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Floored
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:05 pm Post subject: Should I get the warranty? |
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Buying my dirt truck, 2000 Freighshaker with a ISM Cummins engine. I can get a one year warranty for engine/tranny/rear included or the dealer will take $2000 off my purchase price if I don't take the warranty. The warranty does not cover what I figure would be most likely to go out on the truck (injectors, turbo) so I wonder if I am better off saving the 2k in the bank, or getting the warranty in the event something like a crank goes bad on me. Price of the truck is $26,000 with the warranty so I'd be at $24,000 without.
Truck was a Beneto fuel truck before so I'm assuming its been well serviced, it does drive very nice and is very clean inside and out, has 713k miles on it. Looking over the truck is looks like a turbo has been put on, other than that don't know much else on this truck or anything about Cummins engines for that matter. Thoughts? (LOL other than dont buy a Cummins or a FL, I'm set on this truck and it will work for what I need it for, I just dont know what goes out on Cummins so thats the help Im asking for, thanks!!) |
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MACK
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Is this truck a tandem or single axle because I have yet to run across a dump truck for less than $40,000 and that was a 1996 the only ones that were less were single axles?
As for the truck unless it is spec'ed with a strong front and rear suspension be prepared for springs to break on that truck since it was built from a tractor. |
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GMAN
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| I would probably pass on the warranty if all it covers is the crank. However, I would probably do a dyno and oil analysis. A turbo will run you between $1,200-1,800. The last injector I had to buy cost $366 each plus labor. Anything can break on a truck at any time. I don't care for Cummins, but they are easy to work on. |
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Floored
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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MACK wrote: Is this truck a tandem or single axle because I have yet to run across a dump truck for less than $40,000 and that was a 1996 the only ones that were less were single axles?
As for the truck unless it is spec'ed with a strong front and rear suspension be prepared for springs to break on that truck since it was built from a tractor.
truck is a tandem axle, and will be fine for what I need. Was a former fuel truck and a few others at the company I'll be running for are using these same trucks with no problems. But yes its hard as heck to find a good truck already set up or a daycab to convert for that matter. This truck will have to have about 5k in modifications to get set up for the dump box and trailer but I'm fine with that since its the best I found to work with and the price is right.
GMAN wrote: I would probably pass on the warranty if all it covers is the crank. However, I would probably do a dyno and oil analysis. A turbo will run you between $1,200-1,800. The last injector I had to buy cost $366 each plus labor. Anything can break on a truck at any time. I don't care for Cummins, but they are easy to work on.
Warranty covers more than the crank, but didn't cover things I had wanted like the turbo and injectors which pastexperience tells me is what will be most likely to take a dump on me. I've always had Cats and Detroits so I don't have any idea what goes wrong on a Cummins motor with these miles. Truck already passed a dyno and oil analysis. |
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draginzwagon
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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Cummins N14's are famous for eating injectors, they do not like any water
in the feul. you might consider upgrading the feul filter system. if the truck
is equiped with a feul/water seperator. As allot of fleet trucks are. A Cummins does not work well with these installed. I have replaced 2 injectors this year, I have 600,000 miles on the truck,not really that uncommon with this many miles. Cummins told me to get rid of the feul/water seperator. The system they recomend is about $500, but cheaper then new injectors. |
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solo379
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| Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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So, are you saying, they don't have any maitemance records on that truck?
As of to get, or not to get that warranty, is depends, what's covered, and if it's just that dealer, or a FL warranty. |
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brian
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 8:00 am Post subject: |
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| dont turn a road truck into a dump truck, well unless you like spending money. |
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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i agree with you brain 100%
floored i know you are set on this truck but i hope you like down time if it was once a road tractor. |
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MACK
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Mackman wrote: i agree with you brain 100%
floored i know you are set on this truck but i hope you like down time if it was once a road tractor.
Thats what I was trying to tell her you see I have been around dumps built out of tractors and they don't fare very well. |
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Floored
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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Guys thanks for the worry but trust me this truck will be fine, there are others at the company running these exact same trucks and no problems, the work this company does is mostly bringing in dirt to new housing developments and the roadways are smoothly plowed and the loads are not any heavier than what I hauled with my OTR truck. Shoot the road going up Donner is worse than what these transfer trucks drive on!
Now aside from ya'll thinking I'm a fool to build this truck does anyone have any REAL KNOWLEDGE on major problems these Cummins ISM engines tend to have? Thanks |
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Floored
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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draginzwagon wrote: Cummins N14's are famous for eating injectors, they do not like any water
in the feul. you might consider upgrading the feul filter system. if the truck
is equiped with a feul/water seperator. As allot of fleet trucks are. A Cummins does not work well with these installed. I have replaced 2 injectors this year, I have 600,000 miles on the truck,not really that uncommon with this many miles. Cummins told me to get rid of the feul/water seperator. The system they recomend is about $500, but cheaper then new injectors.
Thank you for the advice I asked for! ;)
I figured the injectors would be what is most likely to go, I'll look into this water seperator situation your talking about. |
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MACK
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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Do you know how much HP and torque that engine has?
Also talking to my mechanic he said the ISM is the new M11. |
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Floored
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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MACK wrote: Do you know how much HP and torque that engine has?
Also talking to my mechanic he said the ISM is the new M11.
Its the ISM 370 engine, don't have the spec sheet in front of me right now and I don't recall what the torque was at. |
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Folsom Flash
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Hi Floored,
Don't know anything about the truck in question but I'm interested in the business of running a transfer dump around Sacramento. I'd like to hear what you've learned about the business and how well one could do with their own truck. The biggest thing I was looking at was the winter season and having to keep up those payments when the work slows down. Are there many companies that you can lease on with? Thanks. |
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Couple of my friends are running the dump trucks in sacamento area they had a gr8 year last year and got another truck this year but this summer biz was not good for them and they hope coming months will improve........ hope this helps .......
Floored, that PETE was some truck i wish someone sells something like this in arround my area as i am looking to get a new truck like that but the trade off for you is awsome as you are getting into another wonderful chapter of your life... best of luck with that.... :) |
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