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yoopr · Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 12865

I heard that Hedrick sent a memo that any future fines will come out of the offending persons pocket,thats a good start.

That surprises me that he's paid their fines. I ASSUMED that the offender paid it. Gordon will have to pay for it out of his own pocket though seeing he's the Team owner.

Part Time Dweller · Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:41 pm Post subject:

http://www.thatsracin.com/247/story/5121.html

Quote: NASCAR Nextel Cup Series director John Darby said penalties levied against Hendrick Motorsports on Tuesday are aimed at removing any lingering doubt that the car of tomorrow is not to be monkeyed with.

“If there’s any doubt in anybody’s minds about messing with the bodies on this cars, we’re going to continue to react until there no longer is,” Darby said.

Quote: Darby said the sanctions against Gordon and Johnson and their teams are actually greater than those levied in the Earnhardt Jr. incident because Gordon and Johnson were prohibited from practicing and qualifying on Friday and had to start at the rear of the field in Sunday’s Toyota Save Mart 350. Gordon finished seventh, Johnson finished 17th.

Darby said that the fenders on the two cars were wider than allowed under inspection rules for the car of tomorrow being phased into the Nextel Cup Series this year. The teams contend they merely worked in “gray areas” between points where the templates used in inspection touch the car. But Darby said no such leeway exists with the new car.

“If this modification had been done at Michigan it would have different,” Darby said. “That was the old car and the old way of doing business. If a team had modified the fender in the same area and got too excessive with it, they would have been told to go back to the garage and fix it and there would have been no real harm nor foul.

“But in all of the specifications of the new car, the heights, widths and lengths of everything, the teams have all of those. And they have been told not to go outside of those beyond the tolerances in the templates, which is in most areas an eighth of an inch.”

Darby said the 24 and 48 were “easily more than 1 inch outside the tolerances in total width.”

yoopr · Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 12865

It was just an Honest mistake
Bwahahhahah

Rockjockey · Joined: 03 Jun 2007 Posts: 39 Location: Plainfield IL USA

Seems to me that the on track penalty should have sufficed, as the COT is coming in on a limited race schedule to give teams a chance to adjust to the new car. Darby said just what Hendrick said, that usually there is no harm, no foul with that infraction. The on track penalty would have been the fair way to handle the first offense in the learning process. Of course, that would have made NASCAR look bad to the conspiracy theorists and #8 fans, so that did not happen.

Mr. Ford95 · Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 1932 Location: Orange, VA

The good ol' "Actions detrimental to NASCAR rule" was brought by NASCAR just like I said it would be. It can be applied to any and all incident's by it's wording. Ah ha, a "gray area" right there. What you do may be considered detrimental and it may not be.

Part Time, yoop was right with NASCAR just covering their rears on that rule. How do you know that the bump in the fender wasn't for tire clearance?? Have you not seen these front fenders putting off smoke on the COT's?? The tires are not getting a lot of clearance as it is.

Mike, Chad is smart for scheming this stuff up. It's not cheating unless you live in a Politcally Correct world. Forget David Poole and his sour grapes for a minute. This WAS an innovation unlike what Poole said. Chad came up with a way to help get front downforce on the car to help it turn better. He helped build the T-Rex car. That car had so much downforce it was impossible to make it tight or develop an aero push. But I guess that wasn't innovation, it was cheating because NASCAR told them to never bring the car back to the track again.

I'm moving on with this because it's not like the teams will be without their crew chief for the next 6 weeks. With all of today's technology, Chad and Steve are just an IM or Text message away. They will still be in communication during the race in some way. "Fatback" proved how easy it was when he was sick 2 years ago and could not make the race at Fontana. He used his Nextel, Internet, TV and Radio to talk with the team and stay up to date on what the car was doing.

yoopr · Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 12865

Agreed-they should take away their Nextel Phones for Six weeks :P

Mr. Ford95 · Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 1932 Location: Orange, VA

Don't forget their internet connection :wink: Also need to post armed security at every entrance at the next 6 tracks with photo's of Steve and Chad to make sure they haven't bought a ticket to the race. If they have and they have a scanner/radio, have to take it away from them.

They could so easily sit in the stands with a scanner headset on and be on another frequency and talking with the guys on pit road.

In other news, how about Musgrave's 1 race suspension for something not nearly as dangerous as what Kurt Busch did?? I know it was a penalty given by a whole 'nother group of officials(Truck Series officials) but man that must burn Musgrave up. Busch put crew members in danger while Musgrave did not yet he gets a worse penalty. That $10K hurts since the Truck Series doesn't dole out much prize money unless you win.

mike3fan · Joined: 04 Aug 2006 Posts: 1715 Location: michigan

Mr. Ford95 wrote: Mike, Chad is smart for scheming this stuff up. It's not cheating unless you live in a Politcally Correct world. Forget David Poole and his sour grapes for a minute. This WAS an innovation unlike what Poole said. Chad came up with a way to help get front downforce on the car to help it turn better. He helped build the T-Rex car. That car had so much downforce it was impossible to make it tight or develop an aero push. But I guess that wasn't innovation, it was cheating because NASCAR told them to never bring the car back to the track again.

So whats the difference between cheating and innovation?

In your words Chad found an innovative way to reshape the front fender to help downforce,I say he did something to a fender that wasn't allowed and it was(apparently) clearly told to the teams to not mess with the bodies in any way.I should clarify that I have no way of knowing if they were told in meetings or in a written statement,but from everything I heard Darby saying this week is that they(Nascar) made it clear that the bodies were not to altered beyond tolerences of normal human fabricating.

I just think that it is time to start thinking a little different about this sport,the old rules are not gonna apply anymore so learn to bring a straight car and learn how to set it up better than anyone else.If that is PC then so be it,I for one think that eventually it will make the racing better.

Mr. Ford95 · Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 1932 Location: Orange, VA

It's all in how you look at it mike, that is the difference. :D I'm into being creative and innovative.

Mr. Ford95 · Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 1932 Location: Orange, VA

Imagine that, Steve Letarte is at the track, or was at it as of last night. He helped the team get a final setup put together for today's race. :lol:

Hey mike, dunno know if you got to see it or are out driving but on Speed's RaceDay show they interviewed a couple of teams about the cheating stuff. All said the same thing, doesn't bother them because they all try to find something to help them that may not be considered illegal. The Wood Brothers said that the new car is going to cause the teams to push for new concepts that might fall into a gray area. They would rather have workers thinking outside of the box than trying to be legal 100%. Dale Inman, former Richard Petty crew chief and current employee of Petty Enterprises said that it is harder to be legal these days with the COT than to be illegal and he did not like that. Said NASCAR needs to still have innovative minds to keep growing and getting better.

Mr. Ford95 · Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 1932 Location: Orange, VA

Oh sweet jesus, NASCAR is investigating the reports of Letarte, Knaus and Eury Jr. being at the track Sunday and that if true, they will address that issue. Hello Little France, the suspension was for the garage on race weekend, if they meet at the hotel, that ain't breaking the suspension. If they buy a ticket and sit in the stands, that ain't breaking the suspension. NASCAR only owns the garge at each track for the race weekend. They do not own the entire track, as was discussed on INC. Would be impossible to keep the teams and suspended chiefs from communicating some how.

BTW, are they going to suspend Doug Richert(Vickers car), Bootie Barker(Johnny Sauter's car) and Alan Gustafson(Kyle Busch's car) 6 weeks for all being too low in roof height?? Vickers was obvious that it was done intentionally, his was found AFTER qualifying and was low by a total of 3/8 inch. NASCAR gives you a 1/4 inch tolerance for being too low, he was an 1/8 past that. Appears they had something set so that it would fall off once the car hit the track and make the car sit lower. The other 2 were after the race and appeared on TV to be lower than Vickers car.

yoopr · Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 12865

They said on Sirius that Eury Jr. was so close to the track he could have thrown a rock and hit Jr.

This thing about a bumper being 1/8" off kinda raises my eyebrows. A problem with a bad shock would do that.

Mr. Ford95 · Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 1932 Location: Orange, VA

Junior actually spotted him during one of the early cautions and let the crew know it. I can't believe NASCAR is pretending that this never happened before. Did they really think that these guys would sit at home and do nothing?? They have creative minds, they have found ways around the rules and they are finding ways around the suspensions. I think it was Scharder who had an interesting idea for these suspended guys, make them sit in the Oval Office during the race weekend and they have to check any and all electronic devices at the door. Basically, they would need a shadow all weekend to make sure they don't go talk to the crew. Still it's an idea that could somewhat work, especially on raceday when it counts.

coalregion · Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Posts: 288 Location: NE PA

How many times is Knaus going to be caught until they finally bury him for a good while? Foe Chrissakes, it seems like he gets caught at least twice a year, if not more.... :roll:

yoopr · Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 12865

Seems that Helton isn't quite done with Eury yet.

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