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allan5oh
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Location: jackassville (winnipeg, mb)
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:04 am Post subject: |
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| canada is 14 days. |
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kc0iv
Joined: 03 Feb 2005
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Location: Kansas City, MO
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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utvolsr1 wrote:
How much do you fill in the fields in DDL? There are more tabs in this program then any other program I've used. Still didn't get it to update mileage from previous day from odometer. If I did get it to update the first day I used it would not update the second or any day after that. It keeps going back to zeros when I used the tab to automatically figure it for you. Is there a way to get rid of the second driver from the program if driving solo? I've been using computers since the Commodore 64 came out in the 80's and not just for games. Can design and use web design programs as well as Visual Basic and many more, so I do have what I consider very good computer skills. DDL seems like it isn't user friendly and the help tutor is well to me leaves out a lot. Seems to skip over most features. If they could tweak that up some it would be a GREAT program. DDL is not for computer dummies and that is a shame on who will use it. To add what I did figure out I loved it. Maybe just need to take it slow with more time and not try to use every field and function and stick to what is only needed? Hope I explained it well enough. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I would suggest you contact Nick -- frbjorklund@driversdailylog.com or Bruce -- bruce@driversdailylog.com
I haven't used the program for over 2 years so I don't remember much of the program.
I did recommend to Nick some years ago to strip out most of the options and make it a simple logging program. Maybe someday he will do it.
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mbadriver
Joined: 19 Oct 2007
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Location: I94 Exit 69
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| Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 12:34 pm Post subject: Re: Log book Question |
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previous 7 days, and of course the current day.
coastie wrote: Ok I am leaving out on my first load after a 7 year retirement. I am up to date on how to do the current log book rules.
My new boss and I had a little difference of opinion of how many days past you must have with you. I remember you need to have the previous 7 days. He saying 30 days. I'll more than likely have a few more than what required in the way I do them my self for my copy wise goes, but I want to know which of us was right. I'll end up with a small note book that I put the old pages in.
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headborg
Joined: 06 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 12:59 am Post subject: |
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some other rules to keep in mind are:
you must submit your original logs to the company who's DOT authority you're running under within 13 days.
( I'm assuming the owner you're working for-- is leasing You/truck out to someone with Authority.)
So, with you in possession of 8days-- that only allows a 4 day "gap" for logs in transit( between Truck-Carrier)....
other considerations are- once you complete these 4 logs between 8-13th--
make sure all these logs/trip paperwork is sealed in a US Postage Stamped Envelope( if still on board your truck) This way, Mr DOT will have to call the Postmaster General--if he wants to legally look at them.----Opening your mail is a federal crime. |
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ChikinTrucka
Joined: 06 Jan 2008
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Location: Maine, Ayah
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| :shock: I say keep the previous 7 days, why give the DOT any more than they have to have. If the company wants 30 days, just say OK, but hide the other 23 days someplace where the DOT won't find them. That way everyone is (reasonably) happy and none the wiser! |
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Cat6869
Joined: 10 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| You must provide the last 7 days worth of logs to DOT (USA) and the last 14 days to MTO (Canadian). If you have them printed and signed you should not have any problems. Do not offer any more logs if at all possible, however if you are running legal there should not be any problem in providing the previous logs :). |
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kc0iv
Joined: 03 Feb 2005
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Location: Kansas City, MO
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:03 am Post subject: |
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Cat6869 wrote: You must provide the last 7 days worth of logs to DOT (USA) and the last 14 days to MTO (Canadian). If you have them printed and signed you should not have any problems. Do not offer any more logs if at all possible, however if you are running legal there should not be any problem in providing the previous logs :).
One of the biggest reason to only give L.E. only the required logs and not the complete logbook is once you give them the logbook they have a right to look at every page. If for example you made a mistake 15 days ago they can write you a citation. However, if you give only the required pages they wouldn't see the error.
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Cat6869
Joined: 10 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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kc0iv wrote: Cat6869 wrote: You must provide the last 7 days worth of logs to DOT (USA) and the last 14 days to MTO (Canadian). If you have them printed and signed you should not have any problems. Do not offer any more logs if at all possible, however if you are running legal there should not be any problem in providing the previous logs :).
One of the biggest reason to only give L.E. only the required logs and not the complete logbook is once you give them the logbook they have a right to look at every page. If for example you made a mistake 15 days ago they can write you a citation. However, if you give only the required pages they wouldn't see the error.
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That's why I stressed to not give them more if at all possible but most drivers use one log book for the month (not running lose leaf etc).
Yes they can do that and have done that going back more than 7 days, not fair in my opinion. :cry: |
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ChikinTrucka
Joined: 06 Jan 2008
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Location: Maine, Ayah
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In about 15 years of trucking, I have only had cops look at my log book twice! Once in PA when I was rolling down a hill at about 80 (back when it 55mph), pulling doubles (I was foolish back then) and rolled right by a trooper. He followed me all the way to the top of the next hill and then turned on the blues (nice guy, I thought). He checked my logbook and wrote me a ticket for not being up to date. I was going to explain that my log WAS up to date, but then realized that I didn't get a speeding ticket. He said "slow it down" and away I went. The other time I was on the scale in VA, when the cop came out of the scale house with the look of death in his eyes. He really scared me. He didn't take his eyes off me the whole walk from the scale house to my door, I thought I was getting arrest for something I didn't do for sure! He asked to see me logbook and then told me I could go. I still don't know what that was about!
Sometimes I get lazy and fill in the last stop or two after I do them. How often do other drivers show their books? It almost seems pointless to have log books if nobody is every going to look at them (not like I want them to.) KnowutImean? |
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Bandit102
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| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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ChikinTrucka wrote: In about 15 years of trucking, I have only had cops look at my log book twice! Once in PA when I was rolling down a hill at about 80 (back when it 55mph), pulling doubles (I was foolish back then) and rolled right by a trooper. He followed me all the way to the top of the next hill and then turned on the blues (nice guy, I thought). He checked my logbook and wrote me a ticket for not being up to date. I was going to explain that my log WAS up to date, but then realized that I didn't get a speeding ticket. He said "slow it down" and away I went. The other time I was on the scale in VA, when the cop came out of the scale house with the look of death in his eyes. He really scared me. He didn't take his eyes off me the whole walk from the scale house to my door, I thought I was getting arrest for something I didn't do for sure! He asked to see me logbook and then told me I could go. I still don't know what that was about!
Sometimes I get lazy and fill in the last stop or two after I do them. How often do other drivers show their books? It almost seems pointless to have log books if nobody is every going to look at them (not like I want them to.) KnowutImean?
That's incredible!!! On my safestat, I have NO out of service inspections in the last 30 months with 3 trucks. I probably have to show my logbook once or twice a month. Same for my other 2 drivers. I've shown it as high as 6 times in one day in Texas a couple of years ago. Sheesh. |
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BORN2DRIVE
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| Quick question. Is it true that you can extend your 14 hrs. by going on line 2 once for 2 hrs. or more, as long as you don't go over 11 hrs. driving? |
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Cat6869
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BORN2DRIVE wrote: Quick question. Is it true that you can extend your 14 hrs. by going on line 2 once for 2 hrs. or more, as long as you don't go over 11 hrs. driving?
NO! You must have 8 hours in the sleeper to extend (or as some say stop the clock, however so you know the clock doesn't stop, it keeps ticking so learn the phrase it extends the clock).
So if I start working @ 2:00 am my original 14 hour ends @ 4:00 pm, but if I drive say 6 hours (which puts me @ 8:00 am) and take an 8 hour sleeper break from (8:00 am to 4:00 pm) that extends my 14 hour to 12:00 am now the driving time from 2:00 am to 12:00 am should not total more than 11 hours. If I get my 2 hour break before then I would restart my 14 from the end of the previous. |
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Cat6869
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BORN2DRIVE wrote: Quick question. Is it true that you can extend your 14 hrs. by going on line 2 once for 2 hrs. or more, as long as you don't go over 11 hrs. driving?
NO! You must have 8 hours in the sleeper to extend (or as some say stop the clock, however so you know the clock doesn't stop, it keeps ticking so learn the phrase it extends the clock).
So if I start working @ 2:00 am my original 14 hour ends @ 4:00 pm, but if I drive say 6 hours (which puts me @ 8:00 am) and take an 8 hour sleeper break from (8:00 am to 4:00 pm) that extends my 14 hour to 12:00 am now the driving time from 2:00 am to 12:00 am should not total more than 11 hours. If I get my 2 hour break before then I would restart my 14 from the end of the previous. |
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BORN2DRIVE
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:00 am Post subject: |
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Cat6869 wrote: BORN2DRIVE wrote: Quick question. Is it true that you can extend your 14 hrs. by going on line 2 once for 2 hrs. or more, as long as you don't go over 11 hrs. driving?
NO! You must have 8 hours in the sleeper to extend (or as some say stop the clock, however so you know the clock doesn't stop, it keeps ticking so learn the phrase it extends the clock).
So if I start working @ 2:00 am my original 14 hour ends @ 4:00 pm, but if I drive say 6 hours (which puts me @ 8:00 am) and take an 8 hour sleeper break from (8:00 am to 4:00 pm) that extends my 14 hour to 12:00 am now the driving time from 2:00 am to 12:00 am should not total more than 11 hours. If I get my 2 hour break before then I would restart my 14 from the end of the previous.
So, if I go on duty at 5 AM and am on lines 3 &4 (with 1 off duty period of 1hr) until 2:45PM and then go to SB for 3hrs, do I still have to shut down at 7PM or can I go until 10PM now? |
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Rev.Vassago
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Location: The other side of the coin
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:42 am Post subject: |
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BORN2DRIVE wrote: So, if I go on duty at 5 AM and am on lines 3 &4 (with 1 off duty period of 1hr) until 2:45PM and then go to SB for 3hrs, do I still have to shut down at 7PM or can I go until 10PM now?
It depends. If you drove from 4:00 pm until 9:00 pm, then you stopped until 5:00 am, you got the reqired 8 hours to stop your 14 hour clock. At that point, you could then drive 6 hours, and would have to take at least a 2 hour break at 11:00 am, at which point you would have 5 hours available to you. Your 14 hour clock, which would now have began at 5:00 am, would end at 7:00 pm, at which point you would have to take yet another minimum 8 hour sleeper berth break. |
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