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Truckfam
Joined: 08 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:16 pm Post subject: Can someone please clarify this for me... old 70/8 hos rule |
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My husband basically started when the new HOS rules came into effect. I was wondering about what happens when the 34 hour reset is eliminated.
I know it would revert back to the 60/7 or 70/8 rule. When someone drives 70 hours do you have to wait until midnight on the 8th day to gain time back to be able to start driving again?
When you gain the time back, do you have the full 70 back, or do you have to start recycling time with no way to really reset? |
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Rev.Vassago
Joined: 04 Apr 2006
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Location: Green Bay, WI
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:37 pm Post subject: Re: Can someone please clarify this for me... old 70/8 hos r |
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Truckfam wrote: I know it would revert back to the 60/7 or 70/8 rule. When someone drives 70 hours do you have to wait until midnight on the 8th day to gain time back to be able to start driving again?
Yes, and then you only gain back the hours you had from 8 days ago.
Quote: When you gain the time back, do you have the full 70 back, or do you have to start recycling time with no way to really reset?
With the old rules, what you did 8 days ago dictates what you can do today. Here's an example:
Day 1. 3 hours
Day 2. 10 hours
Day 3. 10 hours
Day 4. 10 hours
Day 5. 7 hours
Day 6. 10 hours
Day 7. 10 hours
Today. 10 hours
Now, you have used up all 70 of your hours. Tomorrow, you have 3 hours available to you, because that's what you used 8 days ago. Assuming you use them all up, then the day after that, you'll have 10 hours available. |
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Truckfam
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks Rev. I sure hope you guys don't loose the 34 hour restart then. |
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GMAN
Joined: 13 Feb 2005
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Location: Tennessee
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| The only good thing about the new hos is the 34 hour restart. I hope we keep it as well. If not, you will see truck stops selling a lot of extra log books. :wink: |
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geeshock
Joined: 26 Jan 2006
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Location: Hertford, NC
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 11:28 am Post subject: |
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downside to that is i see many more dot inspections to catch the ppl running 2 logs. of course if you run looseleaf (not saying I've ever done that) :wink:
but I see looseleaf being the wave of the future. |
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Sealord
Joined: 20 Jun 2005
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Location: Florida
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:50 am Post subject: Old 70/8 HOS |
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| As a rule of thumb, under the old HOS rules, if you log no more than 8.75 hours/day (lines 3 and 4), a driver will not run out of hours. Very necessary to know how to do recap. BOL |
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cmegobye
Joined: 04 Sep 2006
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Location: Homosassa, FL
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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| I started 13 years ago and I prefer not to have a forced 34 hr restart. It is not nice to have to sit for 34 hours in the middle of nowhere because a dispatcher doesn't trust that your addition is correct. The recap is absolutely necessary under the old laws. At midnight you get the hours back that you ran 8 days ago. |
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golfhobo
Joined: 16 Oct 2005
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Location: the 19th hole / NC
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| Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:52 am Post subject: |
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cmegobye wrote: I started 13 years ago and I prefer not to have a forced 34 hr restart. It is not nice to have to sit for 34 hours in the middle of nowhere because a dispatcher doesn't trust that your addition is correct. The recap is absolutely necessary under the old laws. At midnight you get the hours back that you ran 8 days ago.
Just to be clear here, you realize this is a policy YOUR company has. The FMCSA does NOT "require" or "force" a 34 hour reset. |
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garyavp
Joined: 09 Aug 2007
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| hey golf. get in any rounds on the road |
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wanderingson
Joined: 19 Nov 2004
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Location: Beertown, USA
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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golfhobo wrote:
Just to be clear here, you realize this is a policy YOUR company has. The FMCSA does NOT "require" or "force" a 34 hour reset.
No, the 34 hr restart is not a company policy.
It is a provision (and part of the rules) of the HOS.
Scroll down a bit, and you will find all the rules about the 34 hr restart.
See this link for the scoop.
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/truck/driver/hos/hos-faqs.asp#_Toc111021256 |
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kc0iv
Joined: 03 Feb 2005
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Location: Kansas City, MO
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:19 am Post subject: |
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wanderingson wrote: golfhobo wrote:
Just to be clear here, you realize this is a policy YOUR company has. The FMCSA does NOT "require" or "force" a 34 hour reset.
No, the 34 hr restart is not a company policy.
It is a provision (and part of the rules) of the HOS.
Scroll down a bit, and you will find all the rules about the 34 hr restart.
See this link for the scoop.
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/truck/driver/hos/hos-faqs.asp#_Toc111021256
Quote: (c)(1) Any period of 7 consecutive days may end with the beginning of any off-duty period of 34 or more consecutive hours; or
(c)(2) Any period of 8 consecutive days may end with the beginning of any off-duty period of 34 or more consecutive hours.
As you can see it is not required.
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golfhobo
Joined: 16 Oct 2005
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Location: the 19th hole / NC
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:59 am Post subject: |
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wanderingson wrote: golfhobo wrote:
Just to be clear here, you realize this is a policy YOUR company has. The FMCSA does NOT "require" or "force" a 34 hour reset.
No, the 34 hr restart is not a company policy.
It is a provision (and part of the rules) of the HOS.
Scroll down a bit, and you will find all the rules about the 34 hr restart.
See this link for the scoop.
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/truck/driver/hos/hos-faqs.asp#_Toc111021256
I think you misunderstood me, Wanderingson. Cmegobye said something about HIS dispatcher FORCING him to sit for 34 hours in BFE because he didn't trust his math.
He also said he'd been driving for 13 years, which I assume includes the recent period since the "OPTION" of a 34 hour restart was added to the HOS, and that he preferred NOT TO HAVE A FORCED 34 HOUR RESTART.
In ALL my (and others') discussions here about the new HOS and the 34 hr restart, I have never heard anyone use the word "forced."
IF he is being "forced" to take a 34 hr restart, it most certainly IS some kind of company policy.... cuz the regs certainly don't FORCE it. |
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tdriver1959
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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Location: Washington
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| It is not required that you take a 34 hour reset but it sure is nice to have when you have the weekend off to gain all your hours back. |
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Bandit102
Joined: 22 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| As far as I was made to understand, you don't necessarily get the hours back that you worked 8 days ago. The math has to work out, 60 hours in 7 days or 70 hours in 8 days. DOT told me that its the math in hours and the days have nothing to do with it. |
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kc0iv
Joined: 03 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:54 am Post subject: |
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Bandit102 wrote: As far as I was made to understand, you don't necessarily get the hours back that you worked 8 days ago. The math has to work out, 60 hours in 7 days or 70 hours in 8 days. DOT told me that its the math in hours and the days have nothing to do with it.
You always gain back the hours you worked 8 days ago. That is the math. Rev.Vassago gave the perfect example way back on Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:37 pm.
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