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mike3fan
Joined: 04 Aug 2006
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Location: michigan
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 9:57 pm Post subject: New log entries for those entering Canada |
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For those who travel to and thru Canada,new HOS rules bring changes in what we need to list on a log sheet
http://www.etrucker.com/apps/news/article.asp?id=55965 |
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ken_o
Joined: 06 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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thats nothing really new. i never realized we had to have 14 days backlog
how about the other direction (mexico)do they require a logbook at all? |
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mike3fan
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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nothing new?
run there alot, never had to list cycle I'm running,starting and ending odometer readings,total miles driven etc. |
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ken_o
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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i always have listed that, also listing plate num for truck and trlr on it .
have no plans to go their anymore so its all yours. |
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allan5oh
Joined: 26 Aug 2005
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Location: jackassville (winnipeg, mb)
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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FYI this starts on jan 1st, with a bunch of other changes.
Some of those items are needed as we speak though. |
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mike3fan
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| Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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which of those items are needed now?
I have been running across Canada for 7 yrs now and been thru more than my share of cvsa checks and never been asked for any of those. |
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Soladad
Joined: 18 Dec 2005
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Location: Garland, Texas
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| Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:43 am Post subject: |
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I've been running across Canada on occasion over the last few months. Never have been asked for my log book eventhough they have thrown the xray machine at the trailer.
Soladad |
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allan5oh
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| Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Beginning and ending mileage for the day, home terminal. |
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Dawn
Joined: 31 Oct 2006
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Location: Indianapolis, In
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| Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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Beginning January 1, 2007 there will be new requirments in Candada. I will update you with final information on around 12-7-06. I have a copy of the changes ( I will send them tomorrow) Iwill be going to a seminar and asking the questions if "I am a USA driver" what should I do!
Until then stick with what you have! Good night all! be safe! :D |
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Uturn2001
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Location: East Central IL between the corn and the beans
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| Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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IMHO Canada and the US need to get on the same general page where HOS and log requirements are concerned.
This keeps up and it is going to be hard to find drivers willing to cross the border. Enough BS the way it is, especially trying to get back to your home country. |
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allan5oh
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:30 am Post subject: |
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Uturn2001 wrote: IMHO Canada and the US need to get on the same general page where HOS and log requirements are concerned.
This keeps up and it is going to be hard to find drivers willing to cross the border. Enough BS the way it is, especially trying to get back to your home country.
Fine by me, keeps the cross border rates up. |
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mike3fan
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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allan5oh wrote: Beginning and ending mileage for the day, home terminal.
I am not saying you are not correct,but never been asked for beginning and ending milage in Canada. |
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Dawn
Joined: 31 Oct 2006
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Location: Indianapolis, In
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Mike:
Do you drive in Canada allot?
Do you put your beginning & ending odometer on your logs every day?
I am curious because we are adding it to the USA logs just in case the driver goes to Canada. MTO regulations says you must have the beginning and ending odometer(at least that is what I am told, and the way I read it)
I am curious to how picky the MTO officers really are. If you can give me some insight on the Canadian inspections.
I can't believe Canada could not say 34 hour restart instead of 36 to make it simple on "ALL DRIVERS" "LOG AUDITORS", now USA drivers must take a 36 hour break if they "might" go to Canada so they are under their regulations. It's just so confusing on "everyone"!
Have a great night and I hope all is OK! :lol: |
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Porchclimber
Joined: 28 Oct 2006
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Location: British Columbia
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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You are supposed to put you start and end mileage on your log in Canada.
If your load is going into Canada you should try to remember it.
They can't go back on any days that your miles were in the US.
It just needs to be there for the day(s) you are in Canada.
Here's a link to what should be on a Canadian log:
http://www.tdrc.ca/logbooks.html
I wouldn't be too quick to knock the Canadian logbook rules if I were you guys.
They're a lot better than the new US rules.
You can split your bunk time and you can switch from any schedule to the 120/14 hr rule.
I know the 120/14 would never fly in the US but I know everybody would be quite happy with Canadian HOS if you understand them.
All you really need to do is do your log as if you were in the US.
Most Canadian carriers whose major lanes are US miles never switch from logging by the US regs even while in Canada.
The new rules cut driving time to 12 hrs. day but I don't have a problem with that because I'm a firm advocate of less work and more pay.
The only heads up you need as an American driver is if you run the extra hours in Canada you need to make sure you have your ten off before you cross the border to go back to the US.
The only real difference is the start and finish mileage.
If your logbook has no place for it just write it somewhere.
I know lots of American guys that run lots of miles in Canada and they don't skip a beat.
Inspections are all the same.
CVSA is a standard applied across North America.
If your truck will pass inspection in the US it will pass inspection in Canada.
The only exception to this is the BC horsepower/weight law and the truck needs to have an engine brake.
It's no big deal but the 36 vs the 34 hr reset is one to watch though because as someone noted you will need to have 36 to make it count.
I was talking about that just the other day to a friend.
It doesn't make sense why they would make them different but the only reason I can think of is the rules are made up in the EAst end of the country so the march to a different drummer than the rest of the world.
That is a good point though, you should make sure you get a 36 reset but technically in Canada you wouldn't be out of hours anyhow because if you had 34 hours off you could be running the 120/14 in Canada which is perfectly legal for any US carrier.
When in Rome etc.
To qualify for the 120/14 in Canada you must have 24 hours off between your 0 and 75th hour.
The 24 hrs can be anytime eg: 2pm to 2pm.
This would allow you to still use your 34hrs for your US portion but you would be allowed up to 120 hours while in Canada and when you return to the US your reset would be valid.
Personally if it were me I would just take 36 rather than 34.
If you can sit for 34 hours, I'm sure 2 more won't hurt.
Don't feel bad.
This is what I have to go through all the time just to get back home.
Most of my round trips are over 8000 miles which puts a big strain on my calculator keeping my ducks in a row. |
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yoopr
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| Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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They're a lot better than the new US rules
They always are |
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