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Jackrabbit379 · Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 4741 Location: Wichita Falls,Tx

Well,last night,when we(the guy I work with,and I)got to the warehouse,our Safety Director came out of the office,and we went in for a brief safety meeting. :? We get paid by the hour,so we didn't care. :P Well,it was over the hours,and logs,and stuff. He had a sheet of paper that had some of the regs,and what not. He was reading what was on paper about writing down our trailer numbers,and stuff(basically,filling out a log sheet),and he went over filling out a pre trip sheet. :| :? :roll: He asked us if we write down our converter dolly numbers. Me and my buddy,Doug both said,"yeah,on our pre trips". Well,our Safety man told us that we need to write down them on our logs as well. Of course,we told him that dollies are not DOT registered,no tags.,...We went back and forth for a little while. So,I guess,I will have to find room on that little truck/trailer box on the log to write down the dolly number,along with all the doubles.(pulling wiggle wagons takes up all the space in that box :P )

Anyway,to get to my question,.....and I guess,I should just do it,and not worry about it,but what does DOT have to say about writing down a converter dolly number,along with your trailers numbers? Ive had my logs checked once,and the DOT man never said a word. If there is any other wiggle wagon pullers here,do yall log your converter dollies? Are we required to write down the converter dolly on the log?

classicxl · Joined: 08 Nov 2004 Posts: 1195 Location: Rosemount MN

if your safety guy wants it write it down

Jackrabbit379 · Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 4741 Location: Wichita Falls,Tx

Yeah,that was what I was thinking. Just hard-headed. :P

classicxl · Joined: 08 Nov 2004 Posts: 1195 Location: Rosemount MN

yea what the hell if it keeps them out of your hair it is worth it

Jackrabbit379 · Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 4741 Location: Wichita Falls,Tx

That aint no lie. :lol:

Uturn2001 · Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:42 pm Post subject:

For some reason I seem to remember reading this in the CDL handbook I got from the DMV here in IL when I was studying to take all my written tests several years ago and the same argument was brought up in class about the dolly not being liscenced or registered and the answer given was that since it was a piece of equipment used on the roadway, like a truck or trailer, that it needed to be recorded. (My memory could be off on this too).

Since I could find nothing in the FMCSA regs I can only surmise there are a few possibilities.

1. It used to be a reg and the FMCSA changed it/deleted it some years ago.

2. It is something a few states want done from carriers who are based in those states.

3. I need to take some more vicodin and go back to bed. :wink: :wink:

Dawn · Joined: 31 Oct 2006 Posts: 323 Location: Indianapolis, In

Below is the regulations for Pre-Trip: The pre-trip is a walk around of your post-trip inspection. The pre is at the beginning of the day (which is a walk around) the post-trip is your thorough inspection the one that really counts. To me they both count!

Remind you Canada is backwards: Their pre-trip is the most important.

If DOT looks at your logs, they look for one of them to be on line 4.
If you do a thorough POST-TRIP you may save yourself some downtime while your truck/trailer is being repaired.

�392.7 Equipment, inspection and use.
No commercial motor vehicle shall be driven unless the driver is satisfied that the following parts and accessories are in good working order, nor shall any driver fail to use or make use of such parts and accessories when and as needed:
Service brakes, including trailer brake connections.

Parking (hand) brake.
Steering mechanism.
Lighting devices and reflectors.
Tires.
Horn.
Windshield wiper or wipers.
Rear-vision mirror or mirrors.
Coupling devices.

�396.13 Driver inspection.
Before driving a motor vehicle, the driver shall:
(a) Be satisfied that the motor vehicle is in safe operating condition;
(b) Review the last driver vehicle inspection report; and
(c) Sign the report, only if defects or deficiencies were noted by the driver who prepared the report, to acknowledge that the driver has reviewed it and that there is a certification that the required repairs have been performed. The signature requirement does not apply to listed defects on a towed unit which is no longer part of the vehicle combination.

These was copied and pasted straight from the Green Book!

Rev.Vassago · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 5197 Location: Green Bay, WI

Dawn wrote: If DOT looks at your logs, they look for one of them to be on line 4.

Please explain exactly how you can perform a pretrip or post trip inspection that ISN'T done on line 4. :roll:

Quote: �395.2 Definitions.

As used in this part, the following words and terms are construed to mean:

On duty time means all time from the time a driver begins to work or is required to be in readiness to work until the time the driver is relieved from work and all responsibility for performing work. On duty time shall include:

(2) All time inspecting, servicing, or conditioning any commercial motor vehicle at any time;

tndieselgrl · Joined: 01 Sep 2005 Posts: 534 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma

Rev.Vassago wrote: Dawn wrote: If DOT looks at your logs, they look for one of them to be on line 4.

Please explain exactly how you can perform a pretrip or post trip inspection that ISN'T done on line 4. :roll:

Quote: �395.2 Definitions.

As used in this part, the following words and terms are construed to mean:

On duty time means all time from the time a driver begins to work or is required to be in readiness to work until the time the driver is relieved from work and all responsibility for performing work. On duty time shall include:

(2) All time inspecting, servicing, or conditioning any commercial motor vehicle at any time;

Only if it takes you less than 15 minutes, in which case you can flag it (listing how long it took your to complete the inspection) instead of completing a change of duty status/changing lines. Of course, if you do that, DOT can question your ability to do a complete vehicle inspection in less than 15 minutes...

Rev.Vassago · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 5197 Location: Green Bay, WI

tndieselgrl wrote: Only if it takes you less than 15 minutes, in which case you can flag it (listing how long it took your to complete the inspection) instead of completing a change of duty status/changing lines. Of course, if you do that, DOT can question your ability to do a complete vehicle inspection in less than 15 minutes...

I have yet to find someone who can actually pull that one off. :wink:

tndieselgrl · Joined: 01 Sep 2005 Posts: 534 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma

Rev.Vassago wrote: tndieselgrl wrote: Only if it takes you less than 15 minutes, in which case you can flag it (listing how long it took your to complete the inspection) instead of completing a change of duty status/changing lines. Of course, if you do that, DOT can question your ability to do a complete vehicle inspection in less than 15 minutes...

I have yet to find someone who can actually pull that one off. :wink:

I agree! It's the only way to get off the line 4 requirement you were talking about though :lol:

Dawn · Joined: 31 Oct 2006 Posts: 323 Location: Indianapolis, In

Rev.Vassago wrote: Dawn wrote: If DOT looks at your logs, they look for one of them to be on line 4.

Please explain exactly how you can perform a pretrip or post trip inspection that ISN'T done on line 4. :roll:

Quote: �395.2 Definitions.

As used in this part, the following words and terms are construed to mean:

On duty time means all time from the time a driver begins to work or is required to be in readiness to work until the time the driver is relieved from work and all responsibility for performing work. On duty time shall include:

(2) All time inspecting, servicing, or conditioning any commercial motor vehicle at any time;

Because IF a driver can do his/her pre-trip in less than 15 minutes they can flag it! (I personally would spend 15 minutes @ least, but that is me being safe and accurate) Can you do a pre-trip in less than 15 minutes, the one that is required?
Your post-trip you have a full inspection and will require the inspection and the writting of the report so it should take you @ least 15 minutes (if not longer, I would lean against longer)

I used your words about the 15 minutes!
I would normally say if you can do it in less than 7.5 minutes you can flag it (being the pre-trip). The post-trip, if you can do all that in less than 7.5 or 15 minutes well you are super trucker, don't log any and I guess you can see what DOT says. The post-trip will/should take you @ least 15 minutes (which means line 4)
:D

Rev.Vassago · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 5197 Location: Green Bay, WI

Dawn wrote: Can you do a pre-trip in less than 15 minutes, the one that is required?

No. :roll:

tndieselgrl · Joined: 01 Sep 2005 Posts: 534 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma

Dawn wrote:
Because IF a driver can do his/her pre-trip in less than 15 minutes they can flag it! (I personally would spend 15 minutes @ least, but that is me being safe and accurate) Can you do a pre-trip in less than 15 minutes, the one that is required?
Your post-trip you have a full inspection and will require the inspection and the writting of the report so it should take you @ least 15 minutes (if not longer, I would lean against longer)

I used your words about the 15 minutes!
I would normally say if you can do it in less than 7.5 minutes you can flag it (being the pre-trip). The post-trip, if you can do all that in less than 7.5 or 15 minutes well you are super trucker, don't log any and I guess you can see what DOT says. The post-trip will/should take you @ least 15 minutes (which means line 4)
:D

:roll: And I said that already, with a much greater economy of words. :roll:

Dawn · Joined: 31 Oct 2006 Posts: 323 Location: Indianapolis, In

Rev.Vassago wrote: Dawn wrote: Can you do a pre-trip in less than 15 minutes, the one that is required?

No. :roll:

They BOTH are required, but the post-trip is your thorough inspection. Again I said IF you can do your pre-trip in less than 15 minutes great, flag it. Some drivers can and some can't. I DOUBT you can do your post-trip in less than 15 minutes being inspecting everything and filling out the report.

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