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henboy1
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| Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:33 pm Post subject: What is all included in a an overhaul/inframe? |
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This will be for a detroit 60?I am wondering whether to save money on just doing the bottom and not both when it is not necessary.
Who can also micron the engine parts and find specific wear points.Oil samples are not always consistent.
I got a quote for a cheap guy for $6700 and I will ask him what it all comes with.Just the bottom was $1200 |
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allan5oh
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Location: jackassville (winnipeg, mb)
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| Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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You'd have to ask.
Some include head work, or a new head, new injectors, new turbo, etc..
Some don't. |
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MAINTENANCEMAN
Joined: 30 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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How many miles on engine?
Why are you rebuilding? |
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bob h
Joined: 15 Oct 2006
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Location: Nb
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| Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:33 pm Post subject: Re: What is all included in a an overhaul/inframe? |
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henboy1 wrote: This will be for a detroit 60?I am wondering whether to save money on just doing the bottom and not both when it is not necessary.
Who can also micron the engine parts and find specific wear points.Oil samples are not always consistent.
I got a quote for a cheap guy for $6700 and I will ask him what it all comes with.Just the bottom was $1200
the 1200 would be bottom end, incl rod and main bearings, pan gasket, etc.
the 6700 would be for in-frame overhaul; pistons, liners, bearings, gaskets... possibly cyl head
oil cooler, injectors, and turbo are all options
again; why are you doing the work ? |
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henboy1
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| Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:40 am Post subject: 1.2 million on Odometer. |
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| Every time I use anything other than Rotella I am seeing metal chunks on the drain plug, this will be my third non Rotella oil I have used.I plan on checking the drain plugs to see the condition of the old one.That machine shop is telling me more likely the engine needs rebuilding from what I told them.They don't think it is the oil but I think otherwise.I will ask the guy and post exactly what that price comes with.Poeple claim he is the best DETROIT guy in atlanta/moreland avenue. |
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bob h
Joined: 15 Oct 2006
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Location: Nb
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| Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:29 am Post subject: Re: 1.2 million on Odometer. |
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henboy1 wrote: Every time I use anything other than Rotella I am seeing metal chunks on the drain plug, this will be my third non Rotella oil I have used.I plan on checking the drain plugs to see the condition of the old one.That machine shop is telling me more likely the engine needs rebuilding from what I told them.They don't think it is the oil but I think otherwise.I will ask the guy and post exactly what that price comes with.Poeple claim he is the best DETROIT guy in atlanta/moreland avenue.
metal on the drain plug of a high mile s60 might warrant a gear train inspection... your detroit guy should know that |
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heavyhaulerss
Joined: 29 Jan 2007
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Location: north alabama
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| Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| i know of a lot of high mi det with parts of the gears such as the bull gear & others being found in the oil pan. all i've heard was with the 12.7 . i have the 11.1 & over a mil li's & so far no metal in oil yet.. there is a shop (star parts) in birmingham al . who stock shelves of the det gears cause he gets that prob a lot. |
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henboy1
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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I think this link may answer my question.I plan on doing some work myself.My fan clucth finally died on me but it was a gradual death.This caused the truck to overheat and the "check engine" and shut down" light kicked in which shut off the engine every 2 miles or so.Before this happened my uncle said there was a slight play bewteen the blade and the pulley.I just don't know what bull gears are but I may have read the shavings stories from the fan pulley/bearings.Petro charged me $2386 to change out the fan solenoid switch ,temp sensor and the fan clutch and a 100% mark up from freightliner parts.Now that I changed the fan clutch I may not have these shavings but then again I may be wrong.I also know that the engine master will talk me into spending money with him incase I take it in for diagnosis.
I am having this same problem in this link....http://www.classadrivers.com/phpBB2/archive/o_t/t_23749/start_0/index.html
my first codes respectively are 43,43,45,46 and 61.IT is hard to start especially at 50 degrees and below.I am having the exact problem as banditt in this thread.Mine does smoke for about 5 seconds after it starts. Sometimes it takes about 15-20 seconds to crank.After it cranks it also idles rough for about 6 and then levels out.On some occassions when it cranks the check engine comes on and then "shut down" light comes on which then cuts off the engine.
I am about to go get the Timing Reference sensor and the SRS.Exactly where are these sensors located on the 93 detroit 60s?I know where the temp sensor and the fan solenoid is located.Can someone please decode those codes for me? |
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MAINTENANCEMAN
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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43 = Coolant Level Low
45 = Oil Pressure Low
46 = ECM Battery Voltage Low
61 = Injector Response Time Long |
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Splitshifter
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: I just don't know what bull gears are but I may have read the shavings stories from the fan pulley/bearings.Petro charged me $2386 to change out the fan solenoid switch ,temp sensor and the fan clutch and a 100% mark up from freightliner parts.Now that I changed the fan clutch I may not have these shavings but then again I may be wrong.I also know that the engine master will talk me into spending money with him incase I take it in for diagnosis.
$2386 for that?
Holy sh*t.
And although I'm not a Detroit mechanic, I can say that the shavings in your oil pan are not coming from a fan clutch problem. |
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henboy1
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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yep $2386 for that at $79/hr labor which came out to $550 in labor.
My hands were tied because I would have to crawl again out of the Petro to the handsof freightliner which would have been cheaper.I am changing my oil next week and we will see.I will take those metals (if present) to the detroit engine guys and we will see.Not t forget their 4 gallons of coolant and one fan belt.I have never been through something like this, being stuck from 4pm until 11am on a back road mountain and all I could do was wait for the temp to cool down and then inch away on that 30 mile hill.Those 4 wheelers destroyed all my emergencies in the middle of the night.Another gremlin was the "shut down light" coming on every 2 miles I drove and shutting the engine off.
Ok , could these codes still be in the ecm even after the fan clutch,temp sensor and the solenoid is fixed.Do these codes need to be cleared after the fix?Are these diag reading like acuras?My coolant level is definitely full when I checked tonight and it is not going down.
MAINTENANCE man what about Code 42.That was the first code I read when I hit the button. |
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heavyhaulerss
Joined: 29 Jan 2007
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Location: north alabama
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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| here ya go http://valleypowersystems.com/Products/Detroit%20Diesel/DDEC%20Fault%20Codes.htm |
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henboy1
Joined: 11 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:52 pm Post subject: wow!Thank you soo much |
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| I even called freightliner for the code definition and the guy said they just plug in the computer and read off it.I then did a search from the net and found nothing.Thank you for this site and this answers my problem.The SRS sensor is throwing all the other codes because 42 was the first culprit.I am doing this myself once I find out it's location. |
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heavyhaulerss
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:43 am Post subject: |
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I even called freightliner for the code definition and the guy said they just plug in the computer and read off it.I then did a search from the net and found nothing.Thank you for this site and this answers my problem.The SRS sensor is throwing all the other codes because 42 was the first culprit.I am doing this myself once I find out it's location.
we are glad to be of help here. welcome aboard. :lol: |
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bob h
Joined: 15 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:50 am Post subject: Re: wow!Thank you soo much |
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henboy1 wrote: I even called freightliner for the code definition and the guy said they just plug in the computer and read off it.I then did a search from the net and found nothing.Thank you for this site and this answers my problem.The SRS sensor is throwing all the other codes because 42 was the first culprit.I am doing this myself once I find out it's location.
srs is just inboard, and above the air compressor mounting flange
it did not cause the other fault codes
they have to be cleared using a scan tool or computer |
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