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mike3fan · Joined: 04 Aug 2006 Posts: 1665 Location: michigan

I drive for 5 hours after a 10 hour break,get to shipper and go into sleeper berth for 2 hours waiting for appt.,on duty not driving for 2 hrs loading and then go into sleeper berth for 8 more hours,how many hours can I drive?

Here is my thoughts,since you usually take the time driving between the split sleeper berths and subtract from 11 and that gives you what you can drive I think I have the full 11hrs available,thoughts?

BanditsCousin · Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 3231 Location: Chicago, IL

mike3fan wrote: I drive for 5 hours after a 10 hour break,get to shipper and go into sleeper berth for 2 hours waiting for appt.,on duty not driving for 2 hrs loading and then go into sleeper berth for 8 more hours,how many hours can I drive?

You still have 9 hours to be used for "on duty" or 6 hours MORE drive time and 3 hrs "on duty". Trim your load time an hour if possible, if spent in the sleeper (napping, reading a magazine, watching TV, etc).

BanditsCousin · Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 3231 Location: Chicago, IL

The split sleeper berth stops the clock, it doesn't extend it. The minimum is 2 hrs to split the sleeper berth, but is not limited to it. Its a good idea to log more than the remaining balance of needed sleeper berth time to make the logs look good. :wink:

Rev.Vassago · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 5402 Location: Green Bay, WI

BanditsCousin wrote: mike3fan wrote: I drive for 5 hours after a 10 hour break,get to shipper and go into sleeper berth for 2 hours waiting for appt.,on duty not driving for 2 hrs loading and then go into sleeper berth for 8 more hours,how many hours can I drive?

You still have 9 hours to be used for "on duty" or 6 hours MORE drive time and 3 hrs "on duty". Trim your load time an hour if possible, if spent in the sleeper (napping, reading a magazine, watching TV, etc).

Nope. The 14 hour clock started when he began driving the 5 hours.

5 driving
+ 2 waiting
+ 2 unloding
__________
9 hours into the 14 hour clock

You can drive another 5 hours before you have to stop driving for an additional 2 hours. At that point, you have another 6 hours drivng time available to you.

Once you begin splitting your sleeper berth time, the only thing that will get you off of it is a full 10 hours off duty or sleeper berth.

BanditsCousin · Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 3231 Location: Chicago, IL

Rev, he went into the sleeper for 2 hrs waiting (I'm assuming he logged it in the sleeper). He did spend 2 hrs "on duty" during the load (which I assume is logged as on-duty).

5 hrs (driving)
2 hrs (loading-on duty)
2 hrs (sleeper berth-waiting to be loaded)
___________________
7 hrs worked

remaining hours- 14 -7 = 7hrs (6 can be used for driving)

If he "trimmed" the load time on duty, he could free up some more time, or bank it for the rest of the week :wink:

edit: he does not have 9 more hours, as stated originally stated. I dunno where or how i got that figure :oops:

Rev.Vassago · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 5402 Location: Green Bay, WI

BanditsCousin wrote: Rev, he went into the sleeper for 2 hrs waiting (I'm assuming he logged it in the sleeper). He did spend 2 hrs "on duty" during the load (which I assume is logged as on-duty).

5 hrs (driving)
2 hrs (loading-on duty)
2 hrs (sleeper berth-waiting to be loaded)
___________________
7 hrs worked

remaining hours- 14 -7 = 7hrs (6 can be used for driving)

If he "trimmed" the load time on duty, he could free up some more time, or bank it for the rest of the week :wink:

edit: he does not have 9 more hours, as stated originally stated. I dunno where or how i got that figure :oops:

The 14 hour clock DOES NOT STOP for that 2 hours he spent in the sleeper berth. The only thing that stops the 14 hour clock is 8 hours or more in the sleeper berth. Therefore, it must be counted in the 14 hour clock:

5 driving
2 sleeper
2 unloading
_________
9 hours used up on the 14 hour clock.

After the 8 hours in the sleeper berth, he has 5 hours remaining before the 14 hour clock expires, which can be spent driving. At that point, he must stop for 2 hours:

5 driving
2 sleeper
_______
7 hours used up on the 14 hour clock.

At that point, he can drive an additional 6 hours, at which point the 11 hour clock is used up. He must then stop for AT LEAST 8 hours before he can drive again.

Your mistake, BC, is that you aren't counting the 2 hours sleeper berth in the 14 hour clock. ANYTHING under 8 hours counts towards the 14 hour clock.

BanditsCousin · Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 3231 Location: Chicago, IL

I've bnever been hit with a violaton for the 2 hr rule- i learned it from dad. I do it all the time, in fact.

I've extended my day of times by logging 2 hours in the sleeper, not exceeding 14 hrs total from my initial pre-trip, but ALWAYS catching up with 8+hrs of sleeper birth at the end of 14 hrs.

Must be a United thing? I blame it on Mayflower :lol:

BanditsCousin · Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 3231 Location: Chicago, IL

Rev, we are both wrong.

We need Dawn to set us straight!!! :lol: :lol:

Rev.Vassago · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 5402 Location: Green Bay, WI

BanditsCousin wrote: I've bnever been hit with a violaton for the 2 hr rule- i learned it from dad. I do it all the time, in fact.

Dad was wrong. Anything under 8 hours doesn't stop the 14 hour clock. I just drew it out on a log to confirm that I was correct.

Quote: I've extended my day of times by logging 2 hours in the sleeper, not exceeding 14 hrs total from my initial pre-trip, but ALWAYS catching up with 8+hrs of sleeper birth at the end of 14 hrs.

The 14 hours starts when you first go on duty, and doesn't stop until 8 hours or more is logged in the sleeper berth, or OFF DUTY. This was the major change from the "old rules" (not to be confused with the "old, old rules").

Quote: Must be a United thing? I blame it on Mayflower :lol:

Bekins. Just sayin'. :wink:

glasman2 · Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:30 pm Post subject:

BanditsCousin wrote: Rev, we are both wrong.

We need Dawn to set us straight!!! :lol: :lol:

Yup.... I was just thinking after I read the topic "oh god ... here goes another one"

golfhobo · Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:35 pm Post subject: Re: Split sleeper berth question

mike3fan wrote: I drive for 5 hours after a 10 hour break,get to shipper and go into sleeper berth for 2 hours waiting for appt.,on duty not driving for 2 hrs loading and then go into sleeper berth for 8 more hours,how many hours can I drive?

Here is my thoughts,since you usually take the time driving between the split sleeper berths and subtract from 11 and that gives you what you can drive I think I have the full 11hrs available,thoughts?

Mike3fan: I KNOW that everyone else who has posted here will argue with me, but YOU ARE RIGHT!

You still have your full 11 hours driving time. However, the 2 hours loading time WILL count against your 14 hour clock, so you only have 12 hours left to drive the 11.

I will NOT defend my position tonight, those who THINK they know the rules better than I, can assail me all they want. But, as usual, they are NOT listening to the facts as you've posted them, and are bent on "quoting" regs, instead of "understanding" them!

Since you didn't DRIVE between your two breaks, you still have all 11 hours left to drive. Your most recent clock started AFTER your initial 2 hour break in the sleeper waiting to get loaded. The 2 hours loading are on line 4, followed by the 8 hour sleeper break. You now have only 12 hours left within which to drive ALL 11 HOURS, if you want. However, if you do so, you'll need to take a full 10 hour break to get hours back, because you will have driven the full 11. Got it?

BanditsCousin · Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 3231 Location: Chicago, IL

Paging dawn...you have a cleanup in aisle 5!

We have 3 different views here. :lol:

Rev.Vassago · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 5402 Location: Green Bay, WI

golfhobo wrote: Mike3fan: I KNOW that everyone else who has posted here will argue with me, but YOU ARE RIGHT!

You still have your full 11 hours driving time. However, the 2 hours loading time WILL count against your 14 hour clock, so you only have 12 hours left to drive the 11.

Yes, after drawing it up again, I see where I made the mistake. The first 14 hour clock was satisfied when the 8 hour break took place. The second 14 hour clock started when he went onto the dock. 11 hours are available for driving.

Quote: I will NOT defend my position tonight, those who THINK they know the rules better than I, can assail me all they want. But, as usual, they are NOT listening to the facts as you've posted them, and are bent on "quoting" regs, instead of "understanding" them!

I haven't seen one reg quoted here. :roll:

mike3fan · Joined: 04 Aug 2006 Posts: 1665 Location: michigan

thanks guys,I thought that the 10 hrs sleeper berth with no driving would give me 11hrs driving time,leaving now before you know who shows up and really screws it up.

Rev.Vassago · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 5402 Location: Green Bay, WI

mike3fan wrote: thanks guys,I thought that the 10 hrs sleeper berth with no driving would give me 11hrs driving time,leaving now before you know who shows up and really screws it up.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

At least I only partially screwed it up. :lol: :lol:

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