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RadioRay · Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 165 Location: North Carolina

EXACTLY!! That is why there is NO excuse for filching frequencies that are assigned to other users. Why NOT just install a police radio and start yapping on there? "WE GOT A RIGHT TO RUN THEM CHANNELS"!! :D See how long that would last! :shock:

And, BTW, the post about the FCC vehicles. You WILL NEVER know if there's one beside you! It could be a soccor mom Chevy Tahoe. NO antennas visible!!! The equipment is built into the DASH and looks like it is FACTORY! It's done by FCC's own shops. Once a pattern is established by Laurel, MD, an agent can be dispatched to pin down the EXACT truck.
Imagine OnStar to the 10th power! :shock: It will display the exact vehicle that is transmitting, show the road he is traveling on (or sitting near), display the intersecting roads and exits. show landmarks such as houses, churches, or towers, give the distance TO/FROM the truck AND the quickest route to intercept! :shock: :D!! Computers!! UN_freakin'-believable!!! So how do *I* know this? I had the privilege of riding along WITH an agent not so long ago!! (Not CB or ham related). So if you think you CAN'T be found? Keep thinking that!!!!!! Even YOU can see some of the same stuff. Take a look at Google Earth!!!! :D If you have never seen that, you are in for a breath-sucking shock! Now imagine if civilians can zero in on an aerial shot of Pyongyang, North Korea and see people in the street, think what a government agency can do that we don't even know about (yet)!

I think it is just a matter of time before there's something about to happen with regard to the use of illegal "10 Meter" radios! It has gone far enough! :evil:

Safe Driving!

RR

ssoutlaw · Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Posts: 793 Location: Indianapolis,In

I have been running Galaxy radios for years, and when 10 meter was cheap enough, I got 1. I think you should all give it a rest and mind your own business. Nobody likes a reformer!!!
These guys sound like the truck forum POLICE and need somewhere to practice their PRE _ LAW. How about this, you don't break any laws what so ever, and this means you obey every law on the face of the planet and we will leave 28mh alone. If you cant obey every law then you are a hypocrite.Give it a rest kids!!!!!

Markk9 · Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 38 Location: PA

Little O Ray, I understand how the vans work. I know what equipment is on them more than you do. They have a bunch of random cars and trucks for use. But the one thing all that fancy equipment can not do is tell them which trucks is transmitting, trucks do not squawk a mode 3. It uses and computer map layover that gives them the bearing to target and an estimated distance, with out knowing the power of the radio transmitting they can not get a good distance reading. It works on the same principle as tracking a sub. It still works best with more than one van is used on a moving truck. They still need to pull over said big truck and search it and find an illegal radio to do any thing to the driver. I have never said it can't be done, just that the FCC is not going to wast time and money chasing a truck down. Like I said in a past post, if they wanted to crack down, just pick a few of the bigger truck stops and search every truck for all the illegal radios.

Note to Little O Ray, if you know the right people you can get waver for any radio. My Galaxy 95T, 10 and 11 meter, 180 watt radio is legal by the FCC, I have the little sticker on the back and yes it was issued by the FCC in D.C.

Mark

RadioRay · Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 165 Location: North Carolina

Markk9 wrote: Little O Ray, I understand how the vans work. I know what equipment is on them more than you do. They have a bunch of random cars and trucks for use. But the one thing all that fancy equipment can not do is tell them which trucks is transmitting, trucks do not squawk a mode 3. It uses and computer map layover that gives them the bearing to target and an estimated distance, with out knowing the power of the radio transmitting they can not get a good distance reading. It works on the same principle as tracking a sub. It still works best with more than one van is used on a moving truck. They still need to pull over said big truck and search it and find an illegal radio to do any thing to the driver. I have never said it can't be done, just that the FCC is not going to wast time and money chasing a truck down. Like I said in a past post, if they wanted to crack down, just pick a few of the bigger truck stops and search every truck for all the illegal radios.

Note to Little O Ray, if you know the right people you can get waver for any radio. My Galaxy 95T, 10 and 11 meter, 180 watt radio is legal by the FCC, I have the little sticker on the back and yes it was issued by the FCC in D.C.

Mark

There's the "Ah'm spay'shul and know people so ah kin tawk on that reddio" again! A Galaxy 95 has NEVER been certified for use for CB, has NEVER had a certification sticker, and appears on FCC's Office of Technology's list of radios that are NOT approved. Yes, a licensed Amateur can operate on of those "10 Meter" radios on their own frequencies ONLY, but not on CB. You gave yourself away without even knowing it~ :wink: ! It states specifically that "such 'dual-use' radios will not be certificated!

Here is the partial list directly from FCC's website. Your 95T is ON that list.
NO dual-use radio is permitted in ANY service that is governed by FCC rules. For example, a REAL Amateur transceiver can NOT be used as BOTH a ham transceiver and a police or fire radio (except for receiving).
And, as shown below, you may NOT use an Amateur transceiver on CB. Period. Doesn't matter HOW many stickers you claim, "10 Meter" 'export' radios are not, never were, and never will be approved.

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ILLEGAL CB TRANSCEIVER LIST
The FCC’s Office of Engineer and Technology (OET) has evaluated the devices listed below and has concluded that these devices are not only amateur transceivers but can easily be altered for use as Citizens Band (CB) transceivers as well. As such, OET has further concluded that these devices cannot legally be imported or marketed within the United States for the reasons discussed below. Further, the FCC General Council has issued a decision in a specific case involving one manufacturer and has concluded that dual use CB and amateur radios of the kind at issue may not be approved under the Commission’s rules and are in violation of several rules including the RF power level limits of 47 CFR 95.639. (letter from Christopher J. Wright, FCC-OGC to John F. Atwood, US Customs Service, dated May 17, 1999).

Transceivers used in the Amateur Radio Service below 30 MHz do not require FCC authorization prior to being imported into or marketed within the United States, but transceivers for other services, including the CB Radio Service (CB), do require Commission approval. The transceivers listed herein and other similar models operate in the amateur "10-meter band" and are often referred to as "10-meter" radios or "export" radios. The amateur 10-meter band uses frequencies that are very close to the channels set aside for use in the CB service. Some of the transceivers that manufacturers call "10-meter" radios either operate on CB frequencies as manufactured and imported or are designed such that internal circuits can readily be activated by a user, a service technician or a dealer to operate on CB frequencies. According to Section 95.603© of the Commission’s rules, a CB transmitter is a transmitter that operates or is intended to operate at a station authorized for the CB service. 47C.F.R. § 95.603©. The Commission’s equipment authorization experts in the FCC Laboratory have determined that the transceivers listed herein and other similar models at issue here are intended for use on the CB frequencies as well as those in the amateur service because they have built-in capability to operate on CB frequencies. This capability can be readily activated by moving or removing a jumper plug, cutting or splicing a wire, plugging in a connector, or other simple means. Thus, all the transceivers listed herein and similar models fall within the definition of a CB transmitter. See 47C.F.R. § 95.603©. A CB transmitter must be certificated by the FCC prior to marketing or importation. 47 C.F.R. §§ 95.603©; 2.803.

Moreover, the dual use CB and amateur radios of the kind at issue here may not be certified under the Commission’s rules. Section 95.655(a) states: "….([CB] Transmitters with frequency capability for the Amateur Radio Services … will not be certificated.)" See also Amendment of Part 95, Subpart E, Technical Regulations in the Personal Radio Services Rules, FCC 88-256, 1888 WL 488084 (August 17, 1988). This clarification was added to explicitly foreclose the possibility of certification of dual use CB and amateur radios, see id, and thereby deter use by CB operators of frequencies allocated for amateur radio use.

In addition, the Commission’s equipment authorization experts have determined that these devices violate or appear to violate a number of the rules governing CB devices. For example, they may use emission types not permitted, or emit RF power at a level in excess of the levels permitted in the CB radio service. See 47 C.F.R. § 95.639.

In view of the foregoing, the following "10-meter" transceivers are not acceptable for importation or marketing into/within the United States. Importation and marketing of these units is illegal pursuant to Section 302(b) of the Communications Act and Section 2.803 of the rules. Willful violations of the Rules and the Act may subject the violator to a monetary forfeiture of not more than $11,000 for each violation or each day of a continuing violation. The Commission continues to review this type of equipment, and additional makes and models may be added to this list in the future.

LIST OF TRANSCEIVERS

ILLEGAL TO IMPORT OR MARKET

NOTE FROM QTH.COM: This list was modified to include additional radios. Radios that were added are displayed with a hotlink to the documentation and/or reason for the addition
CONNEX - models: 3300, 3300 HP, 3300HP-ZX, 3300 PLUS, CX-3800, 4400, 4400 HP and 4800 DXL

GALAXY - models: DX33HML, DX44V, DX45MP, DX48T, DX55V, DX66V, DX73V, DX77HML, DX88HL, DX93T, DX95T, DX99V, DX2517, DX2527, Melaka, Saturn and Saturn Turbo.

As to searching every truck, just give it time. There's folks trying to persuade just EXACTLY that!!! :D

I have said a hundred times. Drivers have the privilege (operating a radio is NOT a "right" under US law) of using a 40 channel, 4 watt FCC-approved CB radio all day long. In fact, *I*, nor most all licensed Amateurs, don't CARE if you operate a Harris military transceiver on CB.
So long as they don't encroach on 10 Meters, we don't CARE. When we find unlicensed people there, then it DOES become OUR business and we traditionally will do what we must to get them OFF. As one poster said, there are FORTY CB channels, most of which aren't USED MOST of the time. Everybody gathers up on 27.185 (channel 19) and bitches how crowded it is. Then they use that as a lame excuse to go looking for them thar 'extree channels' that don't belong to them. :evil: And THAT is the problem. Stay OFF the Amateur frequencies, stay on the CB band, OR obtain the license!! Simple concept.

RR[/i]

Markk9 · Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 38 Location: PA

Ray you do not seem to understand that some dogs are bigger dogs. I didn't say all 95T's can be used, only this one. I have a nice get out of jail letter from the FCC for it.

Until such time as the FCC wants to stop the radio's they will be used. These are radios are just like speeding cars and trucks, they can stop it anything they want. Right now they don't want to.

Mark

kc0iv · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 1113 Location: Kansas City, MO

You said: "But the one thing all that fancy equipment can not do is tell them which trucks is transmitting,..."

Sorry Mark but you are mistaken. Modern detection does not require you to know either power nor bearings per se to determine which is unit is transmitting. All transmitting equipment have several characteristics which can be used for detection.

You gave the example "It works on the same principle as tracking a sub." While active Sonar can use active signals (that "ping" you hear on TV) for detection it is not used that often for detection on submarines. All submarines today uses passive detection such as magnetic anomaly detector (MAD). There are many other modes used by modern submarines such as listening devices. Needless to say a active signal gives the submarine position which defeats the use of the submarine as a war device.

You said: "They still need to pull over said big truck and search it and find an illegal radio to do any thing to the driver." While I am sure on a single case this would be the normal actions. However, the FCC may be looking for a larger fish to fry and ignore this one driver and simply log the information.

As to your claim "My Galaxy 95T, 10 and 11 meter, 180 watt radio is legal by the FCC" of having a radio that has a waver. I'd be interest in seeing such a waver. How about scanning the waver (Black-out the personal information) and post it for all to see. Or e-mail if you wish. In all my dealings with the FCC I have never heard of such a waver. Not only would a sticker be on the radio you would also receive a type acceptance letter listing the radio as being waved, the reason for such waver and the duration of the waver. If you can't locate the type acceptance letter please list the type acceptance number and I'll research it.

As I have said before the FCC makes a token action toward these illegal radios but I don't see them ever putting a stop to their use. As you and I have said they don't have the manpower.

Drive safe.

kc0iv

RadioRay · Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 165 Location: North Carolina

I'd love to see that "waiver", too, so I can show it to a certain friend of mine (if you know what I mean) I am sure HE would be interested in seeing it as well! :D I am relying on FCC's official website, past enforcement actions, and statements of FCC officials themselves, both in person and on the phone, and the published list of radio equipment than has been deemed illegal by the FCC's Office of Technology. All I am hearing in return is speculation, argument and resistance to any objection of the use of unauthorized frequencies that are legally assigned to others.

In reality, there is NO excuse for the pilfering of radio spectrum by CB operators because, on any given day, one can flip thru 11 Meters and hear almost NOTHING except for channel 19, and of course, that thing known as "The Bowl" (Channel 6). Yet, I hear truckers at all hours of the day and night yapping on the 10 Meter band :? . Usually it is on 28.085 using the AM mode. They have even broken into ongoing Amateur QSOs asking "Whut's yer handle" :evil: up in the phone portion between 28.300 and 29.000! :x I don't HAVE a stinkin' 'handle'; I have a NAME and a legitimate callsign and AUTHORIZATION to BE there. Drivers have every
permission under the current law to USE a CB radio according to Part 95, Title 47 of the US Code. But don't think they have some special-ness to yap somewhere else. YES, dammit, it makes ME (and other licensed folks) MAD! :evil: Take yer *&%$#@ so-called "10 Meter (yeah, right 'Amateur (ain't THAT a joke) radio back down to the CB band! :D

RR

RadioRay · Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 165 Location: North Carolina

BTW,, that thing they use to tell which station, car, vehicle, or boat is transmitting is called a SPECTRUM ANALYZER!!! :D It CAN, indeed, pick out ONE signal out of a whole host of signals--even if it is jumbled up in amongst the others The FCC 'vans' are long gone!!! So are the antennas! The vehicle could be a Ford Taurus, a Chevy Blazer, Tahoe, or a Ford Exploder (I mean, Explorer :wink: ) Again, take ONStar and multiply it by a factor of 6 to 10. It will blow your mind what the agents can do!!! I SAW it with my own eyes!!! :D Sic 'em!!!!!! :D

RR

ken_o · Joined: 06 Nov 2005 Posts: 667

ray since your on a trucking site know your role. don't insult the primary clients of CAD .truck drivers. even though i understand the way they all talk on the radio and its really quite annoying .theirs no call to imply it in a condescending assine way. We southerners find your remarks disgraceful.

RadioRay · Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 165 Location: North Carolina

Southerner??? Look at my location on the left? I was BORN in Arkansas, fer heavens' sake! :D :D

ken_o · Joined: 06 Nov 2005 Posts: 667

the remarks were directed at truckdrivers markk9 imparticular
i dont care where you were born. allthough its appearent you seem to have some agenda with drivers instead of aggrevatiating the situation why dont you develop a highquality cb radio.
i would like the 4 watts to get as far as another truck using 30/100.
no ugly needle displays only digital read outs.
i want it to look like and be compact like the magnum 257.
get workin on it.
build it they will come.

kc0iv · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 1113 Location: Kansas City, MO

RadioRay said: Quote: What I'm talking about is not a SPECTRUM ANALYZER. While a spectrum analyzer can due a lot of the work there is equipment better suited for this type of operation. I don't want to go into the details due to some of my precious employment contracts. But I can assure you there are better ways.

You said: Quote: "Again, take ONStar and multiply it by a factor of 6 to 10." Since President Clinton signed a executive order (May 1, 2000) all present GPS systems use the same signals. The military does have the ability to degrade signals on a regional area. Quoting from a website Here "Langley says the civilian GPS signal relies on a so-called " coarse/acquisition code" (c/a), which enables a receiver to determine the distance to the satellite. But the US military relies on the "precise code" (p).

The p code is transmitted over a much wider bandwidth than the c/a code explains Langley: "So you can jam the narrower c/a code without jamming the wider signal."

I can assure you RadioRay the FCC does not have any better receiver than ONStar.

Like I have said many times - The FCC is not going to spend a lot of manpower chasing down single trucker. I do see them going after more and more after the sources of these illegal radio and the people that do the mods.

Last point to another trucker's comment. I am a retired trucker. I hope it meets your complaint. :D

kc0iv

ssoutlaw · Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Posts: 793 Location: Indianapolis,In

RadioRay wrote: Southerner??? Look at my location on the left? I was BORN in Arkansas, fer heavens' sake! :D :D

Hey radioray, I guarantee you this you break a law every day. Maybe its 2 or 3 miles over the speed limit, maybe you don't do a complete stop at a stop sign or you might forget to signal to change lanes. and these things could really hurt someone. Maybe some se@ual act with your wife( I wont go into this but it is a law and you know what Im refering to) Everyone does it , so what makes it better for you to put someones life in danger on the road and then you want to stop someone from talking on 10 meter. One reason alot of us go to 10 meter is to escape the idiots on the regular CB channels. Don't get me wrong, I don't think anyone should be on freqs. that are used for fire, police, or military but everything else should be fair game. I don't think anyone should tell you you cant talk on your ham channels, its stupid. If you don't mess with emerg. or rescue or anything related to this then why do you need a license. This is a victimless crime and YOU have wasted so much space on this thread it is unreal! and I assure you this is not something that is high on the governments list to pursue, no matter what the law says!!!!!!!! I for 1 will always use my dx88 and you and no one else will do anything about it. GIVE IT A REST

RadioRay · Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 165 Location: North Carolina

[quote="ssoutlaw"] RadioRay wrote: Southerner??? Look at my location on the left? I was BORN in Arkansas, fer heavens' sake! :D :D

Hey radioray, I guarantee you this you break a law every day. Maybe its 2 or 3 miles over the speed limit, maybe you don't do a complete stop at a stop sign or you might forget to signal to change lanes. and these things could really hurt someone.
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I can't prove that I didn't . The only proof I can give is, I haven't had a speeding ticket in 26 years. Or a chargeable accident in almost 40. One bump in a parking lot not my fault.

Everyone does it , so what makes it better for you to put someones life in danger on the road and then you want to stop someone from talking on 10 meter. One reason alot of us go to 10 meter is to escape the idiots on the regular CB channels.
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OK, so if it "does no harm" then it should be OK for me to borrow your car while you are asleep. So long as I bring it back undented, that would be OK, right?

The use of 10 Meters is a LAME excuse. There are FORTY distinct and LEGAL channels, MOST, or many, of which are QUIET at any given time of day or night. ONLY a very FEW are used. *I* don't have a right or business borrowing your car without your permission and YOU have NO business on 10 Meters without "permission" which = the license. BOTH are against the law and will subject you to fines or even jail time. The rule of law is what makes it possible for society to function. When each individual decides that the law does not apply to him, chaos can result, and it is why there are penalties for breaking laws.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think anyone should be on freqs. that are used for fire, police, or military but everything else should be fair game. I don't think anyone should tell you you cant talk on your ham channels, its stupid. If you don't mess with emerg. or rescue or anything related to this then why do you need a license. This is a victimless crime
*************************************************************And you have no idea or expertise that gives credence to your position, not one clue! Why do you need a license to drive that truck? BECAUSE it shows that you have had SOME knowledge of the RULES and procedures for doing so. I have no CDL. Would you want me or just any jackleg out there beside you driving a big rig? (I did, however, drive in the 70's)Radio by its very nature has to have rules of the "road" in order to prevent interference and HARM to other users. IF you and your untrained friends had your way, the problems you have with those base stations truckers complain about would seem like a Sunday School lesson; you nor anybody else would be able to use a radio. Those hams STUDIED their rules, learned various levels of radio theory in order to obtain their privileges and they have EARNED those privileges so long as they obey the rules. You, OTH, probably went out to Joe's Truck Stop and CB Hack Shop, bought a radio, had someone install it FOR you and started yakking away. Many of US BUILT our OWN antennas and can repair our OWN equipment. Again, "Fair Game" would ensure that you wouldn't be able to talk a block away for all the RAMBO Radio types that would come out of the woodwork. In stark constrast, with the exception of a few bad apples, hams return the favor of using all those frequencies by providing disaster communications, spotting storms for the weather service and doing comm. work for Red Cross and other organizations, even assisting in Maritime Rescue of which there are MANY examples of sinking ships that have Amateur Radio to thank for the fact that people are walking the deck today.

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no matter what the law says!!!!!!!! I for 1 will always use my dx88 and you and no one else will do anything about it. GIVE IT A REST

Here we go again with the "I'm this big bad boy that drives this great big truck and can't nobody do anything with me". I've seen PLENTY of BIG, BAD CB radio types that tangled with FCC and the Federal Marshals and got a huge smackdown. Hams, too! For grins and giggles type in "Rabbit Ears and CB Radio" on Google He had that same attitude. Uh, he came to court in LEG IRONS, got $40,000 in fines AND 8 YEARS in jail. He did all sorts of begging when they popped him :D :D Did no good.

Keep believing "I'm gonna keep talking on 10 Meters" and see what happens!! Indeed, don't take my word for it, I wouldn't WANT you to do that. Just wait! Just wait and see. I talked to 'the man' today. The Feds are typically slow, but there IS something in the works. We will see who does the laughing when it does! :wink: Remember: the snake that is in the bushes doesn't necessarily rattle before it strikes. FCC is in those bushes and WILL strike: I've been assured of that!

OH! You can call him yourself! It isn't a secret.

1-717-338-2502 Call it and see who that is.

Drive Safe now, Ten-four?

RR

century451 · Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 202 Location: Sparta, MO

Well not exactly victimless crime talking on 10 meters and not being licensed. The FCC is always looking for bandwidth to reallocate. The licenses lets them keep track of how many Hams are licensed for each spectrum as well interest in future Hams that are upgrading. They even made it easy for you to get licensed by dropping the code requirement. Its one of those use it or lose it type things. So if it isn't used or is used improperly it will be targeted by other government agency's or business interests then the rules of the game will become much more serious.

Personally myself...I could care less what you do in your truck with your CB. But when you bust into my DX....that's a different story. I earned the right to be legal and operate in that bandwidth by being licensed. If you haven't earned the same privilege, you don't belong there. As for the FCC doesn't have the money to prosecute.......they have a lot of money and you pay it.... they use lawyers that work for the government.

Ray.... you are wasting energy and oxygen on folks that just want to yank your chain. No matter what you say they will throw the same garbage at you.

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