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RadioRay
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:40 am Post subject: |
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ssoutlaw wrote: tfmotors wrote: I have to apologize to all for wasting oxygen and energy by reading this thread.
looks to me like only the base stations are getting caught, so dont put your moible in your front room...lol
HAHA! .....................not quite. How 'bout this one!
FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION
Enforcement Bureau
Spectrum Enforcement Division
1270 Fairfield Road
Gettysburg, Pennsylvania 17325-7245
December 6, 2006
South Lake Transport, Inc.
1828 Two Notch Road #A
Lexington, SC 29071-6982
Subject: Warning Notice - Unlicensed Radio Operation
Case #EB-2007-2954
Dear Sir:
Information before the Commission indicates that two of your drivers have been operating radio equipment without a license on 28.085 MHz and causing interference to licensed stations in the 10 meter amateur band.
The drivers were observed operating unlicensed on September 21, 2006 at 4:45 PM in tractors displaying the numbers 2069 (hauling trailer #30877) and 2079 (hauling trailer # 30937)
Please advise your drivers that operation of radio transmitting equipment without a license is a violation of Section 301 of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, 47 U.S.C. Section 301, and will subject them to fine or imprisonment, as well as an in rem seizure of any non-certified radio transmitting equipment, in cooperation with the United States Attorney for your jurisdiction. Monetary forfeitures normally range from $7,500 to $10,000.
You are requested to contact me at 717-338-2502 to discuss this matter.
cc: FCC South Central Regional Director
And the "request" is not one of kindness. They'd best not ignore it! This is posted at www.arrl.org as it is of interest to those LEGAL operators..you know; the ones who EARNED the privilege of using those frequencies! It is a courtesy WARNING to give the companies a chance to CORRECT the problem. IF a driver continues to filch "channels", sooner or later, he will be caught again because those legal operators will quietly follow you down the road, record your conversation (perfectly legal), document your info such as company name, location, frequency, time of day and date--even snap a photo of the truck. It then gets sent in to FCC where further action will be taken. Your company is not going to back you up with this, and, in fact, they have been VERY cooperative with FCC in dealing with "export" radios and "extree" channels in their trucks :twisted: Not a good idea to get caught AGAIN doing this.
And to "Dispatch This", the one quoted above is NOT an isolated incident. A HUGE list of trucking companies have been warned to STOP this practice such as UPS, FedEx, Dowell Express, United Van Lines, Estes, Superior Carriers, Tidewater Transit, JW Randolph, Melton Truck Lines, Covenant, Prime--a BUNCH dating back to 2001!! That doesn't include OTHER actions related to this problem such as a number of CB shops and Travel Centers being warned or fined. Pilot Travel Centers settled their NAL for $90,000! Gambler's CB shop recently got hit for $21,000.
So it might be "funny" to you, but I betcha it ain't funny to those guys who now must pay the price of a decent used car ($10,000) because they thought they were smarter than the average "bear" (or FCC agent)! :twisted: OR end up in JAIL!! For those drivers who think who think THEY are smarter than FCC or their company, keep doing this!!! I write these notes to let people know that there is a "bridge" out up the road! Sooner or later, if you think you have some "right" to run "them channels", it's just a matter of time! :sad: They ARE working on something to combat this and FCC attorneys are crafting their response to this so all the legal "T"'s are crossed. I would bet that, sooner or later, like radar detectors, "10 Meter" 'Amateur' (yeah, right) radios will be illegal in CMV's especially if they find that it has been modified to work OUTSIDE 10 Meters. OR they will be just flat out illegal to HAVE in a CMV! :shock:
Best course? Buy a LEGAL CB radio, follow the LAW. OR study for the Amateur ticket. It is easier than ever before. Like CB, there are LAWS to follow.................BUT!!! You will HAVE more "channels" than you will know what to DO with! :P More distance than that outdated and OUTLAWED cb ever dreamed of having--BEEG leenyar not withstanding! You can take a FIVE watt handheld that will drop in your pocket, work thru a repeater and talk for 50 miles OR SEVEN STATES depending where you are!! :shock:
So Drive Safe and LEGAL
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Useless
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:07 am Post subject: |
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| :roll: Has this subject been talked to death??? ... or has this subject been talked to death??? |
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Jackrabbit379
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Location: Wichita Falls,Tx
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:11 am Post subject: |
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Huh? :P
but,How do they know when you got a big,illegal radio? They say,"Joe Blow trucking,I need you to pull over,please". "Ten foe". "Let me have your radio." Thank ya,here's your fine" :P :| :? :P |
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ssoutlaw
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Location: Indianapolis,In
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| Yes this subject is a dead HORSE....lol Now if we could just convince Ray to follow every law on the books, the world would be perfect...lol |
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RadioRay
Joined: 15 Dec 2004
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Location: North Carolina
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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Jackrabbit379 wrote: Huh? :P
but,How do they know when you got a big,illegal radio? They say,"Joe Blow trucking,I need you to pull over,please". "Ten foe". "Let me have your radio." Thank ya,here's your fine" :P :| :? :P
Well, first of all, the monitors HEAR the drivers transmitting, for example, on 28 MHZ. Since THAT is illegal in itself, it obviously requires a means of getting ON those frequencies! That "means" is a modified "10 Meter
'Amateur' Radio" which has had the CB band added to it. This also allows the radio to not only operate on the 10 Meter band, it usually enables the blasted thing to operate from 24 (12 Meters) up thru 30 MHZ. The most popular "channel" is 28.085 using the AM mode. Trouble is, this area is reserved for Morse Code, teletype and other non-voice modes. Not even the licensed Amateurs are allowed to transmit VOICE between 28.000 and 28.300 MHZ. That means that the driver who is yakkin' up there sticks out like a sore thumb! :shock: If he ventures above the digital area, then the hams will notice it quick! If they haven't realized that it is a "bandit", they may ask for an Amateur Radio Callsign. Additionally, those clipped, snipped, beeped and squeaked super-modulation combined with the often "shakey" and "trucky", or echo-ey sound of a truck will give the illegal driver away. They don't HAVE to know what you have in the truck. They CAN determine via a number of ways WHICH truck is transmitting (by riding beside the truck) and all they have to do is copy down your company name, what frequency you're filching, location, direction of travel, date and time, etc. It is then sent to the Special Counsel for Amateur Enforcement in Gettysburg, PA who, in turn, sends your company a WARNING letter. They MUST reply to this official correspondence detailing what they will do to prevent it happening again. When they reply, the FCC attorney will suggest :wink: that the company simply put out a policy letter FORBIDDING non-certified, non-licensed radio equipment in their fleet and making it a FIRING offense to have it installed. :shock: GOOD MOVE!! Should a driver get caught AGAIN, or ANOTHER driver gets caught, thus disobeying the company policy, he'll cool his heels looking for another gig!
It may be boring to some of us, but this IS a serious matter. WHY? Because ALL radio services have a reasonable expectation to be able to use their OWN radio frequencies without encumbrance from illegal operators. IOW, Police systems, fire, taxis, rescue squads, TV/stereo uses, licensed hams---ALL are protected from the incursions of non-wanted and illegal radio users. Tell me, would you install a POLICE radio in your truck and try to talk to the cops? WHY not? Then WHY do those who install illegal radios and use "channels" they have no business on do it? :sad: Now, drivers have also been going BELOW the CB frequencies and filching on the military frequencies. In FCC's coming actions against illegal CB operators, this is being looked at as well!
You have F O R T Y channels on which to play! :D USE 'em! Leave the rest of them alone!
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jnk2001
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Can most ppl follow radiorays posts without falling asleep half way through? :lol: :lol: :lol: |
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yoopr
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| I' m guessing he rants on all Trucking forums with this stuff |
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crazytex
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I myself am a licensed Amateur Radio Operator, and am not offended nor bored with these posts..... for those that want to operate legally the FCC has dropped the CW(Morse code) requirement for ALL License classes which should take effect sometime next month (30 days after posted in the national register)... If you are tired of the BS on Channel 19(17 on I-5corridor) take it to another channel or better yet, help the FCC in finding/fine'ing those illegal operators and taking them off the air -permanently-!!! There are many Truck Drivers and locals using the Amateur Bands LEGALLY .......
73'
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Useless
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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yoopr wrote: I' m guessing he rants on all Trucking forums with this stuff
If he'll give me a mailing address, I'll be glad to send him a quarter!!
Then he can call someone who gives a rat's a$$!! :P |
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glasman2
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Question RadioRay...
Why are you worried about all this? |
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ssoutlaw
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glasman2 wrote: Question RadioRay...
Why are you worried about all this?
Because he thinks it directly effects him, but he will still break a law sometime every now and then in his personal vehicle or someplace else, but that's ok to him!
Anyone who says they always obey every law while driving has a serious problem with telling the truth! My question is if you were to break a law, would it be better to break a law while driving, or talk on a ham channel without a license? Which one is dangerous and which is not? I believe Jesus Christ was the only perfect person, so I think when someone bitches about someone using 10 meter without a license they must be perfect, or a hypocrite!
Can we put this to sleep NOW! |
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RadioRay
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ssoutlaw wrote: glasman2 wrote: Question RadioRay...
Why are you worried about all this?
Because he thinks it directly effects him, but he will still break a law sometime every now and then in his personal vehicle or someplace else, but that's ok to him!
Anyone who says they always obey every law while driving has a serious problem with telling the truth! My question is if you were to break a law, would it be better to break a law while driving, or talk on a ham channel without a license? Which one is dangerous and which is not? I believe Jesus Christ was the only perfect person, so I think when someone bitches about someone using 10 meter without a license they must be perfect, or a hypocrite!
Can we put this to sleep NOW!
OK, fine. but the statement/question above "Which is dangerous and which is not" illustrates the attitude I have already outlined and demonstrates the clueness-ness of many CB operators because they are not TRAINED to know why it is against the law. The last statement has no merit because you have no IDEA about me or anyone else, thus not qualified to make that judgement. Funny: Almost every time the subject of illegal radio comes up, the unqualified drag out that SAME old tired argument about traffic laws. I CAN tell you THIS! I have not had a traffic ticket since 1982, nor a chargeable accident. MY faults have NOTHING to do with the discussion at hand. The question is that DRIVERS are yapping on frequencies where they have NO business! It causes harm to LEGITIMATE operators who have followed the law for the privilege of using a valuable, but intangible, resource. It CAN cost LIVES where an operator is attempting to assist ships, cars, people and those who are ignorant of the ill effects talk where they don't belong! THAT is why CBers are allowed 40 distinct channels and 4 watts. Anything else IS rightfully AGAINST the LAW!
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glasman2
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I think you need to take a chill pill.
Questions to a mod or admin , is there a way to disable post from certain people so you don't have to read there ramblings. Granted I walked into this one, but have fell into others where they were in the middle. |
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ssoutlaw
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RadioRay wrote: ssoutlaw wrote: glasman2 wrote: Question RadioRay...
Why are you worried about all this?
Because he thinks it directly effects him, but he will still break a law sometime every now and then in his personal vehicle or someplace else, but that's ok to him!
Anyone who says they always obey every law while driving has a serious problem with telling the truth! My question is if you were to break a law, would it be better to break a law while driving, or talk on a ham channel without a license? Which one is dangerous and which is not? I believe Jesus Christ was the only perfect person, so I think when someone bitches about someone using 10 meter without a license they must be perfect, or a hypocrite!
Can we put this to sleep NOW!
OK, fine. but the statement/question above "Which is dangerous and which is not" illustrates the attitude I have already outlined and demonstrates the clueness-ness of many CB operators because they are not TRAINED to know why it is against the law. The last statement has no merit because you have no IDEA about me or anyone else, thus not qualified to make that judgement. Funny: Almost every time the subject of illegal radio comes up, the unqualified drag out that SAME old tired argument about traffic laws. I CAN tell you THIS! I have not had a traffic ticket since 1982, nor a chargeable accident. MY faults have NOTHING to do with the discussion at hand. The question is that DRIVERS are yapping on frequencies where they have NO business! It causes harm to LEGITIMATE operators who have followed the law for the privilege of using a valuable, but intangible, resource. It CAN cost LIVES where an operator is attempting to assist ships, cars, people and those who are ignorant of the ill effects talk where they don't belong! THAT is why CBers are allowed 40 distinct channels and 4 watts. Anything else IS rightfully AGAINST the LAW!
RR
I don't want you speeding on my HWY, its not safe and you are hurting other drivers! Alot of criminals committing crimes never get caught, doesn't mean they are not committing crimes. So you not getting a ticket, or having an accident sense 1982 really means nothing to anyone here, you just haven't been caught, YET!! Everyone does something wrong sometimes, so don't ask us to give up something you wont.You get this same response because you keep bringing up the same thing over and over. and jamming it down our throats. Why don't you go start a thread in alcoholics anonymous forum somewhere, I'm sure some of them use mobile 10 meter radios without a license. We have read your posts, and I for 1 think you have your priority's wrong, go campaign where they will listen! You have started so many threads about this same subject, and the way you come off you always draw flack! Remember, no one likes a reformer!!! You know when you come to this forum and post like this is the worst thing anyone could ever do, do do hits the fan and it gets you OFF. Your in the wrong forum for this! I also think training to know why anything is against the law is a load of C@#P. If you are really concerned about your cause, go take a full page add in every newspaper in the country if it means so much to you. Just my 2 cents. Now will you quit??? |
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tfmotors
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RadioRay wrote: ssoutlaw wrote: glasman2 wrote: Question RadioRay...
Why are you worried about all this?
Because he thinks it directly effects him, but he will still break a law sometime every now and then in his personal vehicle or someplace else, but that's ok to him!
Anyone who says they always obey every law while driving has a serious problem with telling the truth! My question is if you were to break a law, would it be better to break a law while driving, or talk on a ham channel without a license? Which one is dangerous and which is not? I believe Jesus Christ was the only perfect person, so I think when someone bitches about someone using 10 meter without a license they must be perfect, or a hypocrite!
Can we put this to sleep NOW!
OK, fine. but the statement/question above "Which is dangerous and which is not" illustrates the attitude I have already outlined and demonstrates the clueness-ness of many CB operators because they are not TRAINED to know why it is against the law. The last statement has no merit because you have no IDEA about me or anyone else, thus not qualified to make that judgement. Funny: Almost every time the subject of illegal radio comes up, the unqualified drag out that SAME old tired argument about traffic laws. I CAN tell you THIS! I have not had a traffic ticket since 1982, nor a chargeable accident. MY faults have NOTHING to do with the discussion at hand. The question is that DRIVERS are yapping on frequencies where they have NO business! It causes harm to LEGITIMATE operators who have followed the law for the privilege of using a valuable, but intangible, resource. It CAN cost LIVES where an operator is attempting to assist ships, cars, people and those who are ignorant of the ill effects talk where they don't belong! THAT is why CBers are allowed 40 distinct channels and 4 watts. Anything else IS rightfully AGAINST the LAW!
RR
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