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Jackrabbit379 · Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 4760 Location: Wichita Falls,Tx

yoopr wrote: No-Waaay before that-My Pack caught them 2 years ago(Might have been last year).
Nothing was done but League was on Notice

Hmmm. I didnt know that. :shock:

yoopr · Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 12865

Like Jets, Lions and Packers, Bills Accuse Patriots of Stealing Signals

Dan BentonPosted Sep 11th 2007 10:23AM by Dan Benton
Filed under: Bills, Jets, Lions, Packers, Patriots,
The list of teams that suspect the New England Patriots of stealing signals is growing daily. Shortly after an investigation was launched by the NFL, which was preceded by an accusation from the Jets, the Green Bay Packers stepped up and echoed the New York's concerns.

"From what I can remember, [the camera man] had quite a fit when we took him out," Packers president Bob Harlan said. "We had gotten word before the game that they [the Patriots] did this sort of thing, so we were looking for it."

Lions general manager Matt Millen has also come forward and informed the NFL that Detroit caught the Patriots doing the same thing last December. And as if that wasn't enough, the Buffalo Bills have now entered the fold as well.

According to a report by the Boston Herald, the Bills suspected the Patriots were cheating in their 28-6 loss to New England last October, but did not have enough evidence to warrant a complaint. However, in light of these more recent discoveries, Buffalo has decided to review the film from both games last year.

When I first heard wrote about this, I suggested that we all take it as a grain of salt because it appeared to be a rumor and nothing more. Unfortunately for the Patriots, that no longer seems to be the case. The evidence is piling up day-by-day, and I get the feeling that this is only the tip of the iceberg.

Mr. Ford95 · Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 1932 Location: Orange, VA

Surprised Washington hasn't made the same claim after that beatdown they got 2 weeks ago. How do you go back and look at game film to determine if they were stealing signs?? "Oh, they busted that play before it started, must have stole our signs??"

Twilight Flyer · Joined: 13 Nov 2002 Posts: 5785

Mr. Ford, you can brush it off all you want, but a lot of people have been saying since this broke that this is only the beginning. And regardless of the outcome or what, if any, additional punishment is handed down, the Patriots run over recent years, their wins, their Super Bowl victories, everything about them...will be permanently marred and cast under a heavy shadow of cheating. In the end, that'll be the best punishment ever.

As far as reviewing tape, they'll be looking for people on the sidelines with cameras. If they find one, it's just a matter of matching the faces up to current and former Patriots employees and there's your case.

yoopr · Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 12865

It went way beyond just reading lips from behind the playbook or hand signals. It involved Electronic eavesdropping and the reason that in the Pats game the NFL stopped all Electronic wavelengths in their games.

had nothing to do with handsignals and reading lips(Which is why the coaches hide their faces when calling the signals).

Jackrabbit379 · Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 4760 Location: Wichita Falls,Tx

If camera men are found at games, could be the end.
All those people on the sidelines with cameras, no tellin who all is actually filming, taking pictures for news, etc, and who's working for Bill Bilicheater.

superdave9 · Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 121 Location: central florida

Don't mean to jack the thread but this type of argument that is being had on this thread is related to the points I brought up on the thread--- /phpBB2/viewtopic.php?+=30574.... about the predictable outcomes and questionable practices that happen at NASCAR. I am a fan of MOST professional sports, especially NFL, NBA, and NASCAR, but since I have come to the "age of realization" I am becoming cynical of what I see, hear, and read in professional sports. This discussion of the Dolphins, Patriots, [insert team of choice], getting "caught" doing one thing, that we, the average joe, usually never gets wind of, is just ONE of the MANY deceptive practices that never get reported or the people in charge look the other way. I am the first to say "I wish it wouldn't, couldn't be this way!!!", but every year clarity tends to beat the passion out of my love for professional sports. :sad: Eventhough, I am the person counting the days, hours, and minutes until kick-off, tip-off, and the waiving of the green flag every weekend, I ADMIT IT, just wish the $$$ didn't out weigh the passion in the sports, but I belive it does. SORRY, VERY SORRY. :evil:

mike3fan · Joined: 04 Aug 2006 Posts: 1715 Location: michigan

In the end does it really matter?

If it gives you enjoyment watch it,if not do something else.

It all comes down to silly little arguements,"my Dad can beat up your Dad",it's just changed to the jerseys the guys wear from my city can beat up the jerseys the guys from your city wear.

superdave9 · Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 121 Location: central florida

It definitely gives me pleasure watching, but to me , it goes a little deeper than "my team winning". The reason WHY I like sports is because of the competition. If the "fix" is on in any aspect of the game, it sits very wrong with me and defeats the pleasure of my intent. "In the end", it does matter, most definitely. If it did not matter I would be watching WWF and professional boxing. Predictability sucks for me, I actually like a "fair game", go figure. :shock:

Twilight Flyer · Joined: 13 Nov 2002 Posts: 5785

I gotta agree with that SuperDave. When it comes to sports, not much pisses me off more than when people cheat. Yeah, there's always some aspect of it going on and it galls a lot of fans, regardless of what sport you're talking about. When someone is finally caught, the fans have something tangible to be angry at. And like it or not, the Patriots got caught will will forever have that black mark attached to them.

superdave9 · Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 121 Location: central florida

You got "IT" Twilight Flyer, that is the main reason behind my love for the sports. That is why sit-coms, or dramas on T.V. do not appeal to me; because of the predictability. I watch either sports, documentaries, or science based shows, you either get excited or taught something previously unbeknownst. I think all sports are losing their "soul" little by little everytime a cheating is revealed, which for me, is SAD. :sad: But I will still watch because I do enjoy, DAMN IT!!! 8)

Twilight Flyer · Joined: 13 Nov 2002 Posts: 5785

I agree.

But I still like CSI. :) That and Shark are the only shows I actually watch, outside of football.

Mr. Ford95 · Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 1932 Location: Orange, VA

I'm not trying to brush it off Twi, what I'm saying is, it's nearly impossible to see who is on the sidelines using TV gametapes. Are you saying their first SB was from cheating?? I mean Belicheck must have known from previous videotapes that the Steelers were going to knock Bledsoe out of the game, right?? I mean, he knew that Tom Brady was going to do more than just replace Bledsoe, he was going to make New England fans say, "Bledsoe who?" Don't be so quick to judge their past unless there is concrete evidence that would taint each one of their SB's. So far, possibly 1 SB is tainted but no evidence exists other than they made some great play calls in the 2nd half to beat Philly. Screens work great with a blitzing defense and Philly loves to blitz you.

Twilight Flyer · Joined: 13 Nov 2002 Posts: 5785

My personal thoughts are that their first Super Bowl is tainted because they wouldn't have beaten the Raiders if the ref hadn't gotten them over. But that's not proveable and if not for the recent stuff, would have eventually been forgotten. But because of what's going on this year, they are under a microscope and as more allegations, proven or not, come forth, they'll be looking dirtier and dirtier.

As far as the Philly SB, if you watch excerpts of game tape in that 2nd half, you'll see Brady looking at the Philly sideline a number of times during their play-calls. I'm a Dallas fan, so you know my feelings toward Philly. But I don't think there is any doubt at all that they cheated on that game. And it's pretty easy to execute screen passes when you know the blitz is coming. It's almost a guarantee.

I said earlier when this first started that it was only the beginning. My guess is that you ain't seen nothin' yet.

Mr. Ford95 · Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 1932 Location: Orange, VA

Twilight Flyer wrote: As far as the Philly SB, if you watch excerpts of game tape in that 2nd half, you'll see Brady looking at the Philly sideline a number of times during their play-calls. I'm a Dallas fan, so you know my feelings toward Philly. But I don't think there is any doubt at all that they cheated on that game. And it's pretty easy to execute screen passes when you know the blitz is coming. It's almost a guarantee.

Well heck, Peyton Manning and the Colts are cheating like crazy. :lol: Of course Brady knew the blitz was coming and when it was coming, he had watched enough game film to find a tip off, just like Manning does. Each time he saw the tipoff, he would audible just like Manning does every game. Looking at the other sidelines is no different than every other team does in the league, they all try to steal signs by having 1 or 2 people doing nothing but watching the other team's coaches to find a common tipoff. Happens in college all the time. :)

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