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PackRatTDI · Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 1004 Location: Las Cruces, NM

Goin Fer It wrote: PackRatTDI

Look if you think Mexico is so great why don't you move down there instead of having America become a third world country.

Goin Fer It's Wife

Look, I answered your question about illegal immigration in the hope that you wanted to have an intelligent, civil debate on the issue. However it's clear that you don't want to do so. So I'll leave you and roadking to come to whatever f*cking conclusion you want to.

Goin Fer It · Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 1383 Location: Couer d'Alene, ID

RoadKing2525 wrote: PackRatTDI wrote:
Don't need one, I'm born and raised in the USA, thank you very much.

This is what I'm talking about. This guy is born here but he is no American and never will be. He is Mexican full of hate for Americans! There are tens of millions just like him in this country flying our flag upside down, saying they want to ANNEX the Southwest to Mexico!. They are not Americans, they are the "enemy within"!

I would not be surprised if he is here on a pass. My step-dad is of Mexican descent and so was my best friend in school and most Americans including those of Mexican descent do not want what is going on. My step-dad calls them wet backs and does not want them invading the country.

Goin Fer It's Wife

RoadKing2525 · Joined: 18 Oct 2006 Posts: 24

Lets keep in mind there is nothing n Mexico that is not faked, forged, or obtained thru bribes (mordida’s) It’s part of their culture to forge or fake every piece of documentation possible. They think of it as being smarter than the next guy not as something criminal, wrong or deceitful.

Mexican “Authorities” (who are drug smugglers and criminals) are probably looking forward to all the new bribes they will be getting from Mexican drivers flush with pesos! Remember Mexico is a third world country and by definition a nation of illiterate peasants. That’s what it means to be “Third World”. They can barely read in their own language much less English signs!

Wait until you go to pick up a trailer at a drop yard in say Iowa and the glad hand seals are missing and the trailer taillights are gone! Also, remember many narcotics ARE LEGAL in Mexico, i.e.. Cocaine amphetamines, etc. No drug testing, no medicals checks, no background checks, no driving history checks, nothing! These guys are all going to be hopped up on something! And remember these Mexicans are driving for .09 to .15 cent per mile taking OUR 1500 mile loads!

This is what Mary Peters (Transportation Secretary) said from OOida’s website:

The inspection teams also will check whether drivers have a valid commercial driver’s license, have a current medical certificate and can comply with U.S. hours-of-service rules.

Hah! What a crock! Here’s OOida’s response:

“They can’t confirm whether they are safe or not. The documentation doesn’t exist on driver experience, drug testing or anything else,” OOIDA President Jim Johnston said.Spencer said not only are U.S. regulations on Americans more stringent in terms of verifying that a driver has been tested, but U.S. licenses can also be verified to show driving history, violations and compliance of any vehicle driven going back even a decade or longer. When enforcement officials run a Mexican CDL, the only information he can access will be that of previous operation in the U.S., not Mexico where a driver might have a rap sheet as along as your arm.

Mexico has never had specific drug testing regulations or hours-of-service rules for its drivers that could be verified or enforced and still doesn’t.“There is simply no way anyone can know whether a truck driver coming from Mexico entering the U.S. has been awake two hours or two weeks when they clear the border,” he said.

”This is a traitorous act by our president. I see rebellion, uprisings, and chaos in America’s future!

Cluggy619 · Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Posts: 839 Location: Denton, TX

Look, y'all.

I don't have a problem with people crossing the boarder looking for work. If I was on the other side, I would too, and so would most of you. But that's NOT the problem as I see it.

The problem is the 100 trucking companies in Mexico being able to operate on US roads. Now, we all know that those trucking companies are sponsored by American trucking companies....Anybody know of a few? So now these companies have a unlimited resource at a very cheap price. All they have to offer is the ability to work in the US......most Mexican drivers would jump at the chance, even at .15 per mile. And you can bet they will run teams.

This is what bothers us all. So how can we stop it?

1st. Avoid any company who does business with a Mexican trucking outfit, even if they own it. To those who don't know what that means, you simply don't drive for them. And if you are working for a company who sponsor them, find another company who doesn't.

2nd. Make it expensive for Mexican trucking companies to drive on US soil. Yes, this IS illegal. It means doing damage to trucks from Mexico. Flat tires, kingpins pulled, brakes out of adjustment, cut airlines, etc. If it's too expensive to run their trucks here, they will stop.

3rd. If you see their trucks at a truck-stop, do whatever it takes to make them feel as UNWELCOME as you can. This too may be illegal, depending on the level you take it too.

Bottom line. It's your paycheck. And it is a war. This is what it is going to take before it stops.

Or change careers, and go into something that the US won't import a cheaper person to do.

Choice is yours.

sweepwing · Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 52

I sincerely hope that everyone calls their reps and senators and complain about this. Addtionally, please sign the online petitions against this.

PLEASE do not waste your time with Packrat and his nonsense. He eventually calls anyone that disagrees with him a racist.

Call your representatives and senators tomorrow. I will.

PackRatTDI · Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 1004 Location: Las Cruces, NM

sweepwing wrote:
PLEASE do not waste your time with Packrat and his nonsense. He eventually calls anyone that disagrees with him a racist.

Call your representatives and senators tomorrow. I will.

I only referred to the derrogatory remarks Roadking made on another forum as being racist. Please do not distort the facts.

Thank you.

Cluggy619 · Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Posts: 839 Location: Denton, TX

I saw this post....it's already started.....

scania wrote: How worried should the American truck driver be about cheap Mexican drivers,I heard Celadon is seriously looking at outsourcing their drivers
Mexican Drivers
Arguments against opening the border to Mexican trucks (and drivers) includes the fear that Mexican drivers will take American jobs.
Celadon to Utilize Mexican Drives to Save Money
(Indianapolis-November 22, 2004) -- Like many Hoosier manufacturers that go outside the country looking for cheaper labor, a local trucking company is about to utilize Mexican truck drivers to save money and boost its earnings in the future.

The move could increase Celadon Trucking's profits by as much as 80 cents a share within the next two years, according to President Thomas Glaser.

Glaser said the U.S. Dept. of Transportation is about to lift regulations that have previously restricted Mexican truckers from driving farther than 20 miles into the U.S. The rule has forced truckers to switch loads coming from Mexico with Mexican drivers, to trucks driven by American drivers, adding significantly to their expenses.

Celedon just comes out and says it, we're going to use them and we're going to make money because of the cheaper labor costs. The fear that Mexican drivers will take American jobs I think is a valid fear and not just propaganda put out by the union. American drivers that now haul stuff either directly from Mexico or from just across the border to it's final destination in the US will be replaced if Celedon gets it's wish.
Trucking firms like Celadon say they will save money and operate more efficiently with the restriction gone.[/url]

scania · Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 161

ok,sorry just stumbled on it and it is an eye opener.....

greg3564 · Joined: 30 Aug 2006 Posts: 1268 Location: Leander, TX

Cluggy619 wrote:
It means doing damage to trucks from Mexico. Flat tires, kingpins pulled, brakes out of adjustment, cut airlines, etc. If it's too expensive to run their trucks here, they will stop.

:shock: Dude! Those kinds of actions could unintentionally kill others on the road, maybe even you or your family. That's a little over the top.

merrick4 · Joined: 08 Nov 2006 Posts: 865

Cluggy619 wrote: Here's what pisses me off on that.

Some A$$HOLE approved to allowed 100 Mexican companies to roam here in the USA, while we have to wait to be approved to roam in Mexico.

What G@d D&mm F#cking Slut Wh@rebag of a F#cking G@d D&mm Administration decided that this was a good idea?

I'll tell you. Those that the big companies here are sponsoring. This is nothing more than a ploy to lower truck drivers wages. That's it. Nothing more.

What can you do about it?

Stop working for those companies.

And by the way......it's dangerous on US roads....anything can happen to those Mexican rigs...... :twisted: :twisted:

Exactly. Stop working for these companies. It's sad but we have more power than you would think.

merrick4 · Joined: 08 Nov 2006 Posts: 865

I've only been driving otr for about 4 months, and the other day when they found out that I speak Spanish (I'm not spanish) they asked if I would be a trainer as they need a spanish speaking trainer. Now I wouldn't be a trainer anyway because I don't want to live in a small truck with another man (of course a pretty little senorita might be ok :D ) but hell I'm not going to help them outsource my job.

But unfortunately many will. Before driving otr, I had a decent local job. I was making real good money because of the overtime. Well they went and started hiring from a temp agency and we were supposed to take them out on our routes and train them. I was the only one that refused. I told them, you want to cut my hours well go ahead but don't ask me to help you do it.

RoadKing2525 · Joined: 18 Oct 2006 Posts: 24

OK, here’s the skinny on the Mexican wage plan,

This is from a Major Carriers Conference in Atlanta 2005 and reported on by The Tombstone Tumbleweed (Now defunct, but I downloaded and saved the article).

Here’s the plan:

They hire the Mexicans (or some of the 20 Million about to get Amnesty) at what is known a “starting” or “training” wage, say .22-.26 (Newly instituted) per mile but change the time limit and structure for pay increases. They cancel all bonus programs, incentive programs, and maybe even some Benefits packages for their current drivers causing some to quit.

As most truck companies have an 80% to %135 turnover they just sit back and wait for them to leave, then advertise for new drivers all needing to start (regardless of experience) at “starting wages”. Of course no Americans apply (almost none) so they’ve met the Guidelines for the “Fair Labor Practices Act” and the guidelines for hiring persons outside the country needing an H1B Visa doing jobs American don’t want! Slick… huh?

Through attrition and over the next few years they have a mostly full staff of Mexicans driving indefinitely at these “starting wages” or “training wages”. Viola! Were outta work, the companies double their profits, and Mexicans flood America!

Here’s the article. Remember it has been deleted from the original website but I unloaded to my “Google Doc’s” site <grin>. Also, as the original article is in PDF format and Google Doc’s does not allow PDF uploads, I have retyped the article so it could be unloaded in text format and converted to HTML. When I read it about six months ago for some reason I thought it might be important? If anyone doubts the validity of the article msg me and I will send you the original PDF as an attachment.

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dc3fncx6_24fms6gg

Update: The article is not listed on the Tombstone archives page but I found a link to the original article here: See page 8 for the article.

http://tombstonetumbleweed.com/PDF_Archives/TumbleSep0105.pdf

Cluggy619 · Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Posts: 839 Location: Denton, TX

greg3564 wrote: Cluggy619 wrote:
It means doing damage to trucks from Mexico. Flat tires, kingpins pulled, brakes out of adjustment, cut airlines, etc. If it's too expensive to run their trucks here, they will stop.

:shock: Dude! Those kinds of actions could unintentionally kill others on the road, maybe even you or your family. That's a little over the top.

I understand. Fully. If it bothers you, just flatten ALL tires, so the truck sits on the rims. Or do what it takes so the truck doesn't move at all. Loosen the oil plug on the engine. Whatever it takes.

The ideal is NOT to let these rigs on US roads.

It's war. It's us or them. Take your pick. :twisted:

greg3564 · Joined: 30 Aug 2006 Posts: 1268 Location: Leander, TX

Goin Fer It wrote: PackRatTDI wrote:
Don't need one, I'm born and raised in the USA, thank you very much.

I would not be surprised if he is here on a pass.
Goin Fer It's Wife

What part of "Don't need one, I'm born and raised in the USA" don't you get? I think PackRat established the fact that he's not "Mexican" or a "wetback" as you put it. Jesh! :roll:

mowman · Joined: 20 Dec 2006 Posts: 61 Location: Atlanta

This is pretty serious stuff. Some old-timers are kinda blase about this because they remember the same type of panic setting in when Canadian drivers were allowed on our roads.

The difference is that Canadians won't and aren't expected to work for .10 / mile.

Here's the gist as I understand it. I'd appreciate any clarification/amplification.

... a Mexican CDL will equal an American CDL. The concern here is that Mexico doesn't have the ability to track driver history like we do in the USA. In addition, there is a big concern regarding forged documents.

... Mexicans will be expected to pass DOT inspections as we do. The concern here is that there simply aren't enough inspectors to take on this new requirement.

... Mexicans will be expected to have insurance from US insurance companies.

... Mexicans will be expected to follow our HOS rules. The concern here is falsification and the fact that there's no control over what happens in Mexico prior to crossing the border.

... Mexican drivers will only be allowed to carry freight originating or destined in/to Mexico. I don't know how easy it would be to get around this. The same restriction will apply to us when travelling SOB.

The main concern is that Mexicans are willing to work for .10 / mile. This is the first step, but it does not open the entire country to Mexican drivers right now.

However... have you been on I-35 lately? What's happening is that overseas companies are finding it much cheaper to ship to Mexican ports. The Chinese factor in here in that they own much of the port facilities there.

I-35 is being expanded up to Kansas City with the goal of that city becoming the main entry of overseas goods (carried from Mexican ports) into the US.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist - although I've read a lot of conspiracy theory. This is happening. If you've been on I-35 in the Southwest, you'll see it's much more than a theory at this time. This major construction includes roads and rail.

So what does this mean in the long run? I'm guessing we'll see huge changes in shipping lanes. We're a global economy. Companies that produce and ship domestically may not be affected. Companies that deal globally probably will have a main freight lane between themselves and Kansas City because once it gets there it's very cheap (with Mexican drivers, or rail) to get it overseas.

My guess is that this doesn't add to US freight totals because I'm thinking US drivers will be very reluctant to travel in Mexico. It's certainly something I'm not looking forward to due to safety concerns (banditos) and lack of facilities. Perhaps over time the big chains will move there - or some enterprising Mexican firm will fill the need.

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