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old relic
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| Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:59 am Post subject: How much log history must you keep???? |
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Way back when I started trucking we only had log books - looseleaf logs were unheard of. Back then I always kept my current book and the last on preceeding that one, giving me at least a 30 day history at all times.
Now I use looseleaf logs (best thing since sliced bread). Anybody know how many days of history I must have if my logs are checked??????
THANKS in advance.
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Sabine
Joined: 20 Feb 2006
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Location: Fredericktown, MO
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| Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| only the previous 7.....keep the others in a nice safe and not so obvious place. By all means show what you must, but why give anyone a reason to really start looking at stuff. |
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GMAN
Joined: 13 Feb 2005
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Location: Tennessee
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 7:58 am Post subject: |
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| The carrier must keep them for 6 months, as I recall. It would be good for you to hang onto your logs for tax purposes. You can get a tax deduction for those days you are on the road. Your logs are proof of that time. |
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Rev.Vassago
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Location: Green Bay, WI
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:30 am Post subject: |
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GMAN wrote: The carrier must keep them for 6 months, as I recall. It would be good for you to hang onto your logs for tax purposes. You can get a tax deduction for those days you are on the road. Your logs are proof of that time.
Sorry, but you are wrong.
For a DOT audit one year (required of the carrier)
For the driver 7 days (required of the driver)
For the IRS 7 years (required of the driver, in case of an audit)
I still have ALL my logs - 10+ years worth. |
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GMAN
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Location: Tennessee
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| I need to check on the one year for a DOT audit. I thought they told me that it was 6 months. I know a carrier who recently went through a DOT audit and they were told that they only needed to keep logs for 6 months. In any case, I tend to be a pack rat when it comes to paperwork. I even have bank records from well over 30 years ago. :shock: |
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yoopr
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| 1 yr. I believe |
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Useless
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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One Year for DOT is what I remember, but I wouldn't put too much stock in what I remember!!
How does the saying go??
First, you forget names,
Then, you forget faces,
Then, you forget to zipp 'em up.....
....But lately, I've been forgetting to zipp'em DOWN!!!! :shock: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: |
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GMAN
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| I have tried numerous times to access the FMCSA website to no avail. Now you have my curiosity up. I need to make sure of this myself. Has anyone else had a problem getting through to their website today? |
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Sandspur
Joined: 03 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 8:22 pm Post subject: logs |
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| I also use the loose leaf log sheets. I am no expert by any means. My log sheets are mfg. by Keller and they actually say on the log sheet that you keep the previous 8 days ......... |
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Rev.Vassago
Joined: 04 Apr 2006
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Location: Green Bay, WI
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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GMAN wrote: I have tried numerous times to access the FMCSA website to no avail. Now you have my curiosity up. I need to make sure of this myself. Has anyone else had a problem getting through to their website today?
I haven't been able to get in all day either |
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syl77dar
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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| good luck |
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Windwalker
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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I've had several carriers tell me they have to keep log pages for six months. For DOT, in the truck, it's your current day and seven consecutive previous days. For income tax, it's seven years. But, if you don't claim the $42/day meal allowance, you don't have to keep them for taxes.
The company I'm with just went through an audit last week. I can call the safety director on Monday and check with him, but I'm sure it's six months. |
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Rokk
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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As a company driver you only need to keep your previous 7 days duty status available for any inspections. Company drivers turn in log sheets with trips to company. company has to keep logs minimum of 6 months archive.
If your using your logs for tax purposes at end of year (per-diem etc, etc.) then you will keep them a minimum of one year, as for the tax man cometh your going to want totreat them like reciepts and keep them 7 + years in case of audits but i am sure no need for longer than 10 years.
For them that collect per-diem each paycheck there is no need to keep logs for tax man at end of year.
This whole thing could be different in an Owner operator case.
I am basing what i am saying here off what my safety guy stated at the company i work at. so it could vary company to company except the previous 8 days for the driver and the minimun 6 months held by company. |
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Rev.Vassago
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| Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:20 am Post subject: |
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FMCSA website is back up, and GMAN is right - kind of.
Under part 396.3, it does indeed state that record of duty must be retained by the carrier for 6 months.
HOWEVER, under part 385, it states that during an initial 18 month safety audit, one of the things they check is driver record of duty status - so if you are tossing your driver's logs after 6 months, then you don't have one of the required documents for the audit.
FURTHERMORE, under part 396.3, it states that the Drivers Vehicle Inspection Report must be kept by the carrier for a minimum of one year, and for 6 months after a vehicle is no longer in the carrier's fleet (part 396.11). Since the vehicle inspection report is usually attached to the log, by default, you are keeping the logs for one year.
So it is a cloudy area, and technically, we are both correct. |
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GMAN
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| Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I called OOIDA earlier today and spoke with Jerry in compliance. He found it in 395.8, K-1. According to what he found, the carrier needs to keep driver logs for 6 months from receipt. I assume that means from the time the carrier receives the logs. We talked for a bit and he also informed me that it may be necessary to have logs to substantiate IFTA records. I don't recall him finding that in the rules, but I will need to do further research. When I couldn't get into the Federal website, over the weekend, I went into my state website, as well as a couple of other states. Some records must be kept as long as 4 years in my state. Some of these rules are cloudy and difficult to locate. I think that I will keep them a while longer to be safe. I think we all should have realized that it would not be as clear as it should since it involved the government. :? |
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