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danj_otr
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:26 pm Post subject: Eaton Fuller 9 Speed Manual Trannies |
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This is not so much of a maintenance question as a question of weather or not this will do damage to the tranny.
When I was driving I was told that the 9 Speed Eaton Fullers can be shifted into 4th(or 5th if you consider the granny a gear) gear by means of going into high range and shifting into the what would be the low gear.
I have done it numerous times when I have been driving, but wanted to be sure it really is a problem or not. |
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Splitshifter
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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This has been discussed here before: http://www.classadrivers.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=22928 .
I have done that, and I personally don't see how it would cause any harm, but I'm not an Eaton Fuller transmission engineer.
It does work good when turning a corner, you don't have to make a range shift, just leave it in hi range and shift the stick into lo. |
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danj_otr
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| Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| That's kind of what I thought, Thank you! |
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roadranger
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| That gear is more like half way between fourth and fifth. See http://www.classadrivers.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=22928 8) |
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Birken Vogt
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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The reason they say not to use it, is that the range (rear) box isn't designed to take all the torque in high range that the main (front) box throws at it when in the "L" position. Obviously this depends on the engine and how much torque it has. Just depends who pays the repair bills I guess!
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roadranger
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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Birken Vogt wrote: The reason they say not to use it, is that the range (rear) box isn't designed to take all the torque in high range that the main (front) box throws at it when in the "L" position.
I've heard that too - but I think it is just "CB" talk. In high range the rear box is staright thru - no gears involved. In low range it is using a gear reduction that should be more fragile than a straight thru lockup! I've challenged folks in the past to point out where Eaton states this and so far no winners :lol: . |
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Birken Vogt
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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I agree it sounds strange but for liability purposes they are never going to reveal their reasons for such things. All they will ever do is tell you not to.
Can you point to anywhere it says why you can't split the low range in a 13 speed? Yet we all know it is the same reason.
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Splitshifter
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: Can you point to anywhere it says why you can't split the low range in a 13 speed? Yet we all know it is the same reason.
Because on a 13 speed the shift knob has an interlock that won't permit the splitter button to come out of under when the range selector is in low range.
An 18 speed is essentially the same transmission, just the knob does not have this interlock and the splitter can be used in low or high range. |
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Birken Vogt
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:40 am Post subject: |
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An 18 speed has the same parts but is much stouter than a 13 speed. Why not put an 18 speed knob on your 13 speed transmission and see what happens?
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Splitshifter
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 8:49 am Post subject: |
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Birken Vogt wrote: An 18 speed has the same parts but is much stouter than a 13 speed. Why not put an 18 speed knob on your 13 speed transmission and see what happens?
Birken
The only 18 speed that would be "stouter" would be the 22918 rated at 2250 ft lbs of torque.
Any of the other Fuller models are the same torque capacity whether 13 or 18 speed, for example a 18913 and a 18918 are both rated for 1850 ft lbs, and a 20913 and a 20918 are both rated for 2050 ft lbs.
Quote: Why not put an 18 speed knob on your 13 speed transmission and see what happens?
The only thing that would "happen" is that you would now have an 18 speed.
And if referring to Mack 13 and 18 speed transmissions the same holds true- all the T200 series of Mack transmissions are rated in excess of 2500 ft lbs of torque due to the triple countershaft design.
A Mack T2130 13 speed can be converted to a T2180 18 speed by simply installing an 18 speed shift knob.
And while we're discussing this, yes I do use the "mystery gear" (LO on the stick while in HI range) on a regular basis, and have never observed any ill effects on the transmission from doing so.
It works great for turning corners, no need to go to lo range for 4th, then right away go back to hi range for 5th, instead I just downshift into "mystery gear, turn the corner, and go up from there. |
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WreckInspector
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:13 pm Post subject: Eaton 13-18 Difference |
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As far as the mystery gear, I can't tell you why Eaton says not to use it...
But the main difference between the RTLO 13 and 18 speeds is in the Aux box. The 13 speed uses only a bushing in the mainshaft of the aux box on the splitter output. The 18 uses an actual bearing inside of it, because of the increased number of gear splits. You can change knobs on a 13 and get it to function like an 18, but you'll lock up the back box eventually. |
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