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srytrucker
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| Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:02 pm Post subject: Tire Checks every 5 Hrs is it mandatory ? |
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| Hi i have been trained by a guy who would insist on TC every 5 hrs of driving now someone told me under new HOS it is not mandatory and in fact i can just drive 11 HRS straight (no breaks) and then go off duty/sleep .......... :?: |
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emerlin
Joined: 23 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| I think it's actually every three hours. IIRC, you are required to check your load and your tires at least every three hours. Can't recall if it's in the HOS or some other DOT reg. Plus, I'm too lazy to look it up. |
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got mud?
Joined: 27 May 2006
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| Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: Tire Checks every 5 Hrs is it mandatory ? |
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srytrucker wrote: Hi i have been trained by a guy who would insist on TC every 5 hrs of driving now someone told me under new HOS it is not mandatory and in fact i can just drive 11 HRS straight (no breaks) and then go off duty/sleep .......... :?:
i'm not 100% sure but I believe only a post trip is required by dot |
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Useless
Joined: 08 Oct 2005
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Location: Canyon Lake, Tx.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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Mandated or not, checking the tires regularly and routinely will accomplish a number of things
!.) Improve Safety
2.) Improve fuel mileage.
3.) Reduce down time caused by unnecessary blow-outs.
My hat is off to anyone who insists upon checking tire pressure every five hours, whether it is mandated, or not!! 8) |
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ken_o
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| Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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The rule use to be every 3 hours or x amount of miles whichever came first. I would like to know if it changed also.
Most of the time I dont even flagg it never been bothered. |
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Useless
Joined: 08 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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ken_o wrote: The rule use to be every 3 hours or x amount of miles whichever came first. I would like to know if it changed also.
Most of the time I dont even flagg it never been bothered.
Does that rule apply to ALL drivers, or only those carrying Haz-Mat loads??
I have no recollection of such a rule for general freight.
In any event, I never specifically marked it on my log book, and was never asked about it. Just to cover myself, when I added air to a tire, I did indicate which tire, and how many PSI were added. |
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ken_o
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| Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| I was under the understanding that under the new security rules under this or that administration , made it so hazmat loads wouldnt have to stop on a predictable basis to check tires etcc.. due to increased security risks ie... terroism while before the rules for transporting hazmat loads were more stricter then the norm for tie checks etc... |
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Uturn2001
Joined: 10 Jan 2005
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Location: East Central IL between the corn and the beans
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| Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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There is no longer any mandatory tire/safety/load checks. The TSA has issued a ruling that has been endorsed by the FMCSA the removes the mandatory checks.
It is still encouraged to check your cargo/tires/etc every time you stop. |
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yoopr
Joined: 01 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| old hazmat rule was every 100 miles or 2 hours. |
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ken_o
Joined: 06 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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Uturn2001 wrote: There is no longer any mandatory tire/safety/load checks. The TSA has issued a ruling that has been endorsed by the FMCSA the removes the mandatory checks.
It is still encouraged to check your cargo/tires/etc every time you stop.
excellent thought it was the tsa their not so worthless after all. |
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Rev.Vassago
Joined: 04 Apr 2006
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Location: Green Bay, WI
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| Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 11:10 am Post subject: |
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Useless wrote: My hat is off to anyone who insists upon checking tire pressure every five hours, whether it is mandated, or not
Checking tire pressure on a hot tire will give a false reading. Tire pressure should only be checked when they are cold. |
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Myth_Buster
Joined: 20 Jul 2006
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Location: Dark Side of The Moon
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| Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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Uturn2001
Quote: There is no longer any mandatory tire/safety/load checks. The TSA has issued a ruling that has been endorsed by the FMCSA the removes the mandatory checks.
Quote: §392.7 Equipment, inspection and use.
No commercial motor vehicle shall be driven unless the driver is satisfied that the following parts and accessories are in good working order, nor shall any driver fail to use or make use of such parts and accessories when and as needed:
Service brakes, including trailer brake connections.
Parking (hand) brake.
Steering mechanism.
Lighting devices and reflectors.
Tires.
Horn.
Windshield wiper or wipers.
Rear-vision mirror or mirrors.
Coupling devices.
Some disagree with the thought the above section applies to any time the vehicle is stopped. However, the fact is Part 392 is operation of a CMV and applies at any time.
There is also:
Quote: § 392.9 Inspection of cargo, cargo securement devices and systems.
(a) General. A driver may not operate a commercial motor vehicle and a motor carrier may not require or permit a driver to operate a commercial motor vehicle unless-
(b) Drivers of trucks and truck tractors. Except as provided in paragraph (b)(4) of this section, the driver of a truck or truck tractor must-
(b)(1) Assure himself/herself that the provisions of paragraph (a) of this section have been complied with before he/she drives that commercial motor vehicle;
(b)(2) Inspect the cargo and the devices used to secure the cargo within the first 50 miles after beginning a trip and cause any adjustments to be made to the cargo or load securement devices as necessary, including adding more securement devices, to ensure that cargo cannot shift on or within, or fall from the commercial motor vehicle; and
(b)(3) Reexamine the commercial motor vehicle's cargo and its load securement devices during the course of transportation and make any necessary adjustment to the cargo or load securement devices, including adding more securement devices, to ensure that cargo cannot shift on or within, or fall from, the commercial motor vehicle. Reexamination and any necessary adjustments must be made whenever -
(b)(3)(i) The driver makes a change of his/her duty status; or
(b)(3)(ii) The commercial motor vehicle has been driven for 3 hours; or
(b)(3)(iii) The commercial motor vehicle has been driven for 150 miles, whichever occurs first.
(b)(4) The rules in this paragraph (b) do not apply to the driver of a sealed commercial motor vehicle who has been ordered not to open it to inspect its cargo or to the driver of a commercial motor vehicle that has been loaded in a manner that makes inspection of its cargo impracticable.
The tire checks in Part 397 were removed, however, Part 392 still has requirements for load securement checks and vehicle condition checks during operation.
Quote: §392.7 Equipment, Inspection, and Use
Question 1: Must a driver prepare a written report of a pretrip inspection performed under §392.7?
Guidance: No.
Question 2: Must both drivers of a team operation comply with the provisions of §392.7 before driving?
Guidance: §392.7 states that a driver must be satisfied that the vehicle is in good working order before operating the vehicle. If a driver is satisfied with a co-driver's inspection, or a safety lane inspection, then the requirement of this section will have been met.
FYI, the driver inspection section is different:
Quote: §396.13 Driver inspection.
Before driving a motor vehicle, the driver shall:
(a) Be satisfied that the motor vehicle is in safe operating condition;
(b) Review the last driver vehicle inspection report; and
(c) Sign the report, only if defects or deficiencies were noted by the driver who prepared the report, to acknowledge that the driver has reviewed it and that there is a certification that the required repairs have been performed. The signature requirement does not apply to listed defects on a towed unit which is no longer part of the vehicle combination.
Be safe. |
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kjax
Joined: 05 Nov 2006
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| FMCSR 397.17 (hazmat) |
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allan5oh
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| Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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Rev.Vassago wrote: Useless wrote: My hat is off to anyone who insists upon checking tire pressure every five hours, whether it is mandated, or not
Checking tire pressure on a hot tire will give a false reading. Tire pressure should only be checked when they are cold.
Yes they will be high, but what if one tire is 15-20 psi lower then the rest? |
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yoopr
Joined: 01 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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allan5oh wrote: Rev.Vassago wrote: Useless wrote: My hat is off to anyone who insists upon checking tire pressure every five hours, whether it is mandated, or not
Checking tire pressure on a hot tire will give a false reading. Tire pressure should only be checked when they are cold.
Yes they will be high, but what if one tire is 15-20 psi lower then the rest?
You'll hear it or feel it with a Tire Thumper |
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