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kev316 · Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 10

Uturn2001 wrote: happy wrote: You know what i thought truck driving was over for me. But listing to all you super truckers out there you know who you are who give advice of paper or plastic, or you want supersize with that order. %$%# yall. But i would like to say thank you anyway that kept my head up to take it one day at a time.

PEACE OUT 8)

Since you have been so kind in your comments, let me be equally as kind, and hopefully it will soak into your drug fried brain.

1. We get people coming on this board and others whining they lost their jobs because of failing a drug test all the time.

2. Then these same people whine because no one will hire them immediately.

3. For all practical purposes that idiot whiners career as a driver is over as if they are to ever drive it is back to square one.

4. Many of the ones who come here whining are not willing to give up the drugs or they are not willing to put in the time, money, and effort to make a return to trucking possible.

So since you are so quick to judge us "super truckers" you should realize that we have seen and heard this sad story many, many times and that is the reason we give the answers we do when another fool comes along with the same whine and dance. Now if you have a problem with that, tough.

Personally I have no use for someone who does drugs. I have seen it ruin too many lives, seen too many deaths as a result. If it were up to me a commercial driver who gets nailed for doing drugs would have a lifetime liscense suspension from driving any vehicle.

Now if you have turned your life around great. Don't waste your second chance because odds are you will not get a third.

(EDITED: Strike Two. Having healthy discourse is great. Differing opinions are what makes conversations interesting. But keep the name-calling to a minimum. On this board, we tolerate very little of it.)

Let's talk about what destroys lives, shall we? Alcohol is number one. Feel free to look it up. Nothing is even close.

kev316 · Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 10

littleman2 wrote: Let me see if I can traslate he said he got a job with a outlaw trucking firm that will most likely cost him more in the long run because he smoked dope. And to hell with us who told him all he will do is flip burgers.

Problem is, Ted Kennedy is not the Vice-President of the United States. Of course, neither is Cheney, but that is a different story for another time.

littleman2 · Joined: 03 Jul 2004 Posts: 1954 Location: Washington State

Hey Kev
let me quote you Quote: Let's talk about what destroys lives, shall we? Alcohol is number one. Feel free to look it up. Nothing is even close. So please, if you are going to have an opinion, have an accurate thought first, one based in fact. It would help make your case.

And my point is The woman that died because of Tedd Kennedys Drunk driving destroyed a life, lets see your quote "Lets talk about what destroys life, Alcohol!" Also Tedd kennedy 's car has killed more people then Dick Cheney's shot gun!

Twilight Flyer · Joined: 13 Nov 2002 Posts: 5793

To weigh in on the direction of this thread, it's fairly obvious that it's truckers policing their own. If the original poster learned from his mistakes and doesn't od it again, all's well with the world. But if his posting is because he was able to work around the problem and find someone to hire him anyway, regardless of the laws out there, then everyone is responding to it as would be expected.

Policing our own is something that happens far, far too infrequently and my hat is off to those that step up to the plate and do it. But because few others do, the image that most non-drivers hold of truckers is rather low. Whether it's smoking dope or whizzing on the fuel island or dumping garbage in the lot, if no one points it out and makes the attempt to get that behavior changed, the image will continue to plummet and that hurts EVERYBODY, including you.

Bottom line, if you're going to smoke pot, you've no business being on the road. PERIOD. If you have a problem with people pointing that out, you're part of the image problem that many drivers are trying to fix.

kev316 · Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 10

littleman2 wrote: Hey Kev
let me quote you Quote: Let's talk about what destroys lives, shall we? Alcohol is number one. Feel free to look it up. Nothing is even close. So please, if you are going to have an opinion, have an accurate thought first, one based in fact. It would help make your case.

And my point is The woman that died because of Tedd Kennedys Drunk driving destroyed a life, lets see your quote "Lets talk about what destroys life, Alcohol!" Also Tedd kennedy 's car has killed more people then Dick Cheney's shot gun!

Last I checked:

GW Bush: AWOL when drug screening started in the Air Force.
Dick Cheney: 3 DWI arrests (that we know of).
Laura Bush: Killed someone in Texas while driving drunk.

I agree. Alcohol kills and destroys quite effectively...unless you're well connected, I guess.

kev316 · Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 10

Twilight Flyer wrote: To weigh in on the direction of this thread, it's fairly obvious that it's truckers policing their own. If the original poster learned from his mistakes and doesn't od it again, all's well with the world. But if his posting is because he was able to work around the problem and find someone to hire him anyway, regardless of the laws out there, then everyone is responding to it as would be expected.

Policing our own is something that happens far, far too infrequently and my hat is off to those that step up to the plate and do it. But because few others do, the image that most non-drivers hold of truckers is rather low. Whether it's smoking dope or whizzing on the fuel island or dumping garbage in the lot, if no one points it out and makes the attempt to get that behavior changed, the image will continue to plummet and that hurts EVERYBODY, including you.

Bottom line, if you're going to smoke pot, you've no business being on the road. PERIOD. If you have a problem with people pointing that out, you're part of the image problem that many drivers are trying to fix.

The problem I had with this thread was it's tone toward a guy who has done the right things and seems to be getting his act together. Why ridicule him? I do not advocate substance abuse of any kind, which is my point. Why the division between pot and alcohol? In our profession, impaired drivers who have had way too much to drink the night before are a much greater problem than a drug screen that came back positive for marijuana. Policing our own is good. Problem is, given the mood of the country and it's people right now, some of us doing the policing know little of humility, understanding, and compassion. They will become dictators, not cops looking to make the roads safer.

For those of you wondering, I've been sober since Nov 17, 1992. I know of what I speak.

Ridge Runner · Joined: 18 Oct 2004 Posts: 2588 Location: North Ga.

Quote: Last I checked:

GW Bush: AWOL when drug screening started in the Air Force.
Dick Cheney: 3 DWI arrests (that we know of).
Laura Bush: Killed someone in Texas while driving drunk.

I agree. Alcohol kills and destroys quite effectively...unless you're well connected, I guess.

Would you care to share where you found that sort of information?

I have read of the AWOL stories and Bush, but none with ANY connection to drug screening.

Dick Cheney; Have no clue there. Were there convictions?

Laura Bush; I have read alot about her accident and NEVER once did I read anywhere that alcohol was involved, or did you mean that the person that Laura Bush was in the accident with was drunk?

Like I said, I would really like to know where you got this information.

Thanks

Twilight Flyer · Joined: 13 Nov 2002 Posts: 5793

Well, the big thing is that right now, alcohol is legal and pot is not. I don't necessarily disagree that alcohol is a bigger problem than pot is because for all intents and purposes, you're right. Truth be told, there is little tolerance for either and rightfully so. I just want to make sure it's discussed without any underhanded comments.

kev316 · Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 10

Ridge Runner wrote: Quote: Last I checked:

GW Bush: AWOL when drug screening started in the Air Force.
Dick Cheney: 3 DWI arrests (that we know of).
Laura Bush: Killed someone in Texas while driving drunk.

I agree. Alcohol kills and destroys quite effectively...unless you're well connected, I guess.

Would you care to share where you found that sort of information?

I have read of the AWOL stories and Bush, but none with ANY connection to drug screening.

Dick Cheney; Have no clue there. Were there convictions?

Laura Bush; I have read alot about her accident and NEVER once did I read anywhere that alcohol was involved, or did you mean that the person that Laura Bush was in the accident with was drunk?

Like I said, I would really like to know where you got this information.

Thanks

Give me a little bit and I'll post links for you. There is a very interesting history here, going back to W's father and mistress involved in a DWI. Where Cheney and Bush are concerned, both were convicted of driving under the influence. Google seach Cheney DWI, or Bush DWI (you can do DUI as well) or Laura Bush DUI/DWI and everything will be right there for you. Some of the sites are credible, some have an agenda, but they are all in agreement with the facts.

Ridge Runner · Joined: 18 Oct 2004 Posts: 2588 Location: North Ga.

I'll waite here for the credible links.

Thanks

JerryDorlshagen · Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 81

I drove truck for 26 years before being forced out of driving because of an injury and have great disdain for someone that purposely puts their lively hood on the line for drugs or alcohol.

I also can not for the life of me see why someone would do drugs or drink and drive when they know the consequences of their actions and then piss and moan they got caught.

This guy got damn lucky he found someone that hired him, and then comes on here saying hey I got caught but I found a job so it aint so bad when you get caught and that is pure horse manure.

Useless · Joined: 08 Oct 2005 Posts: 3177 Location: Canyon Lake, Tx.

Last I checked:

GW Bush: AWOL when drug screening started in the Air Force.
Dick Cheney: 3 DWI arrests (that we know of).
Laura Bush: Killed someone in Texas while driving drunk.

I agree. Alcohol kills and destroys quite effectively...unless you're well connected, I guess.[/quote]

:idea:
Seems to me that these people have friends in high places!!
Happy, on the other hand, gets high in friend's places!! :wink:

Useless · Joined: 08 Oct 2005 Posts: 3177 Location: Canyon Lake, Tx.

The problem I had with this thread was it's tone toward a guy who has done the right things and seems to be getting his act together. Why ridicule him? I do not advocate substance abuse of any kind, which is my point.

For those of you wondering, I've been sober since Nov 17, 1992. I know of what I speak.[/quote]

Sorry, but I must respectfully beg to differ here:

I see absolutely NO indication that he is in any way "getting his act together"

First off, saying "*#*^@ y'all" to those who said he'd never drive again does NOT sound like a person who's really learned from his mistakes. G-Man specifically asked him if he was driving again, and has yet to receive a reply from him.

Sorry, but this dude is just another stoned loser, and I applaud everyone who has exhibited a "zero tolerance" attitude toward him.

Peace, Useless

JerryDorlshagen · Joined: 12 Mar 2005 Posts: 81

http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/laura.asp

here is the story about Laura Bush seems there was no alcohol involved

Windwalker · Joined: 22 Oct 2005 Posts: 3098 Location: Holiday, FL

Ridge Runner wrote: I'll waite here for the credible links.

Thanks

I got curious too. Tried a search and this is what I came up with...

Features | THAT LIBERAL MEDIA
...its nerve up, has fired reporter Ted Cohen, who in July 2000 unearthed the story of George W. Bush's 1976 DWI arrest in Kennebunkport.
http://portlandphoenix.com/features/this_just_in/documents/03741836.asp

...bush dwi - his attorney general nominee lied and covered it up...
http://whistleass.typepad.com/boot_george_in_2004/2005/01/bush_dwi_his_at.html

That was just something very quick. Looks like, if I really did some looking, there may be more. He could be telling the truth.

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