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GMAN
Joined: 13 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| Perhaps it would be good to start a letter writing campaign to PATT, etc., as well as your congressional representatives. Part of the problem we have had is that most drivers and owner operators don't take time to sit down and make a few phone calls or write letters to those who have a say in our future. Those who make the rules only hear from PATT and others who have no clue to how to operate safely out here. There is an old saying, "The squeaky wheel gets the grease." |
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BIG JEEP on 44's
Joined: 09 Jul 2005
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Location: Fixing something under my jeep
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| 8hr breaks ...suck...unless you don't do anything other than shut it down go straight 2 sleep wake up and start running . BUT for those of us that take care of themselves 8 hrs is inadequate . |
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VitoCorleone99
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Location: Detroit
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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BIG JEEP on 44's wrote: 8hr breaks ...suck...unless you don't do anything other than shut it down go straight 2 sleep wake up and start running . BUT for those of us that take care of themselves 8 hrs is inadequate .
I take very good care of myself, and 5 hours of sleep at night with another 1 1/2-2 hour nap in the afternoon is the perfect amount of rest for me. I kill most of my ten hour breaks by posting on internet message boards. 8) The notion that one person or group of people can dictate what works for all people is just silly, as far as I'm concerned. |
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GMAN
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| I rarely sleep more than 5-6 hours. That is fine for me. So I have or 5 hours to kill to be compliant with the current hos rules. The main problem with the hours of service rules is that they try to use a cookie cutter approach to them. While I don't need a lot of sleep, some people can sleep for 10 hours. I would prefer simply using common sense. You can have all the rules in the world. You can force everyone to have a black box in the truck, but it won't make anyone more safe. Only common sense will do that. I think most drivers have enough common sense to stop when they get too tired, whether they have hours left to run or not. There will always be those who find a way to break the rules. Logs and black boxes won't stop those people from breaking the rules or using common sense. |
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BIG JEEP on 44's
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:09 am Post subject: |
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VitoCorleone99 wrote: BIG JEEP on 44's wrote: 8hr breaks ...suck...unless you don't do anything other than shut it down go straight 2 sleep wake up and start running . BUT for those of us that take care of themselves 8 hrs is inadequate .
I take very good care of myself, and 5 hours of sleep at night with another 1 1/2-2 hour nap in the afternoon is the perfect amount of rest for me. I kill most of my ten hour breaks by posting on internet message boards. 8) The notion that one person or group of people can dictate what works for all people is just silly, as far as I'm concerned.
the H.O.S. are flawed in that you can not regulate sleep not just for many people ,but even on an individual basis ,as sleep patterns vary day to day ,and because there is no set 0900-1700 scheduele in OTR trucking this makes regulating sleep ...impossible... |
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mapleleaf_1
Joined: 13 Nov 2006
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Location: Wisconsin
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I think the rules should be the same for the U.S. and Canada. It makes it difficult for drivers doing cross border. Canada is 13 and the U.S. is 11. Sleeper is 8 hours for Canada and 10 hours for U.S. |
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DBW
Joined: 18 Jul 2007
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Location: In front of my laptop
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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mapleleaf_1 wrote: I think the rules should be the same for the U.S. and Canada. It makes it difficult for drivers doing cross border. Canada is 13 and the U.S. is 11. Sleeper is 8 hours for Canada and 10 hours for U.S.
Can't get the goofballs in D.C. to figure it out for US drivers so it would be difficult to get both regulatory agencies to reconcile the differences of the two seperate nations to make it the same. :roll: |
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VitoCorleone99
Joined: 23 May 2006
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Location: Detroit
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Scotland and the US got the rules straight for golf. There's always a chance. |
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Odie
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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I am going against the grain here but, I really dont think humans are designed to work more than 40-50 hours a week on a consistant basis. I really dont like that the maxium amout of hours allowed becomes the industry standard to work a driver.
I say, cut the hours back, way back! Cut back the weekly and daily limits.
Hey, if we can keep the mexicans from pulling freight, maybe we can get some wage inflation too and we can get paid closer to what we are worth????? |
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VitoCorleone99
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40-50 hours might be fine as a general theory. However, since I'm usually a thousand miles from home anyway, being told that I'll spend another 20-30 hours a week sitting around with nothing to do really doesn't sound too cool. If I'm out here, I'd rather be working.
Furthermore, 70 hours over 8 days is less than nine hours a day. I worked more as a restaurant manager. I worked more as a financial advisor. I worked 50 hours a week as a customs broker while I was going to college full-time. |
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SteveBooth
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:31 am Post subject: |
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| I really don't see what some people are complaining about. You can do whatever you want now. No split sleeper, no big deal, sleep 8 hours then take another 2 hour nap later on. The whole day is yours to do what you want, just make sure your in the sack for 8 hours. It gives everyone much more flexibility. No more rest either. From what I understand and have read, this will pass with no problems. |
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DBW
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:23 am Post subject: |
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VitoCorleone99 wrote: Scotland and the US got the rules straight for golf. There's always a chance.
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Odie
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:19 am Post subject: |
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VitoCorleone99 wrote: 40-50 hours might be fine as a general theory. However, since I'm usually a thousand miles from home anyway, being told that I'll spend another 20-30 hours a week sitting around with nothing to do really doesn't sound too cool. If I'm out here, I'd rather be working.
Well, I peronally think the industry needs a big shake up and big changes on the whole. Its clear the industry is messed up bigtime. If 40-50 were the max, do you really think guys would stand for being away from home that much doing nothing? I think something of this sort might give the industry a reason to change things up. The industry is broken (not just HOS wise) and something needs to be done. |
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Odie
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:21 am Post subject: |
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VitoCorleone99 wrote:
Furthermore, 70 hours over 8 days is less than nine hours a day. I worked more as a restaurant manager. I worked more as a financial advisor. I worked 50 hours a week as a customs broker while I was going to college full-time.
You got to stop working so much bro. Its going to take a toll on ya one day. Or, make you look like the Crypt Keeper by age 50. LOL!!!!!!! I work with a guy that looks that way and he aint even old yet. |
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Fozzy
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:26 am Post subject: |
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BIG JEEP on 44's wrote: VitoCorleone99 wrote: BIG JEEP on 44's wrote: 8hr breaks ...suck...unless you don't do anything other than shut it down go straight 2 sleep wake up and start running . BUT for those of us that take care of themselves 8 hrs is inadequate .
I take very good care of myself, and 5 hours of sleep at night with another 1 1/2-2 hour nap in the afternoon is the perfect amount of rest for me. I kill most of my ten hour breaks by posting on internet message boards. 8) The notion that one person or group of people can dictate what works for all people is just silly, as far as I'm concerned.
the H.O.S. are flawed in that you can not regulate sleep not just for many people ,but even on an individual basis ,as sleep patterns vary day to day ,and because there is no set 0900-1700 scheduele in OTR trucking this makes regulating sleep ...impossible...
This doesn't make sense. Most every company and job in the world has a set schedule that people work their lives around. The new HOS made a lot of sense compared to the old HOS due to the fact that it at least sets a 24 hour day and the non stoppable clock on the duty hours. |
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