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Rev.Vassago · Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 3:39 pm Post subject:

Jack_07 wrote: I have worked on both sides of this industry Rev, you could write up 90 percent of the drivers for false logs. Especially when they average the miles they drove by the miles per hour.

You're probably correct. That doesn't make it right.

Quote: Now explain to me how you would know whether or not I switched the sleeper berth with the onduty not driving to give me a full 10 hour break if you was a DOT officer working by the road side and did not witness me doing so?
It sure would look Jam up on paper wouldn't it ?

It is people like you that are the reason they want to install on board recorders in trucks - something I totally support.

Quote: Now Rev if I told you what was going on the the State of Ga MCCD inspectors your jaws would drop wide open and say not so.

I doubt it.

Dawn · Joined: 31 Oct 2006 Posts: 323 Location: Indianapolis, In

Jack_07 wrote: I stuck a stick into a hornets nest didn't I Rev. lol

I have worked on both sides of this industry Rev, you could write up 90 percent of the drivers for false logs. Especially when they average the miles they drove by the miles per hour.

Now explain to me how you would know whether or not I switched the sleeper berth with the on duty not driving to give me a full 10 hour break if you was a DOT officer working by the road side and did not witness me doing so?
It sure would look Jam up on paper wouldn't it ?

Now Rev if I told you what was going on the the State of Ga MCCD inspectors your jaws would drop wide open and say not so.

DOT has sat outside shippers/consignee's before (as my phone was ringing off the hook, I was new to the company so they wasn't told to log line 4 for loading/unloading as many companies do not stress to log line 4 time for this). The drivers was being pulled over once they was leaving.

Dawn · Joined: 31 Oct 2006 Posts: 323 Location: Indianapolis, In

Jack_07 wrote: That was a very good answer KC, and in that case the log book needs to match with the time stamps on fuel tickets, bills, reciepts of any kind that might be found in the drivers posession at the time of inspection. and in the case of the driver that started this thread that gets paid by the hour he needs to log to get paid, so it really needs to be done as he did it.

The way you log should not have anything to do with getting paid.

I can pay you to be in the sleeper if I want. Many drivers get detention pay and they are in the sleeper. The point is they should log line 4 when working but not driving. They can prove you was on line 4 "sometimes". Other times it is just common sense it would take @ least 15 minutes.

mike3fan · Joined: 04 Aug 2006 Posts: 1707 Location: michigan

Dawn wrote: Jack_07 wrote: That was a very good answer KC, and in that case the log book needs to match with the time stamps on fuel tickets, bills, reciepts of any kind that might be found in the drivers posession at the time of inspection. and in the case of the driver that started this thread that gets paid by the hour he needs to log to get paid, so it really needs to be done as he did it.

The way you log should not have anything to do with getting paid.

I can pay you to be in the sleeper if I want. Many drivers get detention pay and they are in the sleeper. The point is they should log line 4 when working but not driving. They can prove you was on line 4 "sometimes". Other times it is just common sense it would take @ least 15 minutes.

Ok Miss Noitall,how is my tanker gonna get loaded with my tare weight and gross weight if I don't scale it in and out and be present and able to perform emergency procedures if I am not on duty?

I am familiar with all creative ways of logging,my original post was asking about splitting my sleeper berth between going into the plant and loading and continuing my break afterwards.How would you suggest I explain to Mr. Dot-man how my truck got scaled in and out if I was in the sleeper berth and I do not have a co-driver?

The log certainly does have an affect on getting detention,Ihave to be in the plant to get detention and to get into the plant I must first scale my truck and trailer,which is time stamped.

Rev.Vassago · Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:54 am Post subject:

mike3fan wrote:
Ok Miss Noitall,how is my tanker gonna get loaded with my tare weight and gross weight if I don't scale it in and out and be present and able to perform emergency procedures if I am not on duty?

In Dawn's world, trailers unload themselves. :lol:

Quote: I am familiar with all creative ways of logging,my original post was asking about splitting my sleeper berth between going into the plant and loading and continuing my break afterwards.How would you suggest I explain to Mr. Dot-man how my truck got scaled in and out if I was in the sleeper berth and I do not have a co-driver?

Isn't it funny how "Miss I-Want-You-All-To-Run-Legal" is advocating creative logging now? :lol: :lol: :roll:

Dawn · Joined: 31 Oct 2006 Posts: 323 Location: Indianapolis, In

mike3fan wrote: Dawn wrote: Jack_07 wrote: That was a very good answer KC, and in that case the log book needs to match with the time stamps on fuel tickets, bills, reciepts of any kind that might be found in the drivers posession at the time of inspection. and in the case of the driver that started this thread that gets paid by the hour he needs to log to get paid, so it really needs to be done as he did it.

The way you log should not have anything to do with getting paid.

I can pay you to be in the sleeper if I want. Many drivers get detention pay and they are in the sleeper. The point is they should log line 4 when working but not driving. They can prove you was on line 4 "sometimes". Other times it is just common sense it would take @ least 15 minutes.

Ok Miss Noitall,how is my tanker gonna get loaded with my tare weight and gross weight if I don't scale it in and out and be present and able to perform emergency procedures if I am not on duty?

I am familiar with all creative ways of logging,my original post was asking about splitting my sleeper berth between going into the plant and loading and continuing my break afterwards.How would you suggest I explain to Mr. Dot-man how my truck got scaled in and out if I was in the sleeper berth and I do not have a co-driver?

The log certainly does have an affect on getting detention,Ihave to be in the plant to get detention and to get into the plant I must first scale my truck and trailer,which is time stamped.

And you response makes no sense what so ever! I said DOT has sat outside customers WATCHING drivers and making notes as to what they are doing. Therefore I am not by any means trying to help any one cheat! I am trying to get you/others to understand you must log line 4 time when loading/unloading. Scaling, I mentioned nothing about it. What I said logs has nothing to do with what you get paid. If you log sleeper you can be paid! If you log line 4, does that mean you will get paid for it, NO! DOT does not always care what you get paid for. We pay our drivers detention pay and most of the time they are in the sleeper reading a book?
Of course you must scale your load, if I remember correctly we wasn't talking about scaling the load? :roll:

Dawn · Joined: 31 Oct 2006 Posts: 323 Location: Indianapolis, In

Rev.Vassago wrote: mike3fan wrote:
Ok Miss Noitall,how is my tanker gonna get loaded with my tare weight and gross weight if I don't scale it in and out and be present and able to perform emergency procedures if I am not on duty?

In Dawn's world, trailers unload themselves. :lol:

Quote: I am familiar with all creative ways of logging,my original post was asking about splitting my sleeper berth between going into the plant and loading and continuing my break afterwards.How would you suggest I explain to Mr. Dot-man how my truck got scaled in and out if I was in the sleeper berth and I do not have a co-driver?

Isn't it funny how "Miss I-Want-You-All-To-Run-Legal" is advocating creative logging now? :lol: :lol: :roll:

No advocating running illegal here, simply stating you need to log it as you do it and DOT has been known to watch you without your knowledge. The poster himself was trying to log illegal and I of course the "log" in me had to correct him, he will get busted and if he doesn't good for him :)

Rev.Vassago · Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:26 am Post subject:

Dawn wrote: And you response makes no sense what so ever!

As you would say, Dawn, that just shows your lack of intelligence. I understood exactly what he wrote. :lol:

kc0iv · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 1113 Location: Kansas City, MO

Once again Dawn shows she has no knowledge (except in her little world). If you Dawn knew more you would have know most tankers scale in the plant. Same goes for most of the larger beer plants.

Plus you have missed the original question. I know you won't listen but I'll say it anyway -- Be for you open your mouth (post) try reading the question and understanding what is going on.

kc0iv

Rev.Vassago · Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 6:06 am Post subject:

kc0iv wrote: Once again Dawn shows she has no knowledge (except in her little world). If you Dawn knew more you would have know most tankers scale in the plant. Same goes for most of the larger beer plants.

Plus you have missed the original question. I know you won't listen but I'll say it anyway -- Be for you open your mouth (post) try reading the question and understanding what is going on.

kc0iv

Of course, Dawn has said on several occasions that driving around on private property doesn't need to be logged as ON DUTY (driving), so it's no wonder that she has everything else pertaining to shippers and receivers wrong.

mike3fan · Joined: 04 Aug 2006 Posts: 1707 Location: michigan

Dawn wrote: The poster himself was trying to log illegal and I of course the "log" in me had to correct him, he will get busted and if he doesn't good for him :)

This is my "original" post,please point out the part where I was "trying to log illegal"?

Quote: I drive for 5 hours after a 10 hour break,get to shipper and go into sleeper berth for 2 hours waiting for appt.,on duty not driving for 2 hrs loading and then go into sleeper berth for 8 more hours,how many hours can I drive?

Here is my thoughts,since you usually take the time driving between the split sleeper berths and subtract from 11 and that gives you what you can drive I think I have the full 11hrs available,thoughts?

mike3fan · Joined: 04 Aug 2006 Posts: 1707 Location: michigan

Dawn wrote: What I said logs has nothing to do with what you get paid. If you log sleeper you can be paid! If you log line 4, does that mean you will get paid for it, NO! DOT does not always care what you get paid for. We pay our drivers detention pay and most of the time they are in the sleeper reading a book?
Of course you must scale your load, if I remember correctly we wasn't talking about scaling the load? :roll:

How you do/or don't pay your drivers has no bearing on how I get paid,if I show a detention,I damn well better be showing it on my logs.
I know you live in your own little world and all but all companies pay and log things differently and you need to realize that.

Dawn · Joined: 31 Oct 2006 Posts: 323 Location: Indianapolis, In

kc0iv wrote: Once again Dawn shows she has no knowledge (except in her little world). If you Dawn knew more you would have know most tankers scale in the plant. Same goes for most of the larger beer plants.

Plus you have missed the original question. I know you won't listen but I'll say it anyway -- Be for you open your mouth (post) try reading the question and understanding what is going on.

kc0iv

Jack_07 wrote:
I stuck a stick into a hornets nest didn't I Rev. lol

I have worked on both sides of this industry Rev, you could write up 90 percent of the drivers for false logs. Especially when they average the miles they drove by the miles per hour.

Now explain to me how you would know whether or not I switched the sleeper berth with the on duty not driving to give me a full 10 hour break if you was a DOT officer working by the road side and did not witness me doing so?
It sure would look Jam up on paper wouldn't it ?

Now Rev if I told you what was going on the the State of Ga MCCD inspectors your jaws would drop wide open and say not so.

DOT has sat outside shippers/consignee's before (as my phone was ringing off the hook, I was new to the company so they wasn't told to log line 4 for loading/unloading as many companies do not stress to log line 4
time for this). The drivers was being pulled over once they was leaving.

I was responding the person who made the statement above! AS usual in these threads on this board someone makes other statements that need to be corrected. Nothing I said above is incorrect! I will stand my ground :).

Dawn · Joined: 31 Oct 2006 Posts: 323 Location: Indianapolis, In

Rev.Vassago wrote: Dawn wrote: And you response makes no sense what so ever!

As you would say, Dawn, that just shows your lack of intelligence. I understood exactly what he wrote. :lol:

A jack ass would understand:

Dawn · Joined: 31 Oct 2006 Posts: 323 Location: Indianapolis, In

Rev.Vassago wrote: kc0iv wrote: Once again Dawn shows she has no knowledge (except in her little world). If you Dawn knew more you would have know most tankers scale in the plant. Same goes for most of the larger beer plants.

Plus you have missed the original question. I know you won't listen but I'll say it anyway -- Be for you open your mouth (post) try reading the question and understanding what is going on.

kc0iv

Of course, Dawn has said on several occasions that driving around on private property doesn't need to be logged as ON DUTY (driving), so it's no wonder that she has everything else pertaining to shippers and receivers wrong.

No I said it once and that would be the ONE! I corrected myself on! So get your information correct and quit twisting words around!

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