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Useless · Joined: 08 Oct 2005 Posts: 3177 Location: Canyon Lake, Tx.

quote="futuretrucker

Did i ever say i was going there to be a lease operator? NO how ever i did mention that if i wanted to the option is there but i said nothing about me wanting to be one right off tha bat as you make it seem. But you can say whatever you like but at least get some facts straight. Just to see what everyone else thinks look for a poll.

Later
Byron[/quote]

Don't think CR England has company drivers, regardless of what the recruiter tells you.

As far as your poll, don't see why results would be any different from what you are hearing now, but I do look foreword to seeing your poll results. Your arrogance, combined with your ignorance only serves to make you appear very foolish. Your attitude is in essence"Unless drivers have actually driven for CRE, they really don't know what they're talking about". That is analogous to saying "Unless someone has actually pi&&ed on an electric fence, he really can't tell you for sure that it's going to hurt when you do"!! But, then again, what do I know??
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Again, let me remind everyone that the red color is in honor of the red ink that awaits our Expert Wannabe!! :P

BTW, regarding your comments about Swift; there has been a lot of negative discussion about them, and much of it was well founded. I have never been a fan of Swift, but I will say that I am hearing more positive feedback about them since their change in leadership, and since the departure of Jerry Moyes!!
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Have you thought about changing your handle from "FutureTrucker" to "CRE Troll"?? :asta:

Ardmore Farms Forever · Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:09 am Post subject:

littleman2 wrote: I talk to england drivers all the time they drop off at my Con-Way yard and complain how they can't even buy food for the week and have not been home for 14 weeks so they can just stay out of the Red.

Littleman ..............I swear on a stack of Bibles this is true.........I had forgotten about it until I read your post...........I'm pretty sure I even posted about it.........I'll look and see if I can find it.

In honor of "Useless" and "Future Trucker".......I'll put this in RED...........

A little over a year ago, I was unloading at Publix Warehouse here in Jacksonville............a few docks down was a CR England truck being unloaded with a man and a woman sitting in the cab............I was bored, so I went over and started a conversation with them.........also, I was curious about everything I'd heard about England..........I asked them if they liked working (leasing) and if most of what I had heard about England was true.............the man hesitantly said, "Aw, it's O.K." (I assume his EGO wouldn't let him be truthful immediately).........then after they felt comfortable with my inquisition, the lady started crying............they both then got honest and said they were starving and had absolutely no money and no prospects of making any money in the near future leasing with C.R England............in fact, they were so far in the hole that they saw no way out except bankruptcy.............I have not seen them since that day.

That's a true story, I had completely forgotten about it.............I did give them $20.00, they were more concerned about how to pay me back..........I just told them to pass it on, someone had done the exact same thing for me many years ago, and I still am grateful to the old Black truck driver from "Atlanta Battery Company" who helped me out when I was dead broke, broke down off I-85 between Atlanta and Greenville, didn't have a dime to my name and he gave me $20.00...................I'll remember him as long as I live........I owe him a debt of gratitude, I'll NEVER be able to pay..........that old man basically changed my life by helping me out, when I couldn't even help myself............he made me realize that there is more to life than just running these highways and byways, living like a gypsy, with a young family back at home, basically living hand to mouth.

I quit trucking for about 20-years and was fortunate enough to get into the Sports Marketing and Promotions Industry.............now, I drive a truck because I WANT to, not, because I HAVE to................make life a "Hell" of a lot better.

Future Trucker............you seem to think you have ALL the answers, just like you did with "Prime"...........I'm not telling you what to do or even suggesting to you what to do..........but, you DON'T have to end up like the people whom I mentioned in the above story............the people on this board have been around a Hell of a lot longer than you and have a lot more experience (if they've driven one mile, that's more than you have.........don't get mad, the truth hurts sometimes) than you..........I suggest you just don't discount what each and every one of them say and rationalize everything to your benefit.

You sort of remind me of myself when I was younger..........all I have to say about that is, "the older I get, the more I realize how STUPID my father WASN'T", when he TRIED to give me advice............I knew a hell of a lot more than him, I thought...............damn, I had all the answers too........just like you.......boy, was I wrong.

Either way FT..........best of luck in whatever endeavor you decide on.

Rev.Vassago · Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:12 pm Post subject:

futuretrucker wrote: 136% huh, you got prove of this rev

http://refrigeratedtrans.com/mag/transportation_refrigerated_carriers_call/

It was between 100% and 110% in 2000, and they all have increased quite a bit since then.

Useless · Joined: 08 Oct 2005 Posts: 3177 Location: Canyon Lake, Tx.

Can't WAIT to see his poll!! :roll:

Skywalker · Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: Poll?

Useless wrote: Can't WAIT to see his poll!! :roll:

Me too! :D

And I loved the one about "trying to teach a pig to sing"! :D :D :D :D

I was looking for some "comedic relief"....I found it!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Useless · Joined: 08 Oct 2005 Posts: 3177 Location: Canyon Lake, Tx.

Useless:
Can't WAIT to see his poll!! :roll:

Skywalker:
Me too! :D

And I loved the one about "trying to teach a pig to sing"! :D :D :D :D

Useless:
The credit for that one Goes to Shailin!! Excellent!!..... But what about a Wannabee Pig??
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Skywalker:
I was looking for some "comedic relief"....I found it!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]

Skywalker · Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: Poll?

Useless wrote: Skywalker wrote: Useless wrote: Can't WAIT to see his poll!! :roll:

Me too! :D

And I loved the one about "trying to teach a pig to sing"! :D :D :D :D

The credit for that one Goes to Shailin!! Excellent!!..... But what about a Wannabee Pig??
:moose:
Quote: I was looking for some "comedic relief"....I found it!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You know....I'm just completely amazed at his "tenacity" in the face of all the facts.... its a rather well known fact that 99% of the lease deals are all in the benefit of the company....and CRE is known for the royal shafting they deliver to their fleece drivers.... its not a secret or a conspiracy against them.

Kind of reminds me of the guy who swears he's right, then he's confronted with a warehouse full of documents that prove him wrong...and the guy points at the documents and says....its all lies, I know it for a fact.

futuretrucker....there is no conspiracy against CRE... And frankly I don't care if you sign their lease or not. I wish you the best of luck.... As one who has been around this "fray" since 94'.... I've talked to too many people who have sadly gone down that same street.

Do yourself a favor, try to shake CRE down for an exact list of what is chargeable to you, and the amounts if you are going to lease a truck, then take that list to other companies and run a comparison. Then you will have something concrete to compare it to.

Also, consider that the OOIDA is not in the habit of launching frivolous lawsuits....

In all truth....there is absolutely no way in hell that I would even in a drunken stupor consider "leasing" a truck from anyone, especially a used truck, and be liable for the repair expenses, or many of the expenses that the other fellow listed appeared on his settlement statement.

It sounds to me like not only is the truck a "profit center", but you the lease driver (if you go that route) are also a "profit center". Not good.
No way, no how..... uh-uh.

I am one of those people who firmly believes that you need to have at least FIVE years experience in OTR before you even think about throwing yourself on that sword.... This industry is a fickle beast all of its own. Experience counts for a great deal. Even "bean counters" unfamiliar with this industry can't figure it out.

As I said....Best of Luck to you.

thisisamazing · Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2006 12:05 am Post subject:

I haven't seen anyone on here who's actually bitten the bullet and worked for England, as I did, so I guess I'll offer my two cents...

My experience with the lease operators at England was that they were the most miserable group of people I've ever faced. Back when I was a raw newbie, a couple approached my trainer and asked him, with tears in their eyes, if they could have something to eat because they were hungry. They were a lease team, and they were so ridiculously far in the hole with that criminal lease program... well, it made me sick. What else do you call a program that attempts to persuade rookies to take responsibility for a 72-foot something they only recently learned to drive?

I had a couple of friends go lease a truck with England. One guy had a friend he teamed with, and man, he sure was proud of that shiny Classic... until he had three non-warranty breakdowns (at $500 a pop) in his first month. He never even came close to breaking even, and he was only able to eat thanks to his dad's generosity. He and his partner split England in April 2005, and my friend's just finished paying them off. My other friend went solo. Despite some serious running, he only made about $250 a week. He's still a lease op, and doing well, but only because he became a trainer as soon as he could.

You can make money with England's lease program, but only if you're willing to become a trainer...

futuretrucker · Joined: 07 Jun 2005 Posts: 296

[quote="Rev.Vassago"][quote="futuretrucker"]136% huh, you got prove of this rev[/quote]

http://refrigeratedtrans.com/mag/transportation_refrigerated_carriers_call/

It was between 100% and 110% in 2000, and they all have increased quite a bit since then.[/quote]

Thank you for that article rev it was quite the read i can tell you, maybe i will be better off going with swift after all. Thanks also for opening the eyes of a blind newbie :D :D

Useless · Joined: 08 Oct 2005 Posts: 3177 Location: Canyon Lake, Tx.

Futuretrucker,

Although it may appear that we are ragging on you, ( and speaking for myself, I WILL rag on those who refuse to listen to reason!! ) every one of us here ( myself included ) are on your side. We want you to do well, and we want you to grow and to prosper.

Unfortunately, you seem to have a perception of Corporate America that is too idealistic. Not meaning to brag here, but I do get a bit emotionally involved here for a number of reasons.

1st:
I have been Blessed with more financial success than I ever should have been. Statistically, growing up in the environment that I grew up in, and suffering abuse that no child should ever have to suffer, I should by all rights be homeless, strung out on drugs or alcohol, have several children by several different women, )all in need if financial support, but not receiving it) in prison, or dead. Some how, through the Grace of a Much Higher Power, I beat those odds.

For me, The Blessings of Financial Success carry certain Spiritual and moral obligations; one of those obligations is to try to help others grow and prosper. Part of fulfilling that obligation is trying to keep others from self destructing financially.

2nd:
I'll be the first to proclaim that I'm a very eccentric person. Yes, I've done well, but I'm a thorn in the side of many people in my socioeconomic level. I spend a considerable amount of time working with a&&holes who think that financial success is achieves by &hi++ing all over other people, then sleeping like a baby at night. Charles and Dan England are both champions in that arena.

While I have never met them, I have watched Charles England testify before Congress in Washington, D.C. I'm a pretty good judge of character, and I'm telling you that he is one of the most disingenuous, artificial people I have ever seen. As far as people of his ilk are concerned, people like you exist for one reason, and one reason only; that is to make him richer.

3rd:
As our nations economy becomes increasingly "Knowledge Based", the gap between the haves and the have-nots is growing, and in my opinion, vectoring us off into the wrong direction. The problem here is that as we become increasingly knowledge based, the measure of prosperity is also divided between the "Knows" and the "know-nots". As that happens, more and more of the "knowledge based" people in our society become more and more inclined to prey upon the ignorance of those who are lacking in knowledge.

CR England is a shining example of this type of behavior.

4th:
I never hesitate to be a thorn in someones side when I feel the need arises. Now, I've taken some flack right here on CAD in the past, but this is nothing compared to the resentment that is directed to me and my family by others who are considered to be wealthy.

This is where our free enterprise system has gone wrong.

If you have ever seen a bunch of crabs in a large pot, you will see a few of them try to climb out of the pot, and you will see other crabs try to pull them down as they try to climb out. From the lower realm of our society, this happens all too frequently. You would not believe the flack that I took from people who had absolutely NO TIES to our company when we began having evening and Saturday morning classes in literacy and personal financial management. Why should it matter to anyone outside of our company?? Well, could it be that it exposed the pay-day loan sharks, and the "Shady-Slim- We Tote The Note" used car hucksters, and other jackals for what they are??

Now, imagine yourself trying to climb out of a ditch, and haxing someone else push you back down; that is what many people in my socio-economic realm do. Yes, they'll go to church on Sunday, pray their prayers, and sing their songs, and thump their Bibles; then on Monday, they'll be out "doing unto their brothers", and running like hell!!

I despise people who do that, and many of them despise me as well. That's okay; I choose not to be liked by some people, as I would think less of myself if I were liked by people of that ilk.

I've always structured my companies from the bottom up, rather than from the top down. On a managerial chart, Our Clients and Customers were ALWAYS placed above me, or The CEO. The leadership was designed to provide a support network to "The People Who Make It All Happen" Employees were always grouped in teams, and taught to compete WITH each other, but NEVER AGAINST each other.

We built our employees up, and they lifted us up. As a result, all of us came out winners, but it pissed other business owners off, because in economically depressed areas, there were some new kids on the block who were not into taking advantage of the struggling working class people.

I want the newbees, and the wannabees, and the experienced drivers who roll the freight to do well, and I'll do whatever I can to get their attention when I see them heading the wrong direction. With no apologies, no regrets.

Take another look at Swift; I never drove for them, but since they got rid of Jerry Moyes, (another a&&hole I despise), I have heard repeatedly that they are becoming more and more driver oriented.

All of us wish you the very Best.

Peace,
Useless

futuretrucker · Joined: 07 Jun 2005 Posts: 296

Thanks bro, i know you all mean well my main reason for going to england was that when i spoke to the drivers they all liked working there and the miles were there to or so they told me. I only had one guy say something neutral and that was about hometime and he said he got home every 3 weeks but he said it was due to a busy freight season. I should be hearing from swift next week

Brown67 · Joined: 05 May 2006 Posts: 211 Location: Colorado

[quote="futuretrucker"]136% huh, you got prove of this rev[/quote]

In the May 1-14, 2006 of the Trucker Magazine it says on page 1 "What are the keys to better understanding life on the road and perhaps being able to slow the driver turnover rate, which hit 136 percent the last quarter of 2005?" That s as an industry. Every year every company replaces all their drivers plus another 1/3

With CR England being one of the worst companies to work for in the industry I would bet its turnover rate is well over 136%.

futuretrucker · Joined: 07 Jun 2005 Posts: 296

Looks like swift is the way to go.

gregsdigital · Joined: 22 May 2006 Posts: 13

I am glad someone was able to show you what you needed to see before it was too late. I thought showing you (and the world) my pay statement would open your eyes but you only threw that back with hast in my face. My only reason for offering up anythning I said was to help by offering my own real experiences. Anyway I am glad someone was able to find a way to open you eyes and maybe this will be a lesson to you to seek advice from those more experienced, rather than shun it. There is always something to be learned from a man that has already done what you have never done. And to the businessman with the last long post, I understand where you are coming from, and am thankful that there are still people out there that care about their fellow human beings, I enjoy reading your enlightening posts and subscribe to your way of thinking. What's right is right and stand up for it no matter who slings s&hit at you over it. And always have a good pair of boots!
I am still looking for the right company, I have apps in and open doors from CFI thanks to skywalker, and with JB hunt thanks to this website as well as Knight Refrigerated. I am waiting for 4 more apps to be approved before I make a final decision as to who to go with, I like to consider all possibilities before I make a move. I think it may now be time to start another thread thanks to FT :-)
Drive safe all and have a prosperous, and healthy future.
Greg

littleman2 · Joined: 03 Jul 2004 Posts: 1954 Location: Washington State

FT will never drive period but he is still defending CR to the death.

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