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brian
Joined: 02 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:09 am Post subject: |
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baldwin filters, because their the best and thats what I demand.
as far as non factory filters go I run a bypass filter, I made the mount on a bridgeport mill and it also uses a baldwin filter, it takes in about 15% of what the factory filtration system takes in and filters it even further, I find it makes a huge difference in my oil change intervals. |
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Bobby
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Location: Ca.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:15 am Post subject: |
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Birken Vogt wrote: Nylon center is also cheaper for them to make but of course they are not going to tell you that nor are they going to pass it on to you...as with all information consider the source and their motivations....
Birken
Motivation ? I figured a company as BIG as Caterpillar sure didn't need to start a small filter mfg. plant (165 employee's ) to make cheap filters for extra money... and create risk for all their products.
Just the opposite IMO, make a better filter... they benifit the customer benifits. |
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bob h
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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Bobby wrote; Well, I put Cat filters on this last service. They were a little more but not that much...about $15/20 more for all 3 filters over the Fleetguards.
Bob h wrote; good choice
I did see a display compairing Cat filters to every other brand at the dealer.
They had them all cut open to show how their made.
The Cat use a nylon center that the oil/fuel flows thru, The others all use a stamped tin center.
the cutaways can be an eye opener; in my shop, i have about a dozen different makes all cut open for a good view... the differences are pretty obvious in many. the nylon center tube is stronger than the stamped tubes so that justifies the increased cost of production as well, the center tube is what stops the filter media from collapsing and blocking oil flow
Their thinking is " no chance of metal contamination w/nylon.
They also have nylon rings around the paper element to keep it spaced evenly so it won't bunch up,
filter bunching has been almost eliminated by their use of "spiral roving"......... bunching causes restriction to flow
none of the other filters did this either.
the roving is patented by cat
There were other differance too,
the filter media is molded to the end caps instead of gluing as the other mans do, they also use a cast aluminum base and a thick metal wall can... all demonstrates a "no expense spared" approach to filter manufacturing intended for their own equipment --- you simply cannot acquire a better filter for your cat engine
but overall IMO they were trying to make a better filter. |
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Buzzard 21
Joined: 18 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:26 am Post subject: |
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Birken Vogt wrote: Nylon center is also cheaper for them to make but of course they are not going to tell you that nor are they going to pass it on to you...as with all information consider the source and their motivations....
Birken
Well maybe you should check with your filter manufacture of choice and ask them if they have a 2 micron fuel filter. When they tell you yes ask them if it is an absolute rating or a nominal rating. The difference is a nominal rating is 50% effective an absolute rating is 98% effective. The last time I checked Cat was the only one that had a 2 micron absolute rated filter. How many of those cheap filters do you have to run to pay for 1 injector failure due to improper filtration. IE "Don't you think that the manufacture knows what they need on an engine for filters?" For me the extra 4 or 5 bucks for the Cat filter is worth it. |
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Blacksheep
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Location: On the edge of insanity.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| My Cat gets Cat filters. :wink: |
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Jackrabbit379
Joined: 22 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:46 am Post subject: |
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| ..and my John Deere gets,John Deere filters. :P |
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Buzzard 21
Joined: 18 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 9:26 am Post subject: |
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| I was just at the Cat shop and they told me the biggest complaint that they get on their filters is that they plug up to fast. Think about it isn't that what a filter is suppose to do. If the filter never plugs up is it really doing it's job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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bob h
Joined: 15 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:35 am Post subject: |
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Jackrabbit379 wrote: ..and my John Deere gets,John Deere filters. :P
...and my destroyit gets ddc filters, and my cummins gets fleetguard, and my gm gets delco.......... i'm quite pig-headed about this stuff : ( |
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bob h
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:37 am Post subject: |
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Buzzard 21 wrote: I was just at the Cat shop and they told me the biggest complaint that they get on their filters is that they plug up to fast. Think about it isn't that what a filter is suppose to do. If the filter never plugs up is it really doing it's job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
L O L !!!
i'm sure they recieved that comment in the form of a complaint as well ;0) |
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jcschotty
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Location: Salem, Oregon
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Quote: I know for a fact that Caterpillar filters are not made by Wix.
Watch out what you say. I work for a truck parts store in Oregon and Washington and we are a Baldwin Distributer. All of the major filter brands (Cat, Wix, Fleetgaurd, Baldwin,...) all buy out from each other. It is impossible for them to produce this many diffrent filters. Try cutting open a few diffrent filters, you might be suprised at what you find. |
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bob h
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| Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:06 am Post subject: |
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jcschotty wrote: Quote: I know for a fact that Caterpillar filters are not made by Wix.
Watch out what you say. I work for a truck parts store in Oregon and Washington and we are a Baldwin Distributer. All of the major filter brands (Cat, Wix, Fleetgaurd, Baldwin,...) all buy out from each other. It is impossible for them to produce this many diffrent filters. Try cutting open a few diffrent filters, you might be suprised at what you find.
each year, i cut open at least 30 different filters; different makes, part #s, applications, etc.............
............ maybe you should tell me which one you think is similar in construction to a cat brand filter, because it is obvously one that i have never encountered |
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heavyhaulerss
Joined: 29 Jan 2007
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Location: north alabama
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:53 am Post subject: |
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| o.k. i know that i cannot tell which oil filter is better by looking at 2 of them cut open on a display counter. why ? because i dont know what i'm looking for or how it filters when in actual use. but i can tell you when i change oil in my detroit when using fleetguard... i notice the oil gets black after couple thousand miles. with the donaldson filters, the oil stays cleaner looking longer. i have done this dozens of times. always the same result. it appears to me, in my unscientific test ... that the donaldson filter.. filters better than fleetguard.. |
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bob h
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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heavyhaulerss wrote: o.k. i know that i cannot tell which oil filter is better by looking at 2 of them cut open on a display counter. why ? because i dont know what i'm looking for or how it filters when in actual use. but i can tell you when i change oil in my detroit when using fleetguard... i notice the oil gets black after couple thousand miles. with the donaldson filters, the oil stays cleaner looking longer. i have done this dozens of times. always the same result. it appears to me, in my unscientific test ... that the donaldson filter.. filters better than fleetguard..
and again..., use ddc filters on your ddc engine - fleetguard is designed for cummins diesels imo, maybe donaldson makes ddc filters ???
when i do an oil change on any of my diesels (6.2L through 14.6L pre-egr diesels), the engine oil is black again by the time i have oil pressure =) |
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Bobby
Joined: 01 Apr 2006
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Location: Ca.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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jcschotty wrote: Quote: I know for a fact that Caterpillar filters are not made by Wix.
Watch out what you say. I work for a truck parts store in Oregon and Washington and we are a Baldwin Distributer. All of the major filter brands (Cat, Wix, Fleetgaurd, Baldwin,...) all buy out from each other. It is impossible for them to produce this many diffrent filters. Try cutting open a few diffrent filters, you might be suprised at what you find.
You need to consider how big Caterpillar is, and the amount of earth moving equipment they produce and have in service.
Their Huge.... 3rd quarter of 06 they employed 93,000+
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar,_Inc. |
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bob h
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| Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:30 am Post subject: |
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Bobby wrote: jcschotty wrote: Quote: I know for a fact that Caterpillar filters are not made by Wix.
Watch out what you say. I work for a truck parts store in Oregon and Washington and we are a Baldwin Distributer. All of the major filter brands (Cat, Wix, Fleetgaurd, Baldwin,...) all buy out from each other. It is impossible for them to produce this many diffrent filters. Try cutting open a few diffrent filters, you might be suprised at what you find.
You need to consider how big Caterpillar is, and the amount of earth moving equipment they produce and have in service.
Their Huge.... 3rd quarter of 06 they employed 96,000+
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caterpillar,_Inc.
cat's truck engine market is nothing more than testing grounds for their heavy equipment engines - research and development |
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