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Skywalker
Joined: 10 Oct 2005
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Location: Pulling a Tanker for Superior Carriers!!
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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Creek Jackson wrote: In all accidents, one individual is given the opportunity for correction. This applies to any kind of accident, highway, workplace, anywhere, anytime.
Not so....and the reason you are in error is because "many accidents" even those involving fatalities.....involve ONLY ONE PERSON, so your hypothesis is "invalid", as in many events or accidents...the one person involved had zero "opportunity for correction".....
Quote: Thanks for letting me clarify this.
Actually, you muddied the water, with a not quite truthful statement.
Tell us....did you read this in a book....written by a government official? :P |
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ironeagle2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Skywalker you forgot the 4th one. Idiots that happen to be in the Saftey Departments of Trucking companys. While I was at a larger carrier we had a driver blow his motor and stall on a set of RR tracks and he called the RR to have them stop traffic ASAP trouble was there was a train 45 seconds away guess what they called that one PRVENTABLE. The saftey director said get this HE SHOULD HAVE PUSHED A FULLY LOADED TRACTOR TRAILER OFF A RR TRACK. |
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Double L
Joined: 26 Sep 2007
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Location: Illinois
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| :shock: :shock: How in the hell do you push a fully loaded 18 wheeler off a railroad track? Pushing a car is one thing but an 18 wheeler! C'MON, I think the safety director was on something! |
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ironeagle2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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I f I had not been on the Accident Review board I would not have believed it myself. Needless to say we told the Saftey Director that this one was Non Preventable and then told him to take a pee test IIRC on that part. He was PO at all of us for a while but we all left soon afterwards he made our lives hell we think he was trying to fire this driver for an accident.
The truck that got hit he had just had it serviced and the Air Compressor exploded and leaked all the oil and air out even if he wanted to there was no way that driver could have moved it no Air to release the brakes. |
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Double L
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Location: Illinois
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| If it was just serviced then the driver isn't at fault at all. Things such as blowing air compressors or throwing rods are beyond the drivers control! |
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ironeagle2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Not according to this saftey director. He thought that hitting deer was preventable. |
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Creek Jackson
Joined: 27 Nov 2007
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Location: Right-up-Ahead, Montana
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, I am sorry to have confused you all. Somethings are just a bit too deep to fathom,,,,,,apparently? :lol: |
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dewercs2
Joined: 13 Jan 2007
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Location: Hemet, CA
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:46 am Post subject: |
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Ok.... Since I have had my first accident I guess I'm qualified to chime in on this.
My accident was ruled Non Preventable by my company and by Illinois State Patrol.
I was driving north on I55 just past the TA in Troy, IL at 55mph, when a tandem brake hub came out of southbound traffic. Since it was night time I saw it after it had came halfway across the hammer lane and entered my lane.
I had a quick real world example of preceiving the problem and reacting to the problem.
It was maybe a second between the two. I remember getting off the fuel pedal and start to steer to the left and try to avoid, I don't think I had enough time to get to the brake. The drum hit my right front tire whipping the tire to the right, blowing the tire and launching the truck into the air. When it came down I had no time to turn the wheel back straight or even to the left. I was already going onto my left side.
Again.... It was ruled Non Preventable..... in talking with everyone I was told that with me doing 55mph and the brake hub maybe doing 55mph coming at me.... I had a rate of 110mph to deal with.
So how many would rule preventable?
I hope the driver that lost his drum dies a very painful death for what he's put me through... :twisted:
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Orangetxguy
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:06 am Post subject: |
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dewercs2 wrote: Ok.... Since I have had my first accident I guess I'm qualified to chime in on this.
My accident was ruled Non Preventable by my company and by Illinois State Patrol.
I was driving north on I55 just past the TA in Troy, IL at 55mph, when a tandem brake hub came out of southbound traffic. Since it was night time I saw it after it had came halfway across the hammer lane and entered my lane.
I had a quick real world example of preceiving the problem and reacting to the problem.
It was maybe a second between the two. I remember getting off the fuel pedal and start to steer to the left and try to avoid, I don't think I had enough time to get to the brake. The drum hit my right front tire whipping the tire to the right, blowing the tire and launching the truck into the air. When it came down I had no time to turn the wheel back straight or even to the left. I was already going onto my left side.
Again.... It was ruled Non Preventable..... in talking with everyone I was told that with me doing 55mph and the brake hub maybe doing 55mph coming at me.... I had a rate of 110mph to deal with.
So how many would rule preventable?
I hope the driver that lost his drum dies a very painful death for what he's put me through... :twisted:
pb
DW..nice to hear from ya. Unfortunately, the truck that lost the drum that hit you, was probably a junk hauler, who wasn't tarped, and was haulin a$$ for the yard. |
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Rockee
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Creek Jackson wrote: Preventable or non preventable accident? All accidents with no exception are preventable.
I think you must be mistaken |
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headborg
Joined: 06 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:40 am Post subject: |
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One wrote: Truck driving-esp. backing is all about taking a good look while setting up for a maneuver and then going by memory if theres something in your path or not and what line you have to take to get it in there...Just keep checking your mirrors tomake sure nothing gets in the way and to check your tragectory by the points of reference you took note of while setting up.
GOAL is for people with bad memories or no 3d thinking skills...and of course if you get the feeling youre getting close to something.
I say this because getting a barrier tall enough to damage crossmembers signifies a big miscalculation. Keep an eye on those crossmembers, esp. with a heavy load and while the forklift is running over them. Have them fixed asap, they are a dot violation.
this last part is 100% important-- check those crossmembers--broken/damaged rails are dot violation- and/or you could have a trailer break in half going down the street.
I agree with most of what ONE says--but, I do believe GOAL is sound Safety Advice which all of us-reguardless of experience level should consider. One of the biggest problem a beginner driver faces while backing- is other people get impatient WAITING for you--- this can quickly
change that "mental" image of what's actually behind you---if it's taking you a little longer to back in-- it might be a good ideal to get out and look it over again. Also, many older docks have protuding sharp objects that can tare off a door or very least damage it. Get Out and Investigate the dock you're going to back against.
Last but not least---remember a clean Mirror is a happy accident free Mirror-- you'd be suprised how much more you can see---with CLEAN mirrors. |
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