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allan5oh · Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:29 pm Post subject: Turbo 3000, absolute garbage!

http://cdlofit.ning.com/forum/topic/show?id=526987%3ATopic%3A51877

Wow....

allan5oh · Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject:

that didn't work, here we go :

Quote: Here we go again folks, bringing you the very best entertainment on the web. Since no one would send me one of this amazing devices to see if it works, and I couldn't get a refund, or sell mine at a give away price, I decided to see where the mystery lies within.

First of all, anyone with simple tools could build one of these for a few dollars at your local hardware store. In fact, I am going to build one over the holidays, just to keep busy. A simple piece of 1 inch black water pipe, and 2 flat pieces of aluminum plate will do the trick. You can buy a 6ft piece of the aluminum bar for $6.39 at True Value hardware. Make yourself a ton of these, for pennies on the dollar. Even that cheap Canadian dollar, in fact I bet you can buy this stuff at Canadian tire. Was thinking of you Allan.

Once the 2 small flat plates were removed, the turbo3000 is hollow. Nothing in it at all. The fittings are orificed down to 1/4 inch, .025. Probably why its a fuel restrictor. Now onto the real specs of the pieces, still looking for the mystery.

The length of the turbo3000 is 3.70 inches long, not including the brass end. With the brass end it is 4.67 inches long overall. The crossbars made of aluminum are 0.875 long, 0.625 wide and 0.13 thick. There are 2 of these identical in all dimensions. The inside of the stainless steel hollow tube is 0.870, which allows for a snug fit, and shouldn't move, which really means nothing anyways.

Now for building the turbo3000. Take one of the flat plates, stand it on end, and press it into the hollow shell. Now take the other flat plate, and make a crosshair at the top, and press it in till you reach bottom, or top of the other plate. You now have a mysterious turbo3000 that does nothing.

Now its time to thread on the brass top. Apply a small amount of oil on the O-ring, and thread it in till it bottoms out. Walla, you now have your very own turbo3000dVADA that does nothing.

After discovering the science behind it (LOL), there is absolutely NO WAY you can install this backwards. In my opinion, this is just another excuse given why it doesn't work. Oh by the way, as Roxanne claimed, maybe my magnets are weak. As far as I know, magnets are not made out of aluminum or stainless, or brass, or rubber.

It is just as I thought, it is snake oil. No science behind it whatsoever. If anyone thinks this thing works and increases fuel mileage, your brain is shorted out.

Attached are the pictures to show the non-moving parts in this amazing device. I tried my best to photograph the hollow tube, even aiming it in the sun, just hard to get a clear picture when the end is only 1/4 of an inch.

Lowboy Larry the scientist

headborg · Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 1072

now, it's hard to believe that respectable radio personalities like: Trucking Bozo & Bill Mack would pedal "snake oil"....but, I got to say--I looked at it too
and scratched my head...and wondered....

so now, let's see if I understand this "science"-----the magnets---align the molecules of the fuel....or something like that? I didn't know fuel molecules were make out of metal atoms?

Let's see--you started off by saying: No one would send you one to test?

But you bought one previously--and it didn't work??

Where does the 1 inch black water pipe come in? plastic water pipe(pvc)? or
copper?, stainless steal?

Bandit102 · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 236

well i put one on my detroit and i now get fifty seven miles per gallon and must be about 875 horsepower to the ground!!!!

actually, i do have one on the truck and saw absolutely no difference what so ever. even after the month break in. could be backwards i guess. but saying the above made me feel much better about my 200 bucks!!!!

Maniac · Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 626 Location: Northeast

Well someone should have done this long ago, thanks to Lowboy Larry, for proving what most of us knew all along 8)

I didn't know there was a "break in" period :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: makes it even funnier.

Magnetic molecules in the fuel? Think about that............. :shock:

bob h · Joined: 15 Oct 2006 Posts: 664 Location: Nb

lol, when it sounds too good to be true.....

Can't you imagine the scenario at a major engine manufacture's R & D labratory with white coats running around trying to figure out the secret behind the elusive full-flow brass fitting .... with the magic aluminum crosshairs.

GD!! ... doesn't it have to at least LOOK like it's capable of doing something ??

Splitshifter · Joined: 19 Jun 2006 Posts: 635 Location: Right here

bob h wrote: lol, when it sounds too good to be true.....

Can't you imagine the scenario at a major engine manufacture's R & D labratory with white coats running around trying to figure out the secret behind the elusive full-flow brass fitting .... with the magic aluminum crosshairs.

GD!! ... doesn't it have to at least LOOK like it's capable of doing something ??

It is capable of doing something Bob.

It's very capable of removing money from unsuspecting truck owners who don't know any better. :lol:

Jumbo · Joined: 27 Aug 2006 Posts: 708 Location: Northern Wisconsin

I was at Peterbilt in Green Bay one day when one of the salesman made the statement that "Every truck that leaves here should have one of these on because of the 10% fuel savings." Without missing a beat one of the mechanics walking by said"If the godda&* things were any good people would buy them". PRICELESS.

heavyhaulerss · Joined: 29 Jan 2007 Posts: 544 Location: north alabama

Quote: Turbo 3000, absolute garbage! say it aint soo ??? :lol:

enobeenob · Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:50 am Post subject:

Don't have to buy it to see that it is a scam.

headborg · Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 1072

I'm still trying to "grasp" the science of this thing---

let's see--you got 2 magnets--creating a magnetic field-----you pass the fuel through this weak magnetic field......and what?????

This seems to be the Patent submission:

claim:

1. In a magnetic assembly of the type adapted to be secured to a fuel line of a motor vehicle for improving the combustion of the fuel passing through the line and comprising a housing, a plurality of strong magnets disposed within the housing and arranged in two adjacent columns with at least two magnets in each column and the south poles of each magnet facing toward the wall of the housing adapted to be disposed adjacent the fuel line, and a substantially flat plate disposed within the housing against the north poles of the two uppermost magnets in each column, the improvement comprising: four secondary magnets disposed against the plate on the opposite side thereof from the strong magnets, said secondary magnets being substantially weaker in magnetic strength than the strong magnets and two of said secondary magnets being aligned over each column of the strong magnets with the south poles of said secondary magnets being disposed against the plate.

2. The improvement of claim 1 wherein said plate is constructed of a non-magnetic material and each of the strong magnets generates a magnetic field within the range of about 1,000-1,500 gauss and each of said secondary magnets generates a magnetic field within the range of about 200-300 gauss.

3. In a magnetic assembly of the type adapted to be secured to a fuel line of a motor vehicle for improving the combustion of the fuel passing through the line and comprising a housing, a plurality of strong magnets disposed within the housing and arranged in two adjacent columns with at least two magnets in each column and the south poles of each magnet facing toward the wall of the housing adapted to be disposed adjacent the fuel line, and a substantially flat plate disposed within the housing against the north poles of the two uppermost magnets in each column, the improvement comprising: four secondary magnets disposed between and in contact with the strong magnets and the plate, said secondary magnets being substantially weaker in magnetic strength than the strong magnets and two of said secondary magnets being aligned over each column of the strong magnets with the south poles of said secondary magnets being disposed against the north poles of the two uppermost strong magnets in said columns.

4. The improvement of the claim 3 wherein said plate is constructed of a non-magnetic material and each of the strong magnets generates a magnetic field within the range of about 1,000-1,500 gauss and each of said secondary magnets generates a magnetic field within the range of about 200-300 gauss.

5. A magnetic assembly adapted to be secured to a fuel line of a motor vehicle for improving the combustion of the fuel passing through the line, said assembly comprising:

a housing having a top, bottom and side walls;

means carried by said housing for securing said assembly to the fuel line such that said bottom wall is disposed against the fuel line;

a plurality of primary magnets disposed within said housing and arranged in two adjacent columns with at least two primary magnets in each column and the south poles of each primary magnet facing toward said bottom wall of said housing;

a substantially flat plate disposed within said housing against the north poles of the two uppermost magnets in said columns; and

four secondary magnets disposed against said plate on the opposite side thereof from said primary magnets and adjacent said top wall of said housing, said secondary magnets being substantially weaker in magnetic strength then said primary magnets and two of said secondary magnets being aligned over each column of said primary magnets with the south poles of said secondary magnets being disposed against said plate.

6. The magnetic assembly of claim 5 wherein said plate is constructed of a non-magnetic material and each of said primary magnets generates a magnetic field within the range of about 1,000-1,500 gauss and said secondary magnets each generates a magnetic field within the range of about 200-300 gauss.

7. The magnetic assembly of claim 6 wherein said primary magnets comprise ceramic material and are rectangular in configuration.

8. A magnetic assembly adapted to be secured to a fuel line of a motor vehicle for improving the combustion of the fuel passing through the line, said assembly comprising:

a housing having a top, bottom and side walls;

means carried by said housing for securing said assembly to the fuel line such that said bottom wall is disposed against the fuel line;

a plurality of primary magnets disposed within said housing and arranged in two adjacent columns with at least two primary magnets in each column and the south poles of each primary magnet facing toward said bottom wall of said housing;

four secondary magnets disposed within said housing, said secondary magnets being substantially weak in magnetic strength than said primary magnets and two of said secondary magnets being disposed against each of the uppermost primary magnets in said columns with the south poles of said secondary magnets being disposed against the north poles of said two uppermost primary magnets; and

a substantially flat plate disposed against the north poles of said secondary magnets proximate said top wall of said housing.

9. The magnetic assembly of claim 8 wherein said plate is constructed of a non-magnetic material and each of said primary magnets generates a magnetic field within the range of about 1,000-1,500 gauss and said secondary magnets each generates a magnetic field within the range of about 200-300 gauss.

10. The magnetic assembly of claim 9 wherein said primary magnets comprise ceramic material and are rectangular in configuration.
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Doesn't explain any science there----and 10. ( a primary magnet comprise
a ceramic material and are rectangular in configuration)-----
99% of all ceramic material---has no magnetic properties(dummy magnet?)
1% of advanced ceramic material can be found in (super-conductor research)----but, currently you have to cool it with liquid nitrogen to get it to work.

off to research: fuel passing through 200-300 gauss magnetic field

headborg · Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 1072

Here's the latest Ad I found in Dec 14th The Trucker

under Gifts pg 53 Turbo 3000D

"The TURBO 3000D saves a reported 10 precent on fuel costs BY CREATING A CONTROLLED TURBULENCE IN THE FUEL. THIS IMPROVES VOLATILITY AND ATOMIZATION BY INCREASING THE SURFACE AREA OF THE FUEL THAT IS SURROUNDED BY, AND COMBINED WITH, THE OXYGEN IN THE AIR. COMBUSTION EFFICIENCY IS ENHANCED BY "MORE COMPLETELY ATOMIZING AND BURNING FUEL THAT USUALLY REMAINS UNBURNED AND WASTED."

so now they aren't even talking about the magnets anymore! LoL

just where in the fuel line does this thing go anyway?

between the injectors & pump? pump & filter? before the filter?

I'm not a mechanic---but, I'd imagine those injectors would pretty much mess up all that turbulence this thing created(with those two pieces of metal inside the pipe)????

Increase the surface area of the fuel inside a fuel line? what the ???
Oxygen(air) (surrounding the fuel) in a fuel line?

What do you call fuel that is left unburned and wasted in a combustion chamber? and just how would a thing down in the fuel line help your glow
plug burn this fuel better?

Bandit102 · Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 236

headborg wrote: Here's the latest Ad I found in Dec 14th The Trucker

under Gifts pg 53 Turbo 3000D

"The TURBO 3000D saves a reported 10 precent on fuel costs BY CREATING A CONTROLLED TURBULENCE IN THE FUEL. THIS IMPROVES VOLATILITY AND ATOMIZATION BY INCREASING THE SURFACE AREA OF THE FUEL THAT IS SURROUNDED BY, AND COMBINED WITH, THE OXYGEN IN THE AIR. COMBUSTION EFFICIENCY IS ENHANCED BY "MORE COMPLETELY ATOMIZING AND BURNING FUEL THAT USUALLY REMAINS UNBURNED AND WASTED."

so now they aren't even talking about the magnets anymore! LoL

just where in the fuel line does this thing go anyway?

between the injectors & pump? pump & filter? before the filter?

I'm not a mechanic---but, I'd imagine those injectors would pretty much mess up all that turbulence this thing created(with those two pieces of metal inside the pipe)????

Increase the surface area of the fuel inside a fuel line? what the ???
Oxygen(air) (surrounding the fuel) in a fuel line?

What do you call fuel that is left unburned and wasted in a combustion chamber? and just how would a thing down in the fuel line help your glow
plug burn this fuel better?

Well, Borg, I don't think you quite grasp the operation of a diesel engine.

Glow plugs merely heat the air being taken into a cylinder and are not typically used on a diesel engine. They are used only for cold starts and have absolutely nothing to do with igniting fuel, as a spark plug would in a gas engine.

Unburned fuel is called smoke out the stack in a diesel.

Aside from that, the Turbo 3000 mounts in the fuel line, after the pump and filters, before the fuel galley in the cylinder head. And yes, I would think that the injectors would completely kill any turbulence developed by such a device.

headborg · Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 1072

ok, see I'm not a diesel mechanic! but, I am willing to learn.

so, glow plugs merely heat the air being taken into a cylinder and are not typically used on a diesel engine.

May I ask, what is the ignition source in a diesel engine combustion chamber????? if not the glow plug??? my Ford F-350 Cummins may need to see a new mechanic soon.

damn....how hot is that air??? that the diesel "self ignites"?????

so the diesel is injected near the end of the compression stroke?

how many strokes is a diesel cycle?

intake? compression?power?exhaust?

I mean if it takes in raw air? compresses it--when is the diesel injected??
if it "self ignites" upon contact with the hot air......seems like injector timing
would be much more critical.

Splitshifter · Joined: 19 Jun 2006 Posts: 635 Location: Right here

headborg wrote: ok, see I'm not a diesel mechanic! but, I am willing to learn.

so, glow plugs merely heat the air being taken into a cylinder and are not typically used on a diesel engine. They are used in a lot of smaller diesels, such as pickup trucks etc. for cold starting. Once the engine is running they are not operational. I'm not aware of any current class 8 truck engines that have them.

Quote: May I ask, what is the ignition source in a diesel engine combustion chamber????? if not the glow plug???

Heat of compression ignites the diesel fuel.

Quote: so the diesel is injected near the end of the compression stroke?

Correct

Quote: how many strokes is a diesel cycle?

All modern diesels are 4 stroke engines. The old Detroit diesels were 2 stroke.

Quote: intake? compression?power?exhaust?

Correct.

Quote: I mean if it takes in raw air? compresses it--when is the diesel injected??
if it "self ignites" upon contact with the hot air......seems like injector timing
would be much more critical.

Yes that is also correct.

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