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coastie
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 2:21 pm Post subject: Log book Question |
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Ok I am leaving out on my first load after a 7 year retirement. I am up to date on how to do the current log book rules.
My new boss and I had a little difference of opinion of how many days past you must have with you. I remember you need to have the previous 7 days. He saying 30 days. I'll more than likely have a few more than what required in the way I do them my self for my copy wise goes, but I want to know which of us was right. I'll end up with a small note book that I put the old pages in.
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kc0iv
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 2:49 pm Post subject: Re: Log book Question |
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coastie wrote: Ok I am leaving out on my first load after a 7 year retirement. I am up to date on how to do the current log book rules.
My new boss and I had a little difference of opinion of how many days past you must have with you. I remember you need to have the previous 7 days. He saying 30 days. I'll more than likely have a few more than what required in the way I do them my self for my copy wise goes, but I want to know which of us was right. I'll end up with a small note book that I put the old pages in.
Thanks.
Today plus the last 7 days.
See: http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.asp?rule_toc=764§ion=395.8§ion_toc=1942 Quote: (k)(2) The driver shall retain a copy of each record of duty status for the previous 7 consecutive days which shall be in his/her possession and available for inspection while on duty.
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utvolsr1
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| he's the boss if he says 30 days then it's 30 days. He may have his reasons. Maybe it looks like your not hiding anything if you have 30 days. Why argue keep 30 days to make him happy. |
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coastie
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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utvolsr1 wrote: he's the boss if he says 30 days then it's 30 days. He may have his reasons. Maybe it looks like your not hiding anything if you have 30 days. Why argue keep 30 days to make him happy.
We did not argue, he was not sure. He had already stated he was not good at log books and all the rules. Plus he been in the dark ages, never heard of the loose pages log books which I have grown accustom to.
As for making him Happy, for I am going to work there making him happy, I became their saving grace. had 2 trucks running and one driver in the Hospital and no longer able to handle the OTR part, plus nobody else qualified for the Larger truck that will be Operational in 2 weeks. So I came along just at the right time, so He is happy. |
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Raafi
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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the law says today plus seven days prior
your boss says 30
you decide |
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Uturn2001
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: He had already stated he was not good at log books and all the rules.
That statement right there would scare the crap out of me if my boss said it to me.
If he is running his own company I sure hope he has someone in the office that is very familar with all the regulations. |
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Raafi
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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Uturn2001 wrote: Quote: He had already stated he was not good at log books and all the rules.
That statement right there would scare the crap out of me if my boss said it to me. .
we need more bosses like that...let them focus on loads, i will do my own logs |
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coastie
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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Uturn2001 wrote: Quote: He had already stated he was not good at log books and all the rules.
That statement right there would scare the crap out of me if my boss said it to me.
If he is running his own company I sure hope he has someone in the office that is very familar with all the regulations.
Part of my Job is to train his current guys lol. To train them in logs and driving a 10 wheeler Freightliner. |
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kc0iv
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coastie wrote: Part of my Job is to train his current guys lol. To train them in logs and driving a 10 wheeler Freightliner.
I hope you are clear on all the rules and regulation yourself before you start training. We have had some on this board in the past that were trainers and didn't know the rules themselves.
Why have only 7 days of logs and not 30 you might ask.
When you have more than 7 days and give them to Mr. D.O.T. for inspection you can be cited for any entry he/she finds. However, by having only 7 days you can only be cited for something during those 7 days.
So why would you take a chance?
Other things driver do that can cause Mr. D.O.T. to look closer are: sloppy entries and to much detail. Take the time to draw nice straight line and clearly print all your entries. Only put on your logs what is required.
If you have a computer and a printer I recommend you purchase a logging program such as Driver's Daily Log.
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Raafi
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kc
someone told me there is a free downloadable version, would you happen to be familiar with it? |
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Uturn2001
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:19 am Post subject: |
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| DDL can be downloaded for free, it is a full function trial which is good for either 30 or 90 days...can't remember which. After the trial time elapses you have to buy the liscence for it to continue working. |
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coastie
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| Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:51 am Post subject: |
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kc0iv wrote: coastie wrote: Part of my Job is to train his current guys lol. To train them in logs and driving a 10 wheeler Freightliner.
I hope you are clear on all the rules and regulation yourself before you start training. We have had some on this board in the past that were trainers and didn't know the rules themselves.
Why have only 7 days of logs and not 30 you might ask.
When you have more than 7 days and give them to Mr. D.O.T. for inspection you can be cited for any entry he/she finds. However, by having only 7 days you can only be cited for something during those 7 days.
So why would you take a chance?
Other things driver do that can cause Mr. D.O.T. to look closer are: sloppy entries and to much detail. Take the time to draw nice straight line and clearly print all your entries. Only put on your logs what is required.
If you have a computer and a printer I recommend you purchase a logging program such as Driver's Daily Log.
kc0iv
well as you see if I do not know something I ask and find out. >> |
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kc0iv
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Raafi wrote: kc
someone told me there is a free downloadable version, would you happen to be familiar with it?
Drivers Daily Log can be download at http://www.driversdailylog.com/ddldownload.htm
When I was still driving I wouldn't leave without DDL, the computer, and a printer.
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Bandit102
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| I've been using DDL for over a year now. Probably don't even know how to fill out a log page any more. As long as I drive, I'll use DDL. |
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utvolsr1
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kc0iv wrote: Raafi wrote: kc
someone told me there is a free downloadable version, would you happen to be familiar with it?
Drivers Daily Log can be download at http://www.driversdailylog.com/ddldownload.htm
When I was still driving I wouldn't leave without DDL, the computer, and a printer.
kc0iv
How much do you fill in the fields in DDL? There are more tabs in this program then any other program I've used. Still didn't get it to update mileage from previous day from odometer. If I did get it to update the first day I used it would not update the second or any day after that. It keeps going back to zeros when I used the tab to automatically figure it for you. Is there a way to get rid of the second driver from the program if driving solo? I've been using computers since the Commodore 64 came out in the 80's and not just for games. Can design and use web design programs as well as Visual Basic and many more, so I do have what I consider very good computer skills. DDL seems like it isn't user friendly and the help tutor is well to me leaves out a lot. Seems to skip over most features. If they could tweak that up some it would be a GREAT program. DDL is not for computer dummies and that is a shame on who will use it. To add what I did figure out I loved it. Maybe just need to take it slow with more time and not try to use every field and function and stick to what is only needed? Hope I explained it well enough. Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
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