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rank
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:56 am Post subject: 10 off duty question |
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Quote: CMV drivers using the sleeper berth provision must take at least 8 consecutive hours in the sleeper berth, plus 2 consecutive hours either in the sleeper berth, off duty, or any combination of the two.
Assuming I am out of driving hours, this means I cannot: eat supper for 1, sleep 8, eat breakfast for 1?
i.e the 10 hours must be 2-8 or 8-2, not 1-8-1? |
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Rev.Vassago
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:11 am Post subject: Re: 10 off duty question |
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rank wrote: Quote: CMV drivers using the sleeper berth provision must take at least 8 consecutive hours in the sleeper berth, plus 2 consecutive hours either in the sleeper berth, off duty, or any combination of the two.
Assuming I am out of driving hours, this means I cannot: eat supper for 1, sleep 8, eat breakfast for 1?
i.e the 10 hours must be 2-8 or 8-2, not 1-8-1?
That depends - are you taking all 10 hours at once? If so, then you can switch between off duty and sleeper berth as much as you want, as long as you do not go on duty at any time during the 10 hours.
What you are quoting above is in relation to the "split sleeper berth provision". The only time the 8-2 or 2-8 applies is if you are splitting your sleeper berth time into 2 periods, with on duty or driving time between them. |
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mike3fan
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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just do all your eating in the sleeper then you can just log 10 hrs straight in the sleeper like us super truckers.
Just kidding any combination of 10hrs on lines 1 and 2 will do,sleeper berth is a place not an activity. |
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rank
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:38 am Post subject: |
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Quote: The only time the 8-2 or 2-8 applies is if you are splitting your sleeper berth time into 2 periods, with on duty or driving time between them.
Interesting. I didn't realize the 10 hours needn't be consecutive. So I can drive 11, sleep 8, drive again then sleep 2? |
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SteveBooth
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:42 am Post subject: |
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| Can someone tell me in a nutshell how the old way worked? |
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Rev.Vassago
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:31 am Post subject: |
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SteveBooth wrote: Can someone tell me in a nutshell how the old way worked?
The old way, the only difference was you could split your sleeper berth into any combination of 2 periods, as long as they were both more than 2 hours. For example, a team could drive 5, sleep 5, drive 5 etc.
The old-old way, you could do essentially the same thing, except you only had to accumulate 8 hours total.
And there was no 14 hour clock, so off duty time was off duty time. |
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SteveBooth
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| That sounds a lot better to me than it is now. I think it would encourage people to take naps or whatever instead of pushing themselves when they are tired. It also seems a lot more simple to understand. |
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mike3fan
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:12 am Post subject: |
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SteveBooth wrote: That sounds a lot better to me than it is now. I think it would encourage people to take naps or whatever instead of pushing themselves when they are tired. It also seems a lot more simple to understand.
That is why we don't like it,it penalizes you for taking a nap |
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Rev.Vassago
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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SteveBooth wrote: That sounds a lot better to me than it is now. I think it would encourage people to take naps or whatever instead of pushing themselves when they are tired. It also seems a lot more simple to understand.
It was, but the special interest groups like PATT and ATA didn't like it.
You know the old adage - If it ain't broke, don't fix it - well, they don't understand that. |
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mike3fan
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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I think alot of drivers were in favor of change too,I remember everyone saying how outdated the rules were and it needed to be changed,but just remember what some have said before becareful what you wish for you may just get it.
I think the 34 hr reset is good,the 11 hr driving good and also I can live with 10hr off duty,but come on do not pigeon hole me into making it all work in a 14 hour period. |
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Rev.Vassago
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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mike3fan wrote: I think alot of drivers were in favor of change too,I remember everyone saying how outdated the rules were and it needed to be changed,but just remember what some have said before becareful what you wish for you may just get it.
I think the 34 hr reset is good,the 11 hr driving good and also I can live with 10hr off duty,but come on do not pigeon hole me into making it all work in a 14 hour period.
If it meant getting rid of the 14 hour rule, I would gladly lose the 11 th hour driving. I think the 10 hour rule is actually a good thing, but shouldn't have to be split into an 8-2 combination if you are splitting.
I wouldn't give up the 34 hour reset if my life depended on it. |
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Truckfam
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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Remember if you are only driving for the entire day doing no other on duty not driving in that 14 hour time period. You could possibly use the extra three hours in that 14 hours to take smaller one hour breaks without wasting your 11 driving time.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that is how I understand it. |
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Rev.Vassago
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Truckfam wrote: Remember if you are only driving for the entire day doing no other on duty not driving in that 14 hour time period. You could possibly use the extra three hours in that 14 hours to take smaller one hour breaks without wasting your 11 driving time.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that is how I understand it.
Yes, but a one hour break is hardly enough to get rest if you need it. |
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Scoe
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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Truckfam wrote: Remember if you are only driving for the entire day doing no other on duty not driving in that 14 hour time period. You could possibly use the extra three hours in that 14 hours to take smaller one hour breaks without wasting your 11 driving time.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that is how I understand it.
Yes, you could drive for 11 hours total and have also taken another 3 hours off either incrementally or in a lump sum. That would give you 14 hours and then you could not drive until you have taken 10 consecutive hours off duty or in the sleeper berth. |
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Truckfam
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| Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Very true, but I was thinking more along the lines of being able to streach you legs, eating, and going to the bathroom.
If you really needed the break, but still wanted to keep your 10, you could combine all three hours in one break to take a decent nap. Or the three hours could be combined with the two in the first part of the sleeper to take a serious nap.
I'm more concerned about truckers who feel that they have to go 11 hours straight whether or not they have to go to the bathroom or need to eat. Not eating and not getting enough nutrients in your system can lead poor decision making since hunger can affect the brain after awhile. If I don't eat, I get a headache and disy with a sick feeling in my stomach. Not going to the bathroom can lead to major blatter problems.
The people who made up this stupid rule didn't stop to think. I think it would have been easier to say you can only drive 11 hours and take an 8 hour sleeper in a 24 hour time period. That way everyone would be able to set their own hours as to when they drove, took breaks, and needed sleep. |
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