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ken_o
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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| yeah i figured as much but never wanted to test it out. so really what were saying is yes you can. question answered. |
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Double R
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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ken_o wrote: yeah i figured as much but never wanted to test it out. so really what were saying is yes you can. question answered.
Yup. Yes you can. I have gone round and round with this topic with our regional safety supervisor. He lost, I won. :D |
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kc0iv
Joined: 03 Feb 2005
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Location: Kansas City, MO
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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Double R wrote: ken_o wrote: thread states can u be on duty past the 14 hour clock. we all know you can be on duty past your forteen hours but when you come off lne4 you may not drive for 10 hours thats it question answered. but the better question would be after you were on duty for lets say 15 hours and went directly to line 2 would you be fined later on. for that xtra hour lets say a day later not an oos violation but a 14 hour violation.? of course who in their right mind would show 15 hours on duty. so this is all pointless.
Technically, I don't see were you can be fined for being on-duty past the 14 hours. You went right to line two for ten. And I have shown over 14 hours before and I have never had it questioned by safety and the DOT. Had a level one day after I longed 15.5 hours(under 11 driving) and the DOT never questioned it. 100% on both truck and driver.
Quote: A driver may remain on duty after the 14-hour window closes or go off duty after the 11th hour of driving, in each case returning to work after 10 hours off duty on something other than a 24-hour cycle. Nonetheless, FMCSA believes that most drivers, most of the time, will go off duty at or before the end of the 14th hour, since their principal responsibility-- driving--is illegal after that point.
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See: Page 49980 C. Executive Summary
of: Final Ruling
The FMCSA only says that you CAN NOT drive until you either be OFF Duty (line 1) or in the Sleeper (line 2) for at least 10 hours before you can drive again.
I agree with ken_o "of course who in their right mind would show 15 hours on duty"
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Rev.Vassago
Joined: 04 Apr 2006
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kc0iv wrote: I agree with ken_o "of course who in their right mind would show 15 hours on duty"
I've had days where I have been on duty for 17 or more hours. It happens. :wink: |
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Double R
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: I agree with ken_o "of course who in their right mind would show 15 hours on duty"
IF YOUR ON-DUTY PAST 14 HOURS, YOU HAVE TO LOG (SHOW) IT!
It is that simple. If you don't show it and work, you just falsified your log. |
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Jackrabbit379
Joined: 22 Oct 2005
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Location: Wichita Falls,Tx
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Not if you don't have an on board computer. :wink: :P |
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Double R
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Jackrabbit379 wrote: Not if you don't have an on board computer. :wink: :P
I know, i know. we don't have ANY thing in our trucks that track us either, I was just saying. :D |
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kc0iv
Joined: 03 Feb 2005
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Location: Kansas City, MO
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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Double R wrote: Quote: I agree with ken_o "of course who in their right mind would show 15 hours on duty"
IF YOUR ON-DUTY PAST 14 HOURS, YOU HAVE TO LOG (SHOW) IT!
It is that simple. If you don't show it and work, you just falsified your log.
I'm not say It is legal. Nor is anybody else. Many things are done that is NOT legal.
Example: How many people show a true time when they do a pre-trip? VS putting 15 minutes in the log. Or how many show 15 minutes for fueling?
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yoopr
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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kc0iv wrote: Double R wrote: Quote: I agree with ken_o "of course who in their right mind would show 15 hours on duty"
IF YOUR ON-DUTY PAST 14 HOURS, YOU HAVE TO LOG (SHOW) IT!
It is that simple. If you don't show it and work, you just falsified your log.
I'm not say It is legal. Nor is anybody else. Many things are done that is NOT legal.
Example: How many people show a true time when they do a pre-trip? VS putting 15 minutes in the log. Or how many show 15 minutes for fueling?
kc0iv
Better show that 15 minutes for when you're fueling because there's a code on the Receipt that will SAY when you fueled if anybody really wants to do some serious checking.
Old days all you had was a receipt where you could get away with it. |
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kc0iv
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yoopr wrote:
Better show that 15 minutes for when you're fueling because there's a code on the Receipt that will SAY when you fueled if anybody really wants to do some serious checking.
Old days all you had was a receipt where you could get away with it.
My point is there is very few times a person can fuel and get a receipt in 15 minutes.
Time flys when your having fun. :wink:
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Dawn
Joined: 31 Oct 2006
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Location: Indianapolis, In
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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kc0iv wrote: yoopr wrote:
Better show that 15 minutes for when you're fueling because there's a code on the Receipt that will SAY when you fueled if anybody really wants to do some serious checking.
Old days all you had was a receipt where you could get away with it.
My point is there is very few times a person can fuel and get a receipt in 15 minutes.
Time flys when your having fun. :wink:
kc0iv
Kc: You are so right you pointed out the issue on fuel receipts, it isn't about the receipt it is about the time, date, gallons etc the DOT officer gets when they enter the office to do a DOT audit. Sometimes it can be proven the fuel stop took longer than 15 minutes! Sucks I know! It has been done though, that is from the "inside of the office" ! |
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Rev.Vassago
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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Dawn wrote: Kc: You are so right you pointed out the issue on fuel receipts, it isn't about the receipt it is about the time, date, gallons etc the DOT officer gets when they enter the office to do a DOT audit. Sometimes it can be proven the fuel stop took longer than 15 minutes! Sucks I know! It has been done though, that is from the "inside of the office" !
It would be an easy thing to fight though. VERY easy. The burden of proof is on the DOT. |
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Dawn
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Location: Indianapolis, In
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Rev.Vassago wrote: Dawn wrote: Kc: You are so right you pointed out the issue on fuel receipts, it isn't about the receipt it is about the time, date, gallons etc the DOT officer gets when they enter the office to do a DOT audit. Sometimes it can be proving the fuel stop took longer than 15 minutes! Sucks I know! It has been done though, that is from the "inside of the office" !
It would be an easy thing to fight though. VERY easy. The burden of proof is on the DOT.
The burden of proof would be on the what the driver submits and actually does/ which involves the company and what they documentation they retain inside the office. Also keep in mind there is officers that will sit and watch what you do and time you, then pull you over and inspect your logs! This has been done, I don't hear of it often like it happens all of the time, but it does happen so be aware of your what surrounds you (s/p?). |
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yoopr
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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kc0iv wrote: yoopr wrote:
Better show that 15 minutes for when you're fueling because there's a code on the Receipt that will SAY when you fueled if anybody really wants to do some serious checking.
Old days all you had was a receipt where you could get away with it.
My point is there is very few times a person can fuel and get a receipt in 15 minutes.
Time flys when your having fun. :wink:
kc0iv
Oh hell yeah-that's impossible.
DOT up here has sometimes done some serious questioning on things and all of a sudden you have someone sitting in the Jump Seat saying "OK-Let's see how you did such and such a Run" :P
Never to me of course lol |
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Deus
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| Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| I can get fuel faster than 15 minutes :-) Not filling both tanks full, but still. I like this truck stop I get fuel at sometimes. Slide my comdata card, and when I go in they have the receipt all ready for me, in and out. |
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