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ecnalubma
Joined: 09 May 2006
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Location: Eastern Canada
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 7:27 am Post subject: DDL Question |
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| I was just wondering if anyone familiar with HOS regulations in Canada could help me out with this. I work a full-time job from Tuesday to Friday and then I drive a tractor-trailer on some of my days off. My question is... do I have to indicate the hours I work through the week at my full-time job on my logbook? I work full-time on an ambulance which is considered a commercial vehicle in my province but, emergency vehicles are exempt from HOS regulations. So, from Tuesday to Friday, would I indicate as Off-Duty or On-Duty? I find the HOS regulations so difficult to apply to part-time drivers! Grr...!! |
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Uturn2001
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:31 am Post subject: |
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In the USA you must log all hours worked for any employer regardless of the type of job held and those hours are used to calculate your total weekly hours available to drive.
I did some searching and the answer would be YES. The same applies in Canada.
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"on-duty time" means the period that begins when a driver commences work or is required by the motor carrier to be available to work and ends when the driver stops work or is relieved of responsibility by the motor carrier, and includes driving time and time spent by the driver
(a) inspecting, servicing, repairing, conditioning or starting a commercial vehicle,
(b) travelling in the commercial vehicle as one of two drivers, where the driver is not resting in the sleeper berth,
(c) participating in the loading or unloading of a commercial vehicle,
(d) inspecting or checking the load of a commercial vehicle,
(e) waiting, at the request of the motor carrier by whom the driver is employed or otherwise engaged, for a commercial vehicle to be serviced, loaded or unloaded,
(f) waiting for a commercial vehicle or load to be inspected at a customs office or weighing check-point,
(g) travelling as a passenger in a commercial vehicle, at the request of the motor carrier by whom the driver is employed or otherwise engaged, to a destination where the driver will commence driving time, if the driver has not had eight consecutive hours of off-duty time immediately after arriving at the destination point,
(h) waiting at an en route point because of an accident or other unplanned occurrence or situation,
(i) resting in or otherwise occupying a commercial vehicle, except time spent resting in a sleeper berth,
(j) performing any other work in the capacity of a motor carrier or driver who is employed or otherwise engaged by a motor carrier, or
(k) performing any work for compensation for any non-motor carrier entity. (heure de service)
Commercial Vehicle Drivers Hours of Service |
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yoopr
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:36 am Post subject: |
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I think you're mis-reading what he said Uturn-or maybe I am.
He's asking, I think, if you have to put on your logs the hours he works at his non-trucking job prior to driving part-time. |
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kc0iv
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:51 am Post subject: |
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yoopr wrote: I think you're mis-reading what he said Uturn-or maybe I am.
He's asking, I think, if you have to put on your logs the hours he works at his non-trucking job prior to driving part-time.
It would appear to me to be covered by: Quote: (k) performing any work for compensation for any non-motor carrier entity. (heure de service)
To me I read that the driver should list it as On-Duty -Not Driving.
I would suggest he contact his local DOT and get their ruling.
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yoopr
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:07 am Post subject: |
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| ok-I missed that |
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Myth_Buster
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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The Canadian HOS are changing 01/01/2007. Drivers should review the changes before they take affect.
http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/mc/menu.htm#HoS
Be safe. |
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ecnalubma
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| I am awaiting a reply from the Vehicle Compliance branch of the Department of Transportation and Public Works here in Nova Scotia but I think the quote, "(k) performing any work for compensation for any non-motor carrier entity. (heure de service)" answered my question. I will likely have to show my time on the ambulance as "On-Duty - Not Driving" That makes sense... :? |
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Dawn
Joined: 31 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:01 am Post subject: |
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ecnalubma wrote: I am awaiting a reply from the Vehicle Compliance branch of the Department of Transportation and Public Works here in Nova Scotia but I think the quote, "(k) performing any work for compensation for any non-motor carrier entity. (heure de service)" answered my question. I will likely have to show my time on the ambulance as "On-Duty - Not Driving" That makes sense... :?
Below is the USA Federal Regulation basically the same question you are asking here. I am not sure if you have read this or not!
Question 29: Although firefighters, emergency medical technicians, paramedics and other public safety professionals are often exempt from the hours-of-service (HOS) regulations under the governmental exception [49 CFR 390.3(f)(2)], they sometimes have second jobs with interstate motor carriers for which they are required to comply with the HOS rules. When one of these individuals has a second job with an interstate motor carrier and works a 24-hour shift for the fire/rescue/emergency services department, is all of the time spent during the shift considered on-duty time?
Guidance: No. Firefighters and other public safety professionals working 24-hour shifts may record time during which they are required or permitted to rest as off-duty time. However, all time that the public safety specialist is required to perform work (e.g., administrative work, cleaning/repairing equipment, operating equipment, etc.) would be considered on-duty time. [Editor's Note] |
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yoopr
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:29 am Post subject: |
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Below is the USA Federal Regulation basically the same question you are asking here
He wasn't asking for that at all-he was asking about Canadian HOS |
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Dawn
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:53 am Post subject: |
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yoopr wrote: Below is the USA Federal Regulation basically the same question you are asking here
He wasn't asking for that at all-he was asking about Canadian HOS
Ok I thought I read he said he was driving in Cananda and USA, but I was reading Uturn comment and well I was still asleep! But he knows the USA reg now :D |
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