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ibamars
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:26 pm Post subject: my understanding of HOS |
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OK, i understand the 11/14. really pretty basic to understand. my confusion comes in with the split logging. heres my interpretation of split logging.
I just drove 5 hours. now i am really really tired cause i stayed up late last night. So I drove 5 hours and I go into sleeper berth for 8 hours. no off duty just sleeper berth. Now I wake up and i continue the other 6 hours to finish up my 11. NOw from how I interpret it is you can do that because the 8 hrs recalculates where the break is. I think the FMCSR says recalculate from the end of the first break period. Then after I drive those hours and then I take a ten hour break. then the 11 gets reset.
So thats how i interpret it. My company doesnt do split logging due to confusion in it. But if I am in a jam hey u never know.
Am I close or should I stay away from the federal govt writing manual. I didnt graduate from the federal govt writing requirements class. my god these people. I swear i am gonna run for office cause these people are out there.
Its like the new John Mayer song "one day our generation is gonna rule the population" thats his new "waiting on the world to change song." |
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Rev.Vassago
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: my understanding of HOS |
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ibamars wrote: I just drove 5 hours. now i am really really tired cause i stayed up late last night. So I drove 5 hours and I go into sleeper berth for 8 hours. no off duty just sleeper berth. Now I wake up and i continue the other 6 hours to finish up my 11. NOw from how I interpret it is you can do that because the 8 hrs recalculates where the break is. I think the FMCSR says recalculate from the end of the first break period. Then after I drive those hours and then I take a ten hour break. then the 11 gets reset.
Yes. You have it correct. The only thing that stops the 14 hour clock is 8 hours in the sleeper berth, and the only thing that resets the 11 hour clock is 10 consecutive hours in the sleeper.
5 on, 8 off, 6 on, and 2 off would give you 5 more hours before you had to take 8 off.
5 on, 8 off, 6 on, 10 off will give you 11 hours before you have to take 10 off. |
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yoopr
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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I swear i am gonna run for office cause these people are out there.
Just find that out? :P |
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allan5oh
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Say for example if you took the 8 hours sleeper, then 6 hours driving(now out of hours), then after the 6 hours you took 2 hours OFF DUTY. Now both are "reset" and start counting at the END of the 8 hours sleeper. You have 6 hours on the 11 hour rule, and 8 hours on the 14 hour rule. |
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Rev.Vassago
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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allan5oh wrote: Say for example if you took the 8 hours sleeper, then 6 hours driving(now out of hours), then after the 6 hours you took 2 hours OFF DUTY. Now both are "reset" and start counting at the END of the 8 hours sleeper. You have 6 hours on the 11 hour rule, and 8 hours on the 14 hour rule.
Nope - 5 hours on, 8 hours off, 6 hours on, 2 hours off, 5 hours on
He then has 5 hours before he has to take an additional 8 hours off, not 6. If you are splitting, you always add up the hours on each side of the break. Adding the two periods on each side of the sleeper break cannot be more than 11 hours.
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allan5oh
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| You're right, don't know where my mind was! |
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yoopr
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| Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| go back to the Old HOS-Problem solved :P |
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jansiemoo
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:47 am Post subject: |
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Just think of a cd player: pausing vs stopping a song. If you take a break more than 2 hours but less than 10, you are just *pausing* that song. The time before that still counts. You're still on that first song.
You can't start a new one until you take 10hours. That *resets* your clock- stops it.
I know it's kinda crazy but it's helped a couple kids my age that grew up with this type of technology. |
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allan5oh
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:07 am Post subject: |
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That 10 hours off can be:
1) a mixture of off-duty and sleeper berth that is consecutive 10 hours
IF the driver chooses to "split"
2) 8 hours sleeper berth
3) 2 hours sleeper berth, or off duty, or any mixture of the 2
Some situations where the split sleeper gets "hazy":
5 hours driving, then driver takes 8 hours sleeper, then ONE hour "off-duty"
In this situation, that one hour counts towards the 14 hour rule. However, if the driver fulfills his split sleeper reset(2 hours sleeper, off duty, or any combo of both) that 1 hour off duty no longer counts. However, the 2 hours you used for the "split" now counts against the 14 hour rule. That is, until you take 8 hours sleeper berth.
It really doesn't make sense to split if you're doing regular OTR. The 2 hours you need off duty to reset your 11 hours works against the 14 hour rule. Really a shitty way of doing things. |
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Dawn
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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IBMARS: The best way I can tell you how to calculate your 11 & 14 when split breaking is this. YOu have the first steps that you need to do my cheat sheet here!
After your second break
1) Go to the end of the previous break and count over 14 hours (the breaks being your 2 or 8)
2) Go the end of your previous break; Look forward do you have a 2 hour break or an 8 hour break or more? Look below and do the following for whichever break you fall into.
A) 2 hour break: Your final 14 hour mark is the one you made on Step 1.
B) 8 Hour SLEEPER break: Count the number of hours in the SLEEPER
and count over from your 14 hour mark you made on step 1; make a new mark.
YOU CAN NOT DRIVE PASSED THOSE MARKS UNTIL YOU HAVE FULLFILLED YOUR NEXT BREAK OR TAKEN A FULL 10 HOUR BREAK
3) Count total hours of driving time in BETWEEN the 2 & 8 hour break and subtract that from 11, the answer is how many hour you can drive.
You must keep track of your 14 hour rules at all times. You can't just say If I drive 5 sleep 8 drive 6 off 2. YOU MUST KNOW HOW IT REALLY WORKS with other issues that come to play
The breaks can be more than 2. JUST REMEMBER THE 2 HOUR BREAK DOES NOT EXTEND THE 14 HOUR!
Split breaking is a great tool to know, it gets many drivers out of situations they need to get out of and do it LEGALLY!
I know my split breaking and I know how to put it the easiest way! I have many drivers tell me this as I teach @ least 50 drivers a week that are new drivers and they tell me I am the only one that has explained it the best/easiest way!
Ignore whatever REV says about me, he is just jealous I know my crap!
HAVE A GREAT NIGHT MY TRUCKERS AND MOST OF ALL BE SAFE
Run legal or you can be put in prison! |
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Rev.Vassago
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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Dawn wrote: IBMARS: The best way I can tell you how to calculate your 11 & 14 when split breaking is this. YOu have the first steps that you need to do my cheat sheet here!
After your second break
1) Go to the end of the previous break and count over 14 hours (the breaks being your 2 or 8)
2) Go the end of your previous break; Look forward do you have a 2 hour break or an 8 hour break or more? Look below and do the following for whichever break you fall into.
A) 2 hour break: Your final 14 hour mark is the one you made on Step 1.
B) 8 Hour SLEEPER break: Count the number of hours in the SLEEPER
and count over from your 14 hour mark you made on step 1; make a new mark.
YOU CAN NOT DRIVE PASSED THOSE MARKS UNTIL YOU HAVE FULLFILLED YOUR NEXT BREAK OR TAKEN A FULL 10 HOUR BREAK
3) Count total hours of driving time in BETWEEN the 2 & 8 hour break and subtract that from 11, the answer is how many hour you can drive.
You must keep track of your 14 hour rules at all times. You can't just say If I drive 5 sleep 8 drive 6 off 2. YOU MUST KNOW HOW IT REALLY WORKS with other issues that come to play
The breaks can be more than 2. JUST REMEMBER THE 2 HOUR BREAK DOES NOT EXTEND THE 14 HOUR!
Split breaking is a great tool to know, it gets many drivers out of situations they need to get out of and do it LEGALLY!
I know my split breaking and I know how to put it the easiest way! I have many drivers tell me this as I teach @ least 50 drivers a week that are new drivers and they tell me I am the only one that has explained it the best/easiest way!
Didn't we already cover this? Why rehash the same information that others have already given? There is nothing here that hasn't been said by others already - except they used better grammar.
Quote: Ignore whatever REV says about me, he is just jealous I know my crap!
Dawn is a wonderful person.
Quote: HAVE A GREAT NIGHT MY TRUCKERS AND MOST OF ALL BE SAFE
YOUR truckers? Since when are we "YOUR" truckers?
Quote: Run legal or you can be put in prison!
I wasn't aware that the punishment for violating an ORDINANCE was prison. :roll: |
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yoopr
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| You know the Old saying "those who teach..........." |
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Dawn
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Rev: I guess you need to understand if you are in an accident and it kills someone or hurts someone then you can/will be put in prison and fined some pretty big money. Check out the Taylor University accident in Indianapolis, Indiana that killed 5 kids (they miss identified the bodies of the 2 girls) Well there is an article that shows the driver in handcuffs because he had false logs! So maybe you really need to know logs is serious stuff.
and I re-posted because evident ally the guy still hasn't understood it from your previous messages as well! The grammar well isn't the point, it is plain English and using the stupid DOT words out of the book evidently is not working for the drivers because they would not be here looking for answers!
So Rev: I know my shiat! So you can like go pick on someone that really cares what you are saying because I DON'T! Wow it feels good to actually tell a driver what I really feel without worrying about getting FIRED! Hmmm been doing logs for 18 years I guess I would have been fired if I just didn't know what I was talking about!
Also: Truckers are my friends and I look out for them, I like truck drivers because they all have a different sense of humor and they all learn something from me! I have a few know it Al's, but you know I guess you get them everywhere you go. So yeah "To all my truckers" is a figure of speech and yeah I am letting them all know I am there for them!
LMAO! What is your credentials? Besides English class?
Are you a truck driver? Cause if you are do you get any miles on the road or is all your miles on the keyboard?
To all the other NICE truck drivers; I appreciate what you do and I am here if you need anything! I will find the answer for you! |
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yoopr
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| It's all in the Bible-FMCSA |
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Webby
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| Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:53 pm Post subject: Thank You |
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| Thank you Dawn for your help. |
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