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Rev.Vassago



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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:29 pm    Post subject:  

I knew your agenda would come out in the end. :roll:
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Rev.Vassago



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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:48 pm    Post subject:  

ben45750 wrote: The truck may be covered, what happens if you lose contracts? What happens if the price of fuel sky rockets? What happens if you get a couple speeding tickets? what happens if you roll the truck? what happens if you cannot afford to pay your insurance? what happens if someone undercuts your prices? Is the truck covered now?

What happens if the sky falls? What happens if there is a nuclear explosion?

The truck is covered, because it is a LEASE. If the business goes belly up due to other reasons, then logic will dictate that the components of the business will be dissolved.

Just like if (when) XM goes belly up - your precious O&A will no longer be employed, as their contract will be dissolved.

This is called INVESTING, which is what Sirius did when they signed Howard, which is what XM did when they signed Oprah (for what I consider to be a FAR worse contract than Howard's)

Quote: Is that the way you do business Rev?

This is how 99.9% of all businesses operate - they invest other people's money in the hope that the return outweighs the investment. What seperates the wheat from the chaff, however, is the quality of the investment. Sirius has shown time and time again that they invest in quality, which in return, brings greater subscriptions, and more advertisers. XM has invested very poorly, IMO, by losing big name contracts, and watering down their product by allowing it on "free" radio.
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ben45750



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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:20 pm    Post subject:  

I could throw fact after fact at you and it's still something you can't comprehend. XM bad investments???? O&A (biggest names on radio), Oprah, Dillon, and several others. Sirius Invests in Howard (radio has been) and Nascar. The future of Sirius is Nascar, that's all they have to ride on. Howard is bombing, his IN-DEMAND is bombing. Howard will never be brought back after his 5 years are up, He works 4 days a week and take what 3 months off a year. Is that worth 500 million?BTW, the reason for free fm is to get subs. which is a good investment for XM and more cash for XM.

You really need to turn off the Sirius radio and quit getting your facts from Howard and his howie math, The guy is losing it. He's bigger than cell phones? He invented unplugged? he invented comics on radio? Yes, those are all things he claims he has done? Then you have Gary (his long time producer) his dad dies and Howard doesnt show up because Beth hurt her ankle? What a great guy! Then he wants to go back to terestrial like O&A did, but Sirius won't let him becasue O&A have all the major morning drive markets. Oprah a bad investment for 50 million? Dude quit eating the chesse and drinking the koolaid. Oprah is the richest most powerful woman in the US, how many subs do they account for her deal? only 2 million new subs? bad investment for 50 million?

Look at the stock prices, look at the total subs, yes Sirius had an increase in subs since Howard, BUT WHY ARE THEY STILL LOSING SO MUCH MONEY????? The growth will slow and Sirius will still be left with all the debt?

Yes I still have Sirius, I cancelled it almost 1.5 years ago but they never turned off my radio (bet i'm still counted as a sub) Stern still does subpar radio and allways will, I sometimes listen to his show and it sucks. He was good back in the 90's, but times are changing and he can't adapt.
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Rev.Vassago



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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 3:34 pm    Post subject:  

ben45750 wrote: I could throw fact after fact at you and it's still something you can't comprehend. XM bad investments???? O&A (biggest names on radio),

If you believe that, you are delusional.

Quote: Oprah, Dillon, and several others.

More bad investments.

Quote: Sirius Invests in Howard (radio has been) and Nascar. The future of Sirius is Nascar, that's all they have to ride on.

Perhaps you have heard of a tiny little thing called the NFL.

Quote: Howard is bombing, his IN-DEMAND is bombing. Howard will never be brought back after his 5 years are up, He works 4 days a week and take what 3 months off a year. Is that worth 500 million?

Yes.

Quote: BTW, the reason for free fm is to get subs. which is a good investment for XM and more cash for XM.

You honestly believe that people will pay for something they are getting for free? The recent XM numbers don't support your assumption.

Quote: You really need to turn off the Sirius radio and quit getting your facts from Howard and his howie math, The guy is losing it. He's bigger than cell phones? He invented unplugged? he invented comics on radio? Yes, those are all things he claims he has done?

No, they are not.

Quote: Then you have Gary (his long time producer) his dad dies and Howard doesnt show up because Beth hurt her ankle? What a great guy!

You should get your information from another source, other than O&A.

Quote: Then he wants to go back to terestrial like O&A did, but Sirius won't let him becasue O&A have all the major morning drive markets.

That is a good one, and is almost as ridiculous as the claim that Howard wants to go back to terrestrial radio.

Quote: Oprah a bad investment for 50 million? Dude quit eating the chesse and drinking the koolaid. Oprah is the richest most powerful woman in the US, how many subs do they account for her deal?

Very few, if any. She only does 1/2 hour per week. That is a bad investment. Even the analysts have said that.

Quote: only 2 million new subs? bad investment for 50 million?

Support that 2 million claim with some facts.

Quote: Look at the stock prices, look at the total subs, yes Sirius had an increase in subs since Howard, BUT WHY ARE THEY STILL LOSING SO MUCH MONEY?????

For the same reason that XM is losing money. It is an infant technology, and the initial investment costs money. In the end, what will make or break either company, is the ability to KEEP subscribers. XM cannot do that on O&A alone, just as Sirius cannot do that on Howard alone. The total package is what will keep subscribers, and that is what you fail to understand.
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ben45750



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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:51 pm    Post subject:  

Rev why cant you back up you crap posts with facts, write back when you come up with some, you are arguing things you know nothing about. I'll check back from time to time to see if you come up with any, but if not your not worth the time to argue with.

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Rev.Vassago



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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:32 pm    Post subject:  

ben45750 wrote: Blah Blah Blah.

Your agenda is pathetic. Learn how a REAL business works.


And BTW, lousy Photoshop. :wink:
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ken_o



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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:26 pm    Post subject:  

dont waste your time rev hes an obvious dopie and aanthony fan and will oviousely continue to dump on stern and sirius all hes really doing is missing out on the best entertainment available.
this is the same as the douchebag in the post writing a bs article about stern which has no truth. in reallity the reporter resigns and goes to work for free fm.
xm, clear channel spewing this garbage out in a lame attempt to turn the tide during the holiday season. didnt work then its still not working now.
and ben indemand isnt bombing its taking off like a rocket.
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Rev.Vassago



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Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:10 pm    Post subject:  

Quote: XM Satellite Radio has posted much greater than expected losses as its cost per new listener rose 40% over last year in an effort to counter Sirius's Howard Stern blitz with more marketing. The current cost of $140 per gross new subscriber is almost exactly one year's revenue on a subscription that can be cancelled at any time.

XM says that its CPGA (cost per gross addition) will drop again after the Stern wave has passed. But XM's marketing cost rose much faster than its subscriber numbers in this period, indicating that there is a natural limit on how quickly satellite radio can grow while keeping costs in line.

http://weblogs.jupiterresearch.com/analysts/parr/archives/2006/02/xm_is_testing_t.html
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ken_o



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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:14 pm    Post subject:  

hey ben check this out your boys not doing so good
1.1 to 1.4 to 1.3 wfny you can c it its around the 23rd spot from the top
http://www.arbitron.com/radio_stations/home.htm
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ben45750



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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:04 pm    Post subject:  

ken_o wrote: hey ben check this out your boys not doing so good
1.1 to 1.4 to 1.3 wfny you can c it its around the 23rd spot from the top
http://www.arbitron.com/radio_stations/home.htm

Here we go again, but i'm happy you guys are throw facts now, but they are the wrong facts.

Hey Ken check it out, the boys aren't doing that bad!
http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/opie-anthony-ratings-rise-for-cbs-radio.html
In WFNY (formally WXRK Krock) in New York City, the Opie & Anthony Show doubled the David Lee Roth's ratings - which admittedly wasn't too hard to do - with Persons 12+ (1.1 - 2.3), Persons 18-34 (1.4 - 4.2), Persons 25-54 (1.6 - 3.4) and Men 18-34 (1.9 - 4.0).

12+ 2.3
18-34 4.2
25-54 3.4
men 18-34 4.0

Those are not O&A's Arbitron numbers ken, those are the stations numbers as a whole.
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ken_o



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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:20 pm    Post subject:  

thats a bs site radio records are slanted against stern bottom line now 1.3 overall
your rhetoric is only from their first month alot of those stern fans finally got around to paying up for the premuim service. only one that matters now is the overall is 1.3 get with the program get sirius satillite radio.
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Rev.Vassago



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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:24 pm    Post subject:  

ben45750 wrote: ken_o wrote: hey ben check this out your boys not doing so good
1.1 to 1.4 to 1.3 wfny you can c it its around the 23rd spot from the top
http://www.arbitron.com/radio_stations/home.htm

Here we go again, but i'm happy you guys are throw facts now, but they are the wrong facts.

Hey Ken check it out, the boys aren't doing that bad!
http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/opie-anthony-ratings-rise-for-cbs-radio.html
In WFNY (formally WXRK Krock) in New York City, the Opie & Anthony Show doubled the David Lee Roth's ratings - which admittedly wasn't too hard to do - with Persons 12+ (1.1 - 2.3), Persons 18-34 (1.4 - 4.2), Persons 25-54 (1.6 - 3.4) and Men 18-34 (1.9 - 4.0).

12+ 2.3
18-34 4.2
25-54 3.4
men 18-34 4.0

Those are not O&A's Arbitron numbers ken, those are the stations numbers as a whole.

The last line of the article you linked is the clincher:

Quote: Keep in mind that these Arbitrend ratings are only for the first month of on terrestrial radio.

If you wanna fight back, better come up with something that is more current.

I'll take the CURRENT arbitron numbers over yours. :wink:
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ken_o



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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:27 pm    Post subject:  

you know whats realy bad the spanish station is doing better then all of them.
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ben45750



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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:30 pm    Post subject:  

[quote="Rev.Vassago"] Quote: XM Satellite Radio has posted much greater than expected losses as ts cost per new listener rose 40% over last year in an effort to counter Sirius's Howard Stern blitz with more marketing. The current cost of $140 per gross new subscriber is almost exactly one year's revenue on a subscription that can be cancelled at any time.

XM says that its CPGA (cost per gross addition) will drop again after the Stern wave has passed. But XM's marketing cost rose much faster than its subscriber numbers in this period, indicating that there is a natural limit on how quickly satellite radio can grow while keeping costs in line.



http://xmradio.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=press_releases&item=1382

For the third quarter of 2006, XM's subscriber acquisition cost (SAC), a component of cost per gross addition (CPGA) was $60

Rev please get your facts from a credible site, not a webblog. This is directly from XM's site under the news room section. So XM is going to lie on earnings reports? I doubt that after the whole ENRON thing.

AGAIN Rev, you highlighted it in red, I responded with the correct facts, quit jumping around when I prove you as a liar posting from uncredible sites.
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ben45750



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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 4:32 pm    Post subject:  

ken_o wrote: you know whats realy bad the spanish station is doing better then all of them.

Yes it does have better ratings than O&A, they are the #1 show in NYC. Pretty obvious when mexicans can not speak english, what else are they going to listen too?
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