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ken_o · Joined: 06 Nov 2005 Posts: 667

if you think companies r going to fire someone becauz of a radio you must of not heard of the driver shortage, you have only stated cases of stationary drivers, same runs all the time, how did they find them because of people like you complaing about people like that. im not advocating truckers run 2 or 4 alternators and pump out 10k watts of rhetoric nor do i advocate ratting on them because you have taken the little time to get that license a 5 year could get. the vast magority of drivers r operating 10 meter radios on the cb band not bothering you on the otherband. take a hint theirs no need to start a new thread for the same bs over and over again keep it on one thread the radio ray fcc enforcement thread .

RadioRay · Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 165 Location: North Carolina

ken_o wrote: if you think companies r going to fire someone becauz of a radio you must of not heard of the driver shortage, you have only stated cases of stationary drivers, same runs all the time, how did they find them because of people like you complaing about people like that. im not advocating truckers run 2 or 4 alternators and pump out 10k watts of rhetoric nor do i advocate ratting on them because you have taken the little time to get that license a 5 year could get. the vast magority of drivers r operating 10 meter radios on the cb band not bothering you on the otherband. take a hint theirs no need to start a new thread for the same bs over and over again keep it on one thread the radio ray fcc enforcement thread .

It's already happened! Drivers HAVE been fired for this (Cheetah Transportation). When FCC starts talking $10,000 fines per occurance, you'll see how fast they will get rid of a driver for doing it.

Drivers operating dumb "10 Meter" radios on 27 MHZ are not the problem. It's the ones operating them on the actual 10 Meter band that ARE! The licensed hams are not "ratting out" drivers on the CB band. But they WILL report those they find on 10 Meters--or any other band where unlicensed people don't belong!

Drive Safe

RR

Markk9 · Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 38 Location: PA

Ray, I know for a fact that one company told the FCC in writing and over the phone to give them proof that it was their drive on the radio. The FCC could not, said company told them to stop harassing them or they would follow up with legal action. After calling the FCC's bluff, the FCC has not called or written to said company.

With out proof, ie catching the truck and finding the radio. All the FCC can do is huff and puff with letters and then talking about fines. That is the facts. Know there are companies that do get scared, but most do not.

Mark

ken_o · Joined: 06 Nov 2005 Posts: 667

in order to report them theyd have to be very very close as we both know. they must be in some sortof vehicle seeking out the violator get the truck info name and num etc.. this is blatent ratting.
the trucking company getting fined is a scare tactic propogated by you and the fcc they r not liable for criminal actions of their employees.all trucking companies r aware of this and put it in their policy book regardless of such they r still not liable for another individual willfully breaking the law which you speak of. do u have any proof of a fine issued to a trucking company from a judge of this united states.
they will continue to go after individuals and the businesses that sell them.
as they r the ones breaking the law, the fcc is a joke.
a fine is just that. not a court action and only enforcable by a court action, lets c the fcc get one against a trucking company c how that works out for them if said company disputes such.

RadioRay · Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 165 Location: North Carolina

Then THIS is what will happen--and I have been told by an inside employee of FCC that it is being worked on now.

The Federal laws already state that one must comply with ALL state and Federal laws and regulations in order to operate commercial truck in interstate commerce. This means that ANY equipment that is deemed ILLEGAL must NOT be installed in commercial vehicles. So-called "export" radios are illegal to SELL or USE by unlicensed persons. They appear on a list of transceivers specifically by name as being illegal. So they are trying to get DOT involved in random inspections at weight scales. States are always looking at ways to enhance revenue!
A bit of fine-sharing with states is incentive to get state DOT officers involved in seizing unlawful radio equipment. And there are other things being looked at as well.

It is easy to try to defy the Federal Communications Commission, or look like "I'm the toughest bird in the world because I have this large vehicle".
First of all, companies have NO interest in protecting drivers who are clearly breaking the law and have been very cooperative, so the story of a company defying FCC doesn't hold water. They KNOW who the driver is because of the log and the bill of lading showing the truck and trailer AND the person driving it. Should THAT happen, the FCC already has the TRUCK number, DOT number, location, time/date, and frequency of operation. They would then merely force the company to produce the truck without warning and pull an onsite inspection. The illegal radio equipment would then be SEIZED on the spot, and a citation issued. The FCC is lettering companies because THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY ILLEGAL EQUIPMENT THAT MAY BE INSTALLED IN THEIR FLEET AND ARE RESPONSIBLE TO GET IT REMOVED OR FACE SEVERE FINES! Playing "we don't think you can do anything" games won't work because it will only result in a different tactic that would lead to a big fine. An "export" radio is not worth it to a company to protect or try to defy the law over; IOW, they won't do it. :D

The law is clear. No one may transmit using illegal equipment, and they may not transmit on frequencies for which they have no authorization. This has been the law for at least 70 years. The Amateur Radio allocations are protected by law and under international treaties. If anyone thinks they will just talk where they please and nobody can do anything about it, they are foolish!!

Drivers have the privilege of operating FCC-approved, 40 channel CB radios. Period. No more, no less. You may make digs at RadioRay all you like, but you may be sure that no group is going to just yap where they like with no consequences. Perhaps, it is because the size of the vehicles gives some feeling of invincibility, but it won't fly. Those who have EARNED the privilege of using radio frequencies by way of license or authorization will be protected; you can count on that. Any "BIG BAD REDDIO RAMBO" stuff will fall by the wayside. Will you REALLY want to have agents at scales pulling you over and snatching out the $399 Galaxy radio? It can happen if this "I'm this here big bad driver that has special rights to yap on them channels" stuff keeps up"! :wink:

Drive Wisely, Arrive Alively!

RR

ken_o · Joined: 06 Nov 2005 Posts: 667

oh i c so what your saying is, a driver starts up a meth lab in the bunk area of his company truck. the carrier is now lookin at 3-10 .
common man you know dm well if a radio gets siezed it just ends up in their car. this whole instant seizure thing without due process you speak of, borderlines on criminal action itself preying on stupid truckers.
the fcc is a joke while our legal system is in shambles and our constitution is being thrown by the wayside. ray you schould be more concerned about the eminant domain ruling handed down by the supreme court.
while The constitution is being thrown by the wayside, your worried about someone elses radios.

We get it ray but your an anal retentiv fr it would be good to hear about you preaching The fairtax plan, the value of our constitution.
spread the word fairtax plan. fairtax plan, fairtax plan.

TOWSTRAP · Joined: 04 Nov 2006 Posts: 10

RadioRay wrote: I have been told by an inside employee of FCC that it is being worked on now.

Classic RR. :roll:

Those of us who use 10 meter radios and have done so for years are just lucky huh?

Roadside inspections, full DOT inspections in the barn behind the scale house all with 10 meter radio and linier in the dash.

I'm more worried about getting busted with a radar detector. RR, your scare tactics REALLY don't work, but it must make you feel better to make your posts', your doing your noble duty for the FCC and your ham buddies, huh?

Markk9 · Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 38 Location: PA

to bad Ray does not understand how the FCC must stop and find an illegal radio in the truck before any action can be taken against the driver. The FCC can take no action against the company. The FCC doesn't have the money, man power, or time to do such a thing.

Little O Ray can say, I think such and such truck has an illegal radio, write a nice letter to FCC. But FCC understands one thing Little O Ray can't seem to understand, they need to find an illegal radio to do anything to truck driver.

Little O Ray is back to writing the regs that we all already know. Little O Ray seems to have a hard time with the concept of the written law vs the enforceable law.

Little O Ray do you understand that it's illegal to drive your car or truck over the posted speed limit. But a whole lot of people do it every day and don't get caught, that is written law vs enforceable law.

I bet Little O Ray is one of those HAM's that no other HAM will talk to over his nifty radio, so he has to come on the trucking boards and bug us truckers.

Mark

Markk9 · Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 38 Location: PA

RadioRay wrote:

It is easy to try to defy the Federal Communications Commission, or look like "I'm the toughest bird in the world because I have this large vehicle".
First of all, companies have NO interest in protecting drivers who are clearly breaking the law and have been very cooperative, so the story of a company defying FCC doesn't hold water. They KNOW who the driver is because of the log and the bill of lading showing the truck and trailer AND the person driving it. Should THAT happen, the FCC already has the TRUCK number, DOT number, location, time/date, and frequency of operation. They would then merely force the company to produce the truck without warning and pull an onsite inspection. The illegal radio equipment would then be SEIZED on the spot, and a citation issued. The FCC is lettering companies because THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY ILLEGAL EQUIPMENT THAT MAY BE INSTALLED IN THEIR FLEET AND ARE RESPONSIBLE TO GET IT REMOVED OR FACE SEVERE FINES! Playing "we don't think you can do anything" games won't work because it will only result in a different tactic that would lead to a big fine. An "export" radio is not worth it to a company to protect or try to defy the law over; IOW, they won't do it. :D

RR

Little O Ray, how does the log show which truck was operating the illegal radio?? On any given road there are how many trucks? If you believe that all truck drivers keep their logs correct, you are a nut job. With out the FCC using those vans to hunt down one truck at a time they have no clue who is the truck with an illegal radio. It will take the FCC money, man power and time, all of which they do not have.

The trucking companies are not responsible for what I put in the truck, I am. I signed a letter stating a will not carry anything illegal. It is no different then having drugs in the truck from a legal stand point.

The DOT is already overworked and undermanned to enforce the vehicle code. They are not going to help you.

Little O Ray needs to back to the library and read up a bit more

Mark

kc0iv · Joined: 03 Feb 2005 Posts: 1113 Location: Kansas City, MO

Markk9 wrote: The trucking companies are not responsible for what I put in the truck, I am. I signed a letter stating a will not carry anything illegal. It is no different then having drugs in the truck from a legal stand point.

Markk9 let me ask you a question. Can a Federal, State, County, or City Law Enforcement Officer impound a vehicle that is found to have illegal drugs?

If they can what can happens to this impounded vehicle?

Now for the discussion at hand. While I agree these letters is more of a bluff. They can draw attentions to a company that they might not want. A simple call from one agency to another agency can and has happen.

Along these same lines as more and more companies are using GPS systems it will become easier to locate a given truck.

The FCCs does have the ability to detect one truck from another truck. The old concept that they have to use the old triangulation method is old history. Such thing as signature analogous and/or frequency stability are just two of the many ways they can detect a given transmitter. With the onboard computer the ability of the FCC to detect transmissions are really quite simple.

The old days of a FCC truck sporting a bunch of antennas are also gone. They can and do use unmarked cars without external antennas.

The FCC is never going to use the manpower it would require to put a stop to illegal radios. They have bigger fish to fry than the single truckdriver. I do see a stepped program by the FCC to close down the sources of these illegal radios as had been done in the past. As with everything else as long as there is more than 1 person on earth someone will break the law. Be it radio laws, speeding, or any other man made law.

BTW RR and I have been going back and forth for years. He has a passion for the protection of the ham bands. I think at times it clouds and gets in the way of better judgement.

kc0iv

Markk9 · Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 38 Location: PA

kc0iv, you are correct. The FCC must stop the truck and find the illegal radio, just like drugs. No radio (or drugs) no bust. You said it best, to stop the radios from being used they need to stop them from being sold.

What gets me is the way Little O Ray states that is law and must stop or we are get you. He is just a bitter old HAM with no friends to DX with.

Mark

RadioRay · Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 165 Location: North Carolina

Markk9 wrote: RadioRay wrote:

It is easy to try to defy the Federal Communications Commission, or look like "I'm the toughest bird in the world because I have this large vehicle".
First of all, companies have NO interest in protecting drivers who are clearly breaking the law and have been very cooperative, so the story of a company defying FCC doesn't hold water. They KNOW who the driver is because of the log and the bill of lading showing the truck and trailer AND the person driving it. Should THAT happen, the FCC already has the TRUCK number, DOT number, location, time/date, and frequency of operation. They would then merely force the company to produce the truck without warning and pull an onsite inspection. The illegal radio equipment would then be SEIZED on the spot, and a citation issued. The FCC is lettering companies because THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY ILLEGAL EQUIPMENT THAT MAY BE INSTALLED IN THEIR FLEET AND ARE RESPONSIBLE TO GET IT REMOVED OR FACE SEVERE FINES! Playing "we don't think you can do anything" games won't work because it will only result in a different tactic that would lead to a big fine. An "export" radio is not worth it to a company to protect or try to defy the law over; IOW, they won't do it. :D

RR

Little O Ray, how does the log show which truck was operating the illegal radio?? On any given road there are how many trucks? If you believe that all truck drivers keep their logs correct, you are a nut job. With out the FCC using those vans to hunt down one truck at a time they have no clue who is the truck with an illegal radio. It will take the FCC money, man power and time, all of which they do not have.

The trucking companies are not responsible for what I put in the truck, I am. I signed a letter stating a will not carry anything illegal. It is no different then having drugs in the truck from a legal stand point.

The DOT is already overworked and undermanned to enforce the vehicle code. They are not going to help you.

Little O Ray needs to back to the library and read up a bit more

Mark

(Sigh) Let's put it another way. The load is dispatched out of X-terminal going to Y-terminal. Driver is seen transmitting and heard by a monitoring station. Monitor records the transmission of the driver on the radio, observes him using the mike corresponding with what was said over the radio during the same period of time. Monitor records company name, tractor number, date-time, location, milepost, direction of travel, frequency of operation and forwards it to FCC. Now, lets' say that in this case, the company doesn't want to cooperate. FCC then forces company to surrender records of that truck during the suspected time period. Then the TRUCK is forced to surrender to a physical inspection--maybe even a surprise inspection. I know you are BIG and BAD, but I can tell you have never dealt with FCC before.

But, then, this has not happened anyway, and the companies are more than willing to cooperate; they have no reason to protect a driver from adverse actions regarding a radio. In fact, they have been VERY cooperative in having the illegal equipment removed from the trucks. That didn't come from me. How about calling 717-338-2502 where the letters come from. That's direct to FCC Gettsburg and tell HIM you, or your company, ain't gonna comply with an official letter. :D See what happens. There's people serving prison time right now because they thought the same way you are, and they found out their alligator mouth overloaded their canary a$$. :D Funny in one way, pathetic in another.

All *I* am trying to do is inform people that transmitting OUTSIDE the 40 Cb channels is against the law and IS getting people into trouble! The "10 Meter" radios are illegal to sell and illegal use both on CB and on the ham bands without the license. Intruders are not welcome on those licensed bands, and the LEGITIMATE users of those frequencies are fed up with interference caused by those who think they are bigger than the law.

Drivers have the privilege of using CB radio----all 40 channels. They do NOT have any business yapping on 10 Meters without the required license. That's all whether you believe it or not! :wink:

RR

century451 · Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 202 Location: Sparta, MO

I can tell you that in 1990 I was hanging out with a friend in Woodbridge VA messing with a CB that had been converted and loaded up with a linear and was playing in the CB band width. Unfortunately the transmissions ended up with Harmonics in the 10 meter band and we were both busted by the FCC. The fortunate thing was we were given the opportunity to get Ham Licenses
and turn over the gear instead of being prosecuted. So call BS if you want to but you would be surprised how they find you and document who is doing the offense's. Call it scare tactic if you want but i wouldn't want to get slapped with the fine and or prison time just to prove I was wrong about that.

ken_o · Joined: 06 Nov 2005 Posts: 667

pirate radio#1

traveler15301 · Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:29 pm Post subject: Why bother???

I fail to see the need to have a "new" band and more channels. Sure 19 is pretty busy and not conducive to idle chatting, but there ARE 39 other channels out there and I have NEVER seen every last one busy when I needed to go to another channel to get detailed directions or just to BS. And why bother with a big kicker either?? The legal power level is sufficient for almost all necessary or recreative communication and if you feel the need to talk to someone 20 miles away...use your cell phone. Hell, you can even talk to someone 2000 miles away on it!!! Geez, I wonder how big of a kicker I need to make MY cell phone "reach out and touch someone" 2000 miles away?? Maybe I could hook up a 10 MW kicker to my cell and call Mars!!!

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