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Dawn · Joined: 31 Oct 2006 Posts: 323 Location: Indianapolis, In

Doogle: I sent you an e-mail!

Rev.Vassago · Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:08 pm Post subject:

lonewolf wrote: no what rev said was "prior" 8 days plus current,which would be 9 days of logs,we are only required to have 8 days total,7 prior and the current day we are working on,i was just correcting his obvious typo :P

Yes, but I MEANT the 7 days plus the current day. What I said was irrelevant. :wink: :P

golfhobo · Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:09 am Post subject:

Rev.Vassago wrote: lonewolf wrote: no what rev said was "prior" 8 days plus current,which would be 9 days of logs,we are only required to have 8 days total,7 prior and the current day we are working on,i was just correcting his obvious typo :P

Yes, but I MEANT the 7 days plus the current day. What I said was irrelevant. :wink: :P

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Nice "dodge!" :wink:

golfhobo · Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:36 pm Post subject:

Uturn said:

Quote: At the end of today add up all hours worked from today back 8 days. Subtract from 70 and that will give you the hours available for tomorrow.

The 9th day back will be the amount of hours you will gain for tomorrow when added to any hours left over at the end of today.

Sorry, Uturn, but this is incorrect. Today's available hours are calculated by subtracting the last SEVEN days from 70. Ninth day back is irrelevant.

Doogle: Your example is wrong on line 8.

Other examples and info given is mostly correct, but somewhat confusing to newbies. Using words like "line 1" doesn't adequately indicate what figure you are to "drop off."

I use a J.J.Keller logbook, and there ARE NO lines 1-7 on the individual pages. So.... assuming we are talking about the recap found on the inside cover of the book, let's start from scratch.

There are 31 numbered lines on this recap form for a reason. If the first day you work this month is the 11th. START there. But... let's assume for this example that you start work on the 1st of the month, and just came off a 34 hour reset.

I'm going to show/explain to you a simple matrix that will keep you from having to add up a bunch of numbers all the time. I wish I knew how to use my "draw" program so that I could show it to you, but essentially it goes like this:

From far left column (which is today's hours and I will call column "T" ) to the far right (column C) to the top left (column T(n) where (n) is the EIGHTH day back,) to the bottom left and one column over (which is column "A") to one more over which is column "B."

Now.. asuming the 34 hour reset and starting on day 1 of the month, the totals for A and C will be identical for the first 7 days, and column B will be 70 minus A.

NOW... on the 8th day, do THIS:

Enter today's hours worked (lines 3 & 4 from log SHEET) in column T.

Add T to previous day's A but skip over and enter in column C.

Go to top left and subtract T(n) ... day 1 in this example... from C and enter in today's column A. Subtract A from 70 and enter in column B.

NOW... draw a diagonal line through the box for T(n)!

On day 9.... enter today's hours in T, add to previous A, skip over to C and enter that total. From THAT total (C) subtract T(n) at top left [which will be the second day worked, or the first box without a strikeout through it, and enter that total in today's column A. Subtract THAT amount from 70, and enter in today's column B.

T(n) will always be the first of the previous seven days worked NOT COUNTING today. Don't forget to strike through it after subtracting it from C.

Confused?? Try it... it will make sense. And it works. Remember:

T = todays hours worked.
T + A = C
C - T(n) = A
70 - A = B

In case your recap is NOT labeled like Keller's....

T = today's hours worked.
A = Total for last 7 days.
B = Hours available for tomorrow.
C = Total hours worked last 8 days.

I posted this because Doogle asked for help. I believe this is a simple matrix that works well and "becomes" easy to follow. Just make sure you don't get confused and start subtracting the wrong figures. Follow the steps.

I hope this helps! Now, Rev... go ahead and put me down or argue with me! I'm sure you'll find something wrong with it! :roll:

Hobo

Rev.Vassago · Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:00 pm Post subject:

golfhobo wrote: I hope this helps! Now, Rev... go ahead and put me down or argue with me! I'm sure you'll find something wrong with it! :roll:

I didn't even read it. I have a headache, and just glancing at your post made it worse. :wink:

I don't put down people (unless they deserve it). Just sayin'.

Dawn · Joined: 31 Oct 2006 Posts: 323 Location: Indianapolis, In

I use a J.J.Keller logbook, and there ARE NO lines 1-7 on the individual pages. So.... assuming we are talking about the recap found on the inside cover of the book, let's start from scratch

Golf: I didn't say ALL Keller log books had the lines 1-7, as I know not all of them do. If he did that would have been great, who knows it could be one of my drivers! I did ask for his hours just in case his did and if I had his hours I could help him at least know what the answer should be.
Now I appreciate the information on the front cover, I will study this when I bring a log book home and see if it does help me understand it. As I admitted in the post I never could learn it and I have been doing logs 18 years, but I require my drivers to do their re-cap on their log sheet, that way I know they are doing a re-cap. But thanks for the "DETAILS" on the re-cap I hope I can get it! I really haven't tried though! I am not being a smart butt either!

Thanks

Dawn · Joined: 31 Oct 2006 Posts: 323 Location: Indianapolis, In

Rev.Vassago wrote: golfhobo wrote: I hope this helps! Now, Rev... go ahead and put me down or argue with me! I'm sure you'll find something wrong with it! :roll:

I didn't even read it. I have a headache, and just glancing at your post made it worse. :wink:

I don't put down people (unless they deserve it). Just sayin'.

That is because all you know how to do is "copy & paste" now you know what your post look like, a bunch of words! At least his was his own words and his own knowledge in teaching someone! :lol:

Rev.Vassago · Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:57 pm Post subject:

Dawn wrote: I will study this when I bring a log book home and see if it does help me understand it.

Quote: As I admitted in the post I never could learn it and I have been doing logs 18 years,

Quote: But thanks for the "DETAILS" on the re-cap I hope I can get it! I really haven't tried though!

You are a log book manager, and you can't even do a recap? And yet you are trying to help other people do their recaps? :shock:

Which part is confusing you? Is it the adding of the 7 numbers together? Or perhaps the subtracting from 70? How is doing a recap difficult? Any $0.50 Wal-Mart calculator will do all the work.

Dawn · Joined: 31 Oct 2006 Posts: 323 Location: Indianapolis, In

Rev.Vassago wrote: Dawn wrote: I will study this when I bring a log book home and see if it does help me understand it.

Quote: As I admitted in the post I never could learn it and I have been doing logs 18 years,

Quote: But thanks for the "DETAILS" on the re-cap I hope I can get it! I really haven't tried though!

You are a log book manager, and you can't even do a recap? And yet you are trying to help other people do their recaps? :shock:

Which part is confusing you? Is it the adding of the 7 numbers together? Or perhaps the subtracting from 70? How is doing a recap difficult? Any $0.50 Wal-Mart calculator will do all the work.

As I said before! I require my drivers to do their re-cap on their log sheets! I have never had to learn the re-cap on the front and I have never had anyone actually explain it to me! I do know the drivers who do use it, tend to go over their 70 hour because of confussion! I know how to do a recap!

Why do you have to turn everything around in the words I say? Gosh Rev! One day you will realize it is only you that is being "dumb" I know what I am doing and you or no one else can tell me I DON'T! It is all in the way you and the other one's (not the one's who have personally e-mailed me to thank me) like to turn crap around! I guess you all are young or you are the truck drivers that "know it all" guess what you are the dangerous one's on the road! Because I have been a log auditor for 18 years and I can learn new things every day! I am open to learning and that is why I came here to learn from drivers and drivers to learn from me! I have touched several people here and you Rev or anyone else can't run me off! I have touched thousands of drivers on the road and I am like by thousands! And of course I am a log auditor so I am the mean one, but they of course say that jokingly, cause I am a pleasant person to them as I understand the rough life they lead on the road!

When someone ask a question about the 11 hour rule they don't want all the freaken exceptions, they want to understand how the 11 hour rule works, the exceptions can come later!

So Rev: Being the way you are is only showing me how un intelligent you really are and reminding me that some men are really "JERKS" (You know what I really want to say right?) :lol:

So go Rev up at church and learn some manners :twisted: What you need the devil church :twisted:

yoopr · Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 12865

I have never had to learn the re-cap on the front and I have never had anyone actually explain it to me!

And you're in Safety?

Rev.Vassago · Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:27 pm Post subject:

Dawn wrote: As I said before! I require my drivers to do their re-cap on their log sheets! I have never had to learn the re-cap on the front and I have never had anyone actually explain it to me! I do know the drivers who do use it, tend to go over their 70 hour because of confussion! I know how to do a recap!

So you know how to do it, yet you don't? :?:

Quote: Why do you have to turn everything around in the words I say?

You are doing a good enough job of that yourself. I am just pointing it out.

Quote: I know what I am doing and you or no one else can tell me I DON'T!

Including the FMCSA, whose "dumb" rules frequently contradict what you say.

Quote: It is all in the way you and the other one's (not the one's who have personally e-mailed me to thank me) like to turn crap around!

I doubt anyone has "emailed" you.

Quote: I guess you all are young or you are the truck drivers that "know it all" guess what you are the dangerous one's on the road!

And what exactly are you basing this claim on?

Quote: Because I have been a log auditor for 18 years and I can learn new things every day! I am open to learning and that is why I came here to learn from drivers and drivers to learn from me!

And neither has really happened.

Quote: I have touched several people here and you Rev or anyone else can't run me off! I have touched thousands of drivers on the road and I am like by thousands!

I hope you made sure they were all of legal age before you "touched" them.

Quote: When someone ask a question about the 11 hour rule they don't want all the freaken exceptions, they want to understand how the 11 hour rule works, the exceptions can come later!

No - because the EXCEPTIONS are important. They cannot come later.

Quote: So Rev: Being the way you are is only showing me how un intelligent you really are

No, I am blunt, to the point, and I don't take BS, which is something you have a knack for dishing out.

Quote: So go Rev up at church and learn some manners :twisted:

Nope - ain't gonna happen. I have no need to sugar coat anything.

Quote: What you need the devil church :twisted:

That makes no sense whatsoever.

GMAN · Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Posts: 9778 Location: Tennessee

This post gives me a headache. :roll:

Rev.Vassago · Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:44 pm Post subject:

GMAN wrote: This post gives me a headache. :roll:

Whose post? Mine? If so, then my job is done. :wink:

ken_o · Joined: 06 Nov 2005 Posts: 667

i wouldnt do a recap on a log sheet unless i was close to 70 and felt curious. only so much ink in that pen. their is no differnce in a recap filled out on a log sheet and one on the front jacket they effect to the same total if used correctly.
dawn would you care to take a group of us drivers and re audit your drivers logs for every mistake we find you missed, will you pay us $100.00
need work will audit logs for food/ beer.

yoopr · Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 12865

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