here lately that have been taken far too personally. I guess there is such a thing as "too honest".

golfhobo · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:49 am Post subject:

The Rev said:

Quote: Which brings me back to my point that if that is how you believe everyone is, then that is all you will see, regardless of what the truth is. The key is realizing that everyone isn't the same, and learning to move beyond those stereotypes caused by past trauma.

And, it appears, that many of YOU (women) misunderstood him. Like Kat... at the risk of defending the REV again.... he is NOT being insensitive or a bully!

For4Roses sees men (apparently) through HER "rose colored glasses." And ALL of us see others through the LENS of our "experiences."

The Rev is only pointing this out. I KNOW things are a bit "slow" on the other forums right now, but I've NEVER known the Rev to come to this forum JUST to stir up trouble. He is a man of VERY few words.... mostly confrontational.... but ALWAYS designed to make one THINK! He won't like me saying this but..... he does have a 'soft' side! He showed it in his HONEST response to the question of this thread. In fact.... I believe that the vast majority of the men who post throughout this website are intelligent and compassionate men! And by shear statistics, this cannot be an anomaly!

The obvious inference is, that there are Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of REAL "honest" men out there! If you haven't FOUND one yet... perhaps you (women in general) need to get new GLASSES! :roll: :lol:

Now..... if I could JUST find an "HONEST" woman out there somewhere!?? :wink:

RebelDarlin · Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Posts: 1284 Location: Illinois

golfhobo wrote: The Rev said:

Quote: Which brings me back to my point that if that is how you believe everyone is, then that is all you will see, regardless of what the truth is. The key is realizing that everyone isn't the same, and learning to move beyond those stereotypes caused by past trauma.

And, it appears, that many of YOU (women) misunderstood him. Like Kat... at the risk of defending the REV again.... he is NOT being insensitive or a bully!

As I said I wasn't calling anyone in particular a bully. My point to Roses was, if you feel bullied, just ignore it. Rev often comes off as a 'bully" because of his extreme bluntness. Trust me, I understand that! :twisted:

For4Roses sees men (apparently) through HER "rose colored glasses." And ALL of us see others through the LENS of our "experiences."

The Rev is only pointing this out. I KNOW things are a bit "slow" on the other forums right now, but I've NEVER known the Rev to come to this forum JUST to stir up trouble. He is a man of VERY few words.... mostly confrontational.... but ALWAYS designed to make one THINK! He won't like me saying this but..... he does have a 'soft' side! He showed it in his HONEST response to the question of this thread. In fact.... I believe that the vast majority of the men who post throughout this website are intelligent and compassionate men! And by shear statistics, this cannot be an anomaly!

The obvious inference is, that there are Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of REAL "honest" men out there! If you haven't FOUND one yet... perhaps you (women in general) need to get new GLASSES! :roll: :lol:

Now..... if I could JUST find an "HONEST" woman out there somewhere!?? :wink:
You probably already have but she had a fat a$$! :twisted:

Rev.Vassago · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 5197 Location: Green Bay, WI

RebelDarlin wrote:
Rev often comes off as a 'bully" because of his extreme bluntness. Trust me, I understand that! :twisted:

I won't disagree with that. I've always said that I'm blunt, and I will never apologize for being that way. That's how I am. I can understand how some feel that makes me appear as a "bully", but it really only means that what I do believe in, I believe with conviction. I do have a soft side, but that soft side is just as straightforward as every other side of me. I take pride in the fact that I never beat around the bush, and will always back up what I say and believe in.

Many of those who have come to understand that this is how I am have found me to be a really good friend. Some of those same people end up regretting it, because I will always tell them when I disagree with what they are doing, and why I disagree with it. That attitude has put a strain on some of my friendships as of late (with certain members of this very message board). I will, however, never apologize for believing what I believe, because there is always a reason why I believe it.

I'm really not a bad guy. I just play one on the internet. :wink:

golfhobo · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:13 am Post subject:

Quote: I guess there is such a thing as "too honest".

Thanks, Reb. That is a point I've been trying to make.

Men are not real good at "compartmentalizing." We sometimes don't know when "honest" is NOT what you (women) want to hear! In fact, we've been "taught" to tell you what you WANT to hear! And.... WHO taught us that? :shock: :roll:

Furthermore, after being taught THAT all our lives, we are disarmed when we meet a truly HONEST woman.... one who can accept the truth!

That picture you posted ( I think it was you ) of the man with his belly faling out from under his T-shirt.... that struck me as a dichotomy! I see SO MANY WOMEN these days that look like that! WTF???? Don't you CARE about the way you look anymore? Do you think I'm gonna accept that? Not unless I'M 200 lbs overweight and have NO OTHER options! :roll:

[And I believe that standard should apply both ways!]

I CANNOT change the "social" or "biological" FACT that MEN are "visual" and women are "mental." I go BACK to previous posts where I stated that women will (and should) consider a man's intellect and/or physical attributes when choosing a mate (for the socialization of the species) and MEN are disposed to consider the sexual attractiveness of a female for the SAME! I didn't make the rules! Email your objections to Darwin!!

But, in today's world, it is almost impossible for a man, who is evolved, to find a woman with an intellectually provocative MIND, who hasn't let her BODY fall into sexual decay! It's as if Women's LIB gave you a license to get FAT!

There are STILL "unevolved" men out there who will pay sexual tribute to anything that BREATHES! But, they have the HONESTY level of a RABBIT!

But, if you want one that RESPECTS you, you need to understand the complex relationship between sexual neccessity and intellectual honesty!

In short, an "evolved" man, needs BOTH sexual "visual" attraction, AND intellectual companionship! There..... THAT'S the truth..... (as I understand it.) And again.... I believe THAT standard applies BOTH ways!

If you want to be TREATED like a princess, you need to LOOK like one! That is the fairly tale WE were taught! If you want a PRINCE CHARMING to come rescue you, you need to realize that beneath that armour, he may not have "ripped abs!" But, he will have courage, strength and a committment to purpose.

The biggest LIE propogated on the female population today, is that "we are all beautiful INSIDE!" Bullchit! MEN don't get to KNOW you "inside" until they've been attracted to your OUTSIDE! That is truth..... that is honesty!

And when SOME find this out, they turn instead to WOMEN for that "acceptance" because it is EASIER than situps! Others will find men who want only ONE thing.... and don't CARE how it's wrapeed! Is that enough honesty for you?

Again..... I did NOT make the RULES!! I am telling you what I know to be the honest truth. If a woman does not maintain an overall appearance of attractiveness, she will attract "dishonest" men who will tell her anything to get what they want.... because THEY are the type of man who wants only ONE thing!

An HONEST man, who has ANY pride, will look for a "farily" attractive woman, and THEN...... will attempt to get to KNOW her if he is looking for more than a "roll in the Peterbuilt Bunk!"

This is not rocket science, people! If your "possible" mate for the night... or a lifetime.... doesn't ask questions about WHO you are, and WHAT you believe..... he/she is "honestly" only looking for a quickie!

But, in failing to do so, they have "honestly" imparted their intentions.

After 20 minutes or so of this, it is up to YOU to decide what happens next.... and what happens next is dependant on YOUR "honesty."

YOU women are STILL in control..... but you attract the type of men you DESERVE! If you don't CARE about yourselves, why should HE?

On the other hand.... if you LOOK like a Playboy Bunny, your task is harder. You will attract EVERY man, and YOU must determine which ones are attracted by your MIND!

For the few who actually LOOK like this, and CARE..... That will be in chapter 13, and the price is now $31.95 :lol: :lol:

RebelDarlin · Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Posts: 1284 Location: Illinois

Rev.Vassago wrote: RebelDarlin wrote:
Rev often comes off as a 'bully" because of his extreme bluntness. Trust me, I understand that! :twisted:

I won't disagree with that. I've always said that I'm blunt, and I will never apologize for being that way. That's how I am. I can understand how some feel that makes me appear as a "bully", but it really only means that what I do believe in, I believe with conviction. I do have a soft side, but that soft side is just as straightforward as every other side of me. I take pride in the fact that I never beat around the bush, and will always back up what I say and believe in.

Many of those who have come to understand that this is how I am have found me to be a really good friend. Some of those same people end up regretting it, because I will always tell them when I disagree with what they are doing, and why I disagree with it. That attitude has put a strain on some of my friendships as of late (with certain members of this very message board). I will, however, never apologize for believing what I believe, because there is always a reason why I believe it.

I'm really not a bad guy. I just play one on the internet. :wink:

Like I said, I understand. I've always been told that I am too blunt. And my few close friends, appreciate that about me (most of the time). They may not always like what I say, but they usually know that I'm being honest about it. My family on the other hand, has never understood that. they just think I'm "a cold hearted beyotch". Whatever!

At least on here I can edit myself sometimes. :wink:

golfhobo · Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:48 am Post subject:

REB said:

Quote: At least on here I can edit myself sometimes.

Sometimes??? You "edit" your avatar more often than I change my "undies!" :lol:

But, I wnet to your myspace page, and I "believe" that is the real you. I saw it once on here (for about 10 hours) and I like it!

Now.... how fat IS that azz? You KNOW I'm a man who understands compromise! :wink:

Even Darwin revised his theory once or twice! :wink:

RebelDarlin · Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Posts: 1284 Location: Illinois

golfhobo wrote: Quote: I guess there is such a thing as "too honest".

Thanks, Reb. That is a point I've been trying to make.

Yes and honesty sometimes 'hurts'. Some people have to dig really deep into themselves and strip away the emotions to see what's really there. Some people never learn to do that, and turn away from people who can.

Men are not real good at "compartmentalizing." We sometimes don't know when "honest" is NOT what you (women) want to hear! In fact, we've been "taught" to tell you what you WANT to hear! And.... WHO taught us that? :shock: :roll:

Furthermore, after being taught THAT all our lives, we are disarmed when we meet a truly HONEST woman.... one who can accept the truth!

That picture you posted ( I think it was you ) of the man with his belly faling out from under his T-shirt.... that struck me as a dichotomy! I see SO MANY WOMEN these days that look like that! WTF???? Don't you CARE about the way you look anymore? Do you think I'm gonna accept that? Not unless I'M 200 lbs overweight and have NO OTHER options! :roll:

Obesity is at epidemic levels in this country for both sexes. Guess we're going back to the medieval idea that the wealthier people are the fattest. JK :wink:

[And I believe that standard should apply both ways!]

I CANNOT change the "social" or "biological" FACT that MEN are "visual" and women are "mental." I go BACK to previous posts where I stated that women will (and should) consider a man's intellect and/or physical attributes when choosing a mate (for the socialization of the species) and MEN are disposed to consider the sexual attractiveness of a female for the SAME! I didn't make the rules! Email your objections to Darwin!!

Darwin is dead and I'm not sure even he would understand the male/female dynamic of today, (because we have screwed it up so badly). So do those rules still hold true if you are not looking for a mate to propagate the species? At my age and stage in life, what I am looking for has changed drastically from when I was younger.

But, in today's world, it is almost impossible for a man, who is evolved, to find a woman with an intellectually provocative MIND, who hasn't let her BODY fall into sexual decay! It's as if Women's LIB gave you a license to get FAT!

Again, goes both ways.

There are STILL "unevolved" men out there who will pay sexual tribute to anything that BREATHES! But, they have the HONESTY level of a RABBIT!

But, if you want one that RESPECTS you, you need to understand the complex relationship between sexual neccessity and intellectual honesty!

In short, an "evolved" man, needs BOTH sexual "visual" attraction, AND intellectual companionship! There..... THAT'S the truth..... (as I understand it.) And again.... I believe THAT standard applies BOTH ways!

Exactly!!! But there is far more pressure, in our society, on women to be a size 0! The constant bombardment by the media of these idealized women has crossed the line into abusive. Do you have any idea of thenumber of young girls who have eating disorders because of this? You don't hear about many males having that problem, do you? The very fact that Sports Illustrated has a "Swimsuit Issue" focuses on the "sex sells" mentality of our society. C'mon it's a sports magazine. And the so-called womens magazines are no better. They glorify the anorexic, fake boobed women! So how does a "normal" woman compete with that? My daughter has this on her MySpace
Marilyn Monroe, still considered one of the sexiest women to ever work in film, was a size 14. (No really! It's true!) In fact, in some of her best-known films (Love Happy, Some Like It Hot) she got up to a size 16. Mae West, who was also considered an incredibly sexy, sensual, attractive woman during her heyday (during the flapper era no less) was the equivalent of a size 18. Two excellent examples of how astonishingly, amazingly beautiful so-called "plus-sized" women can be.
Now, the flip side...

The current average dress size of a Hollywood actress is (turn your head if you're squeamish) a size 2. A SIZE 2! Some of the "bigger" actresses get up to a size 4, many are as small as a size 0...

To put this in perspective...

According to the Victoria's Secret catalog (long a bastion of unrealistic and unreasonable expectations of women's bodies... although I do admit to shopping there sometimes myself) a ladies' size 2 measures as follows: Bust: 32 Waist:23 Hip: 33

For purposes of comparison, I looked around in a few other catalogs to see just how big a size 2 really is. Here's a sobering realization for everybody: the waist measurement of a size 2 dress (23 inches) is also the waist measurement for another size: a 4T! (That is, for the non-maternal among us, an article of clothing designed to fit a normal 4-year-old child.)

The reality of a size 4T (to make this even scarier) is that few four year old children wear a 4T -- more like 2.5 - 3 year olds. I'm a mom and have lots of friends who have children -- none of our kids, wore a 4T at age 4. They were all closer to 3 years of age.
So, children who are barely out of diapers have the same waist size as many Hollywood stars. That is scary!

If you want to be TREATED like a princess, you need to LOOK like one! That is the fairly tale WE were taught! If you want a PRINCE CHARMING to come rescue you, you need to realize that beneath that armour, he may not have "ripped abs!" But, he will have courage, strength and a committment to purpose.

The biggest LIE propogated on the female population today, is that "we are all beautiful INSIDE!" Bullchit! MEN don't get to KNOW you "inside" until they've been attracted to your OUTSIDE! That is truth..... that is honesty!

How true! But again, goes both ways!

And when SOME find this out, they turn instead to WOMEN for that "acceptance" because it is EASIER than situps! Others will find men who want only ONE thing.... and don't CARE how it's wrapeed! Is that enough honesty for you?

Again..... I did NOT make the RULES!! I am telling you what I know to be the honest truth. If a woman does not maintain an overall appearance of attractiveness, she will attract "dishonest" men who will tell her anything to get what they want.... because THEY are the type of man who wants only ONE thing!

An HONEST man, who has ANY pride, will look for a "farily" attractive woman, and THEN...... will attempt to get to KNOW her if he is looking for more than a "roll in the Peterbuilt Bunk!"

This is not rocket science, people! If your "possible" mate for the night... or a lifetime.... doesn't ask questions about WHO you are, and WHAT you believe..... he/she is "honestly" only looking for a quickie!

But, in failing to do so, they have "honestly" imparted their intentions.

After 20 minutes or so of this, it is up to YOU to decide what happens next.... and what happens next is dependant on YOUR "honesty."

YOU women are STILL in control..... but you attract the type of men you DESERVE! If you don't CARE about yourselves, why should HE?

On the other hand.... if you LOOK like a Playboy Bunny, your task is harder. You will attract EVERY man, and YOU must determine which ones are attracted by your MIND!

For the few who actually LOOK like this, and CARE..... That will be in chapter 13, and the price is now $31.95 :lol: :lol:

More Later I have to go to work!

RebelDarlin · Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Posts: 1284 Location: Illinois

golfhobo wrote: REB said:

Quote: At least on here I can edit myself sometimes.

Sometimes??? You "edit" your avatar more often than I change my "undies!" :lol:

Yeah I know. I get bored easily and I too am a visual person, and I'm not always crazy about my own pics, so I don't leave them up long.

But, I wnet to your myspace page, and I "believe" that is the real you. I saw it once on here (for about 10 hours) and I like it!

Now.... how fat IS that azz? You KNOW I'm a man who understands compromise! :wink:

There are lots of pics of me on my MySpace page, 2 albums as a matter of fact, mostly old pics, but a few current ones. And thank you BTW! There are no pictures of my azz however, because even if they did exist, I wouldn't post them online. :shock:

Even Darwin revised his theory once or twice! :wink:

golfhobo · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:26 am Post subject:

Quote: There are lots of pics of me on my MySpace page, 2 albums as a matter of fact, mostly old pics, but a few current ones. And thank you BTW! There are no pictures of my azz however, because even if they did exist, I wouldn't post them online.

I don't think I'm allowed to see them unless you "add" me to your list. C'mon, Reb..... you KNOW you want to ADD me!! :lol:

RebelDarlin · Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Posts: 1284 Location: Illinois

golfhobo wrote: Quote: There are lots of pics of me on my MySpace page, 2 albums as a matter of fact, mostly old pics, but a few current ones. And thank you BTW! There are no pictures of my azz however, because even if they did exist, I wouldn't post them online.

I don't think I'm allowed to see them unless you "add" me to your list. C'mon, Reb..... you KNOW you want to ADD me!! :lol:

My page is public, and so are the pics. If you have a MySpace you can Add me as a Friend. Otherwise I think all you have to do is click on the pics link under my picture.

BTW you do know the current avatar isn't me right?

golfhobo · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:47 pm Post subject:

Reb said:

Quote: Yes and honesty sometimes 'hurts'. Some people have to dig really deep into themselves and strip away the emotions to see what's really there. Some people never learn to do that, and turn away from people who can.

Uh Oh.... I think you just went above my pay grade! :lol: Seriously, I think I know just what you mean. I'm not saying anything about anyone ELSE..... but, I know that I am brutally honest with myself! And, yes.... it hurts. I have avoided relationships with women for nearly 15 years now, because I KNOW that I am not able to give what is necessary! In fact, I am probably MORE of a danger to women than the "dishonest" male is! Because, I can FOOL you. I can make you THINK I am all you ever wanted, but someday.... the bill will come due, and I won't be able to pay it. So, out of RESPECT for any and ALL of you..... I have become a Monk! :wink:

Quote: Obesity is at epidemic levels in this country for both sexes. Guess we're going back to the medieval idea that the wealthier people are the fattest. JK :wink:

Actually, that was a good observation. However, I am more of the opinion that we are regressing to the Stone Age, where biological urges replace "desires" and we again are mating only for the most basic of necessiites. Self pride has taken a back seat. And again, we've been bombarded with psychobabble that tells us it is OKAY to rely ONLY on our "inner beauty." :roll:

Quote: Darwin is dead and I'm not sure even he would understand the male/female dynamic of today, (because we have screwed it up so badly). So do those rules still hold true if you are not looking for a mate to propagate the species? At my age and stage in life, what I am looking for has changed drastically from when I was younger.

Good question! The answer is.... absolutely NOT! If ALL one is looking for is sexual release, then with enough alcohol, anyone will do! :shock: But, even still.... if one is looking for a mate even WITHOUT the need to propagate, I suspect that "appearance" is still important. If it is NOT.... then that person is "mating" only because he/she needs a "co-driver"..... one to do the work he/she is not capable or willing to do. I, personally, don't NEED someone to cook my meals or wash my clothes... so, I will not "settle" for someone who doesn't stir my heart and passions! I OWE that to myself..... and I OWE that to HER!

Quote: Exactly!!! But there is far more pressure, in our society, on women to be a size 0! The constant bombardment by the media of these idealized women has crossed the line into abusive. Do you have any idea of the number of young girls who have eating disorders because of this?

YES.... I DO!

You don't hear about many males having that problem, do you? The very fact that Sports Illustrated has a "Swimsuit Issue" focuses on the "sex sells" mentality of our society. C'mon it's a sports magazine. And the so-called womens magazines are no better. They glorify the anorexic, fake boobed women! So how does a "normal" woman compete with that? My daughter has this on her MySpace

Some males DO succomb to this pressure, and yes.... there IS such pressure. We have to go to the gym so we'll be "ripped." We have to have hair implants, because bald isn't REALLY "beautiful!" We are bombarded by advertisements saying we need VIAGRA because 2 minutes of REAL love is not enough for you! And we have to take "extenz" because size really DOES matter! :lol: :lol: BOTH sexes are being told that being REAL isn't good enough! But, I wouldn't blame it ALL on the "media." They only REPORT the trends. HOLLYWOOD sets them! Isn't it amazing that we in America, among very FEW civilized nations, the birthplace of FREE THOUGHT, have become SLAVES to a "medium" of make-believe and fantasy? And yes....magazines are a "medium" and as such.... all of this qualifies as "The Media," but I still hold to some semblance of distinction between the NEWS media, and the rest of it.

Quote: Marilyn Monroe, still considered one of the sexiest women to ever work in film, was a size 14. (No really! It's true!) In fact, in some of her best-known films (Love Happy, Some Like It Hot) she got up to a size 16. Mae West, who was also considered an incredibly sexy, sensual, attractive woman during her heyday (during the flapper era no less) was the equivalent of a size 18. Two excellent examples of how astonishingly, amazingly beautiful so-called "plus-sized" women can be.
Now, the flip side...

The current average dress size of a Hollywood actress is (turn your head if you're squeamish) a size 2. A SIZE 2! Some of the "bigger" actresses get up to a size 4, many are as small as a size 0...

To put this in perspective...

According to the Victoria's Secret catalog (long a bastion of unrealistic and unreasonable expectations of women's bodies... although I do admit to shopping there sometimes myself) a ladies' size 2 measures as follows: Bust: 32 Waist:23 Hip: 33

For purposes of comparison, I looked around in a few other catalogs to see just how big a size 2 really is. Here's a sobering realization for everybody: the waist measurement of a size 2 dress (23 inches) is also the waist measurement for another size: a 4T! (That is, for the non-maternal among us, an article of clothing designed to fit a normal 4-year-old child.)

The reality of a size 4T (to make this even scarier) is that few four year old children wear a 4T -- more like 2.5 - 3 year olds. I'm a mom and have lots of friends who have children -- none of our kids, wore a 4T at age 4. They were all closer to 3 years of age.
So, children who are barely out of diapers have the same waist size as many Hollywood stars. That is scary!

Okay, let me see if I can address this. First off, women's "dress" sizes have CHANGED over the years. Today's size 0, was once a size 3 or more! This is a FACT! So, if you are trying to fit a SIZE.... you are fighting a losing battle! Years ago, I had a VERY attractive, and properly proportioned girlfriend who was a size 9! She was 5'7" and about 120 lbs. Everything was in the right place, and she was neither anorexic looking, NOR even the least bit "chubby!" My highschool passion was a size 5, and she was only about 5' tall and.... um.... definitely not top-heavy! But, she made it WORK by keeping her AZZ down to a reasonable size! :lol:

I would say, depending on your heighth..... a woman between size 5 and 9 (based on the OLD sizing) was just about right! But, those sizes have CHANGED, so I don't know WHAT it would be NOW! Heck with Darwin.... SUE Victoria's Secret! :lol:

Interesting, don't you think, that a MAN'S size 34 jeans have NEVER changed over the years! Either we are MORE honest.... or just bad at the "new Math!" :lol:

Now, the TODDLER sizing is a different story! And this proves my point! There IS some kind of "evolution" going on, and babies and toddlers are getting TOO BIG for their diapers! A 4T means exactly THAT! If "YOUR" toddler is wearing that size at 2-3 years, you need to adjust his/her food intake! Otherwise, by the time they are a "teen" they will be looking to Oprah to tell them it is OKAY to be FAT.... and that some Prince Charming will still find them beautiful "inside!" Problem is..... MEN DIDN'T GET THE MEMO!!! :shock: :lol:

I look around at teenage girls today (Sorry, but I can't help it!) and I am shocked and dismayed! If girls had been THAT big around the waist/belly when "I" was in school, I'd STILL be a virgin! :shock:

I REALLY don't know what is causing it! Preservatives in the food? Lack of discipline in/by the parents (US)?? "Feel good" messages by the Left Wing Liberals?? :wink: Or just plain EVOLUTION "of" the species... WITHIN the species. I don't know. But, I have noticed... and I am concerned.

The "measurements" you listed earlier.... 33-23-33 or thereabouts, have ALWAYS been the "accepted" proportions that trigger sexual passion in the male brain! That has not, and probably WILL NOT change. Mae West was sexy ( to SOME ) but "voluptous!" SOME men just like MORE cushion for the pushin! But, they are not in the majority, and (if you believe what you see in old movies,) were probably no PRIZE themselves..... and were probably PAYING for it! It IS a fact, that SOME men only have ONE brain..... and it AIN'T in their cranium! :shock: :lol:

Is THIS the kind of man you women are looking for? I don't think so. I don't believe such a "specimen" would be able to accept your equality as a driver! So.... like US..... unless YOU are somewhat decently "proportioned" and put your best "face" forward, you will have to settle for less than your dream. OR spend many years looking for that one who sees your "inner beauty" as you walk from the fuel island to the T/S!!

Again.... I don't MAKE the rules..... I just explain them! :lol:

If you want to CRY about how unfair it is..... I will JOIN you in a pool of tears! But, I KNOW why Christie Brinkley wouldn't give ME the time of day, and it has NOTHING to do with how smart I am, or how "sensitive" I am, or how POETIC I am! If THAT were ALL it took to attract the perfect woman, I'd be brokering them out to the likes of the REV!! :lol:

If you can believe all the advertisements on Sirius radio today, SIZE matters! And yes..... THAT goes both ways!!

Are there SOME out there (of both sexes) that care about more? YES!! But, they are hard to find! If you're looking for them in a Truckstop, you will HAVE to employ some of the ideas I mentioned earlier! In fact, the same ideas apply to looking for them in ANY walk of life! ANYONE who is "advertising" their goods, is trying to move a product that is not selling well! Any "bargain hunter" will tell you they had to look long and hard to FIND it! LIFE is hard work!! And we don't even get PAID for it! (CFM should probably just QUIT! :lol: :lol: )

Like my IDOL, Dennis Miller (before he defected to the Republicans) always said..... "That's just MY opinion.... I COULD be wrong!) :lol: :lol:

Oh yeah..... since I'm SURE I"ve offended someone..... my apologies in advance! I suppose I should LEARN not to be so 'honest.'

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