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bigdaddyCCMJ
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:36 am Post subject: DOT changing Inspection rules |
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| In Feb. 2007 DOT has changed the rules for you pre-trip inspection. You are now allowed to take it either and the first part or the end of your shift. I know with most drivers this doesn't matter but there are some out there that might want to know. I am a trainer and I make sure my students know this info. Hope someone makes use of it. |
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kc0iv
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 6:35 pm Post subject: Re: DOT changing Inspection rules |
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bigdaddyCCMJ wrote: In Feb. 2007 DOT has changed the rules for you pre-trip inspection. You are now allowed to take it either and the first part or the end of your shift. I know with most drivers this doesn't matter but there are some out there that might want to know. I am a trainer and I make sure my students know this info. Hope someone makes use of it.
Where did you get this information? I can't find anything on their website.
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ibamars
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Location: New York
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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This is a goofy rule.
The rule states a driver must check out his vehicle completely at the end of his shift ans sign the report.
However, Its ok to just make sure you feel comfortable before you drive the truck and read the post trip inspection from the previous driver.
I always logged 15 minutes pre-trip and never logged 15 mintues post-trip. NYS DOT said it was ok when they gave me their level 3 inspection.
what a dumb broad set of rules.
I think 15 mintues post and quick one over in the morning.
What do you all think?
My 2 cents again..... |
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Rev.Vassago
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Location: Green Bay, WI
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:49 am Post subject: Re: DOT changing Inspection rules |
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bigdaddyCCMJ wrote: In Feb. 2007 DOT has changed the rules for you pre-trip inspection. You are now allowed to take it either and the first part or the end of your shift. I know with most drivers this doesn't matter but there are some out there that might want to know. I am a trainer and I make sure my students know this info. Hope someone makes use of it.
Cite the regulation to back this claim up.
Until then, I call BS. |
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Jackrabbit379
Joined: 22 Oct 2005
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Location: Wichita Falls,Tx
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: DOT changing Inspection rules |
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bigdaddyCCMJ wrote: In Feb. 2007 DOT has changed the rules for you pre-trip inspection. You are now allowed to take it either and the first part or the end of your shift. I know with most drivers this doesn't matter but there are some out there that might want to know. I am a trainer and I make sure my students know this info. Hope someone makes use of it.
First time I ever heard that. :lol:
Rev.Vassago wrote: Cite the regulation to back this claim up.
Until then, I call BS.
Hey. I may want to call BS, too. What's the number? :P |
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bigdaddyCCMJ
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Location: Missouri
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject: reply |
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| I will get that number for you as soon as I get the terminal. This is just what i was told to tell my trainies |
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Random_Facts
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Location: Northern California
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: DOT changing Inspection rules |
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Until then, I call BS.[/quote]
Hey. I may want to call BS, too. What's the number? :P[/quote]
Simple 1-800-BS (standard calling rates apply, only one phone call per family)
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: |
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Rev.Vassago
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: DOT changing Inspection rules |
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The reason I'm calling BS is because of this:
bigdaddyCCMJ wrote: You are now allowed to take it either and the first part or the end of your shift.
The FMCSA rules specifically state that a PRE TRIP inspection must be done before driving the vehicle, and a POST TRIP inspection must be done at the end of the day. Both are required. |
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thebaldeagle655
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't know where the exact rule is but you must "document" both a pre-trip and post-trip inspection however you only have to show time, minimum of 15 minutes, for one or the other. |
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Fredog
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§396.11 Driver vehicle inspection report(s).
(a) Report required. Every motor carrier shall require its drivers to report, and every driver shall prepare a report in writing at the completion of each day's work on each vehicle operated and the report shall cover at least the following parts and accessories:
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Question 25: §396.11 requires the driver, at the completion of each day's work, to prepare a written report on each vehicle operated that day. Does this section require a "post trip inspection" of the kind described in §396.15?
Guidance: No. However, the written report must include all defects in the parts and accessories listed in §396.11(a) that were discovered by or reported to the driver during that day. |
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rcso
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| Ok, what I read is to do a post trip at the end of the day looking at all those points and to record it along with everything else on your log. If there are issues write them up etc etc. How is this to do with pre trips. |
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Mtc_Is_Hell
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 10:13 pm Post subject: Re: DOT changing Inspection rules |
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Rev.Vassago wrote: The reason I'm calling BS is because of this:
bigdaddyCCMJ wrote: You are now allowed to take it either and the first part or the end of your shift.
The FMCSA rules specifically state that a PRE TRIP inspection must be done before driving the vehicle, and a POST TRIP inspection must be done at the end of the day. Both are required.
Really I've never in my life logged a Post Trip... Have been inspected in mississippi and passed with flying colors.. That would suck to have to log the post btw. I do it anyway but that 15 mins will cause some troubles. |
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rcso
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You can log the post trip as the flag when you stop driving for the night, it doesn't have to be a seperate line 4 entry (unless something is DOT wrong with the rig and you're on the side of the road waiting to get fixed)
example start at 8am go down to line 4 for 30 minutes, flag that thirty minutes as Houston, Tx / PTI. Go up to line 3 (driving) for 11 hours until 1930 hrs, Then go up to off-duty or sleeper flag that as Atlanta, GA / Post trip. |
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Uturn2001
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In a nutshell what the regs say about pre and post trip inspections:
Pre-trips: Drivers are required to ensure that their vehicle and load meet or exceed all safety guidelines before operating the equipment.
Post-trip: This really refers to completing the DVIR (Drivers vehicle Inspection Report.)
No where in the regs, since I started driving in 1999 anyway, has a time limit been given for how long any type of inspection should take, nor has it ever said when a daily vehicle inspection must be done during the day.
THe "DOT" knows however that it take a certain amount of time to check all the items you need to check during a vehicle inspection and to be "nice" about it they have stated over the years the min time for a VI is 15 minutes, partly because the log book is divided by 15 min increments.
While it may be in violation of company policy you can legally flag a Pretrip as taking less than 15 minutes, drive for "X" amount of hours, do a vehicle inspection, and then flag a post trip. You can also legally flag a pretrip and record 15 minutes on the post trip....or the other way around, since the regs do not state when you must do a full vehicle inspection.
Now with that said here is something to be careful of.
DO NOt start your day and then 2 hours later log a Pre-Trip inspection. You can be busted for log book falsification, because by definition a PRETRIP is done before you start your day. In a case like this you want to show doing a VI or vehicle Inspection. |
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