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  1. 12-30-2008 08:51 AM #41
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    Default I didn't lose my cool and there is no more to it.

    Thank you for your opinions. I guess hindsight being 20-20, I should have done anything but stay there. I did not know the area, the reputation of that place, or the close proximity of the other truck stops. Being a rookie is the first problem, being bound by the federal law is the other. I stand by my decision not to drive out on the road. I was exhausted. I am glad Werner displayed their true colors because I give 110% and I would have hated to waste it on that company. I am standing on better ground now than when I first posted. I don't hold this against the TA corporation because they have provided hundreds of positive experiences during the time I was OTR. The police were doing their jobs and were extremely kind to me. The only person who could have changed this was the security guard and if he felt stupid, that was his problem, not mine. Had I the experience, I would have recorded him telling me to leave, and then explained that if anything were to happen, it would be on him. But I had no way of doing that at that time nor the knowledge of how to handle this.

    Again thank you for the feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solofemtrucker View Post
    Had I the experience, I would have recorded him telling me to leave, and then explained that if anything were to happen, it would be on him.
    Sorry to break it to you, but it still would have been on you.

    I'd suggest you carry a truck stop directory in your truck at all times. Then you'll know where alternate truck stops are located. And next time, if there isn't a marked spot to park in, don't make one for yourself and expect that the people running the truck stop won't mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago View Post
    Sorry to break it to you, but it still would have been on you.

    I'd suggest you carry a truck stop directory in your truck at all times. Then you'll know where alternate truck stops are located. And next time, if there isn't a marked spot to park in, don't make one for yourself and expect that the people running the truck stop won't mind.
    You might want to check with WY. The precedent has already been set. A driver pulled into the port of entry and went to sleep. Dot told him to move, that he could not sleep there. About five minutes down the road, the driver got into an accident. While I have no idea what happened to the driver, DOT at the port of entry told me that it all came down on them for making a driver move without hours. Drivers have been sleeping at the port ever since. And, DOT has orders not to wake them and make them move.

    That was at the Port of Entry at the east end of I-80, westbound. Next time you go through there, stop in and ask them about it. I'm thinking that would have happened in about '02 or '03. Maybe '04.

    On a side note...
    What truck stops does Werner use for fuel? If they use T/A, there would be no reason why the truck stop would not like the company. On the other hand, if Werner does not use T/A, then Werner has enough trucks to clog up all the parking without fueling, and the truck stop would find that drivers that do fuel there would be complaining about parking to take shower after fueling. The "if you're not going to buy fuel here, don't park here either" attitude could be behind not wanting Werner there. It's the same logic with "PAY-TO-PARK"... Unless you just bought fuel. Just a thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago View Post
    Sorry to break it to you, but it still would have been on you.

    I'd suggest you carry a truck stop directory in your truck at all times. Then you'll know where alternate truck stops are located. And next time, if there isn't a marked spot to park in, don't make one for yourself and expect that the people running the truck stop won't mind.
    There are truck stops that are known to have trucks towed when illegally parked. There has even been a thread on CAD about it. (I have not done a search to find it.) The poster of that thread said he heard the announcements over the PA, and when the truck was being towed out of the truck stop, a 300 pound driver found himself running down the road, trying to catch up with his truck. That means, towing fee, impound fee, and storage fee. Towing could be $300, impound - I don't know, and I've heard of storage of up to $600 a day for truck and trailer.
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  6. 12-31-2008 07:07 AM #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windwalker View Post
    You might want to check with WY. The precedent has already been set. A driver pulled into the port of entry and went to sleep. Dot told him to move, that he could not sleep there. About five minutes down the road, the driver got into an accident. While I have no idea what happened to the driver, DOT at the port of entry told me that it all came down on them for making a driver move without hours. Drivers have been sleeping at the port ever since. And, DOT has orders not to wake them and make them move.

    That was at the Port of Entry at the east end of I-80, westbound. Next time you go through there, stop in and ask them about it. I'm thinking that would have happened in about '02 or '03. Maybe '04.
    It's a different story when it is DOT telling you to get off of public property. A truck stop is private property, and they are not responsible for you keeping to the FMCSA regulations. If that were the case, I could park my truck anywhere I wanted to (illegal or not), and nobody could make me move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago View Post
    It's a different story when it is DOT telling you to get off of public property. A truck stop is private property, and they are not responsible for you keeping to the FMCSA regulations. If that were the case, I could park my truck anywhere I wanted to (illegal or not), and nobody could make me move.
    It seems I stand corrected. Thanks.

    However, I would still want something to back up the fact that I had been parked, and was required to move. Especially, like the OP said, when there might be something in the way of discrimination involved. A pocket tape recorder goes a long way in keeping people honest about what wording they used.
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  8. 12-31-2008 07:49 AM #48
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    I agree with that, which is why I said that I would call the police, and get escorted off the property to another safe place to park.
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    I am really surprised there are three pages of dialog over this matter. The driver knew she was creating her own parking spot. She was asked to leave and for what ever reason, she should have left and opted not. The police arrested her and the judge convicted her on a misdemeanor and she was let go by her employer. All the other information is not relevant.

    If she had left the TS as asked and got into a serious accident, I am sure the TS would have been involved in a civil action.

    If she was being subject to prejudice, that would be an entirely different matter and still no defense for trespassing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dobry4u View Post
    If she had left the TS as asked and got into a serious accident, I am sure the TS would have been involved in a civil action.
    Why would the truck stop be involved in a suit? They were in their rights to refuse service to someone who admitted to parking in a no parking zone and was asked to leave and didn't.

    Again it is not on the owner of private property to know or abide by the HOS regualtions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mike3fan View Post
    Why would the truck stop be involved in a suit?
    Because people will sue anyone and everyone they can to get their payday. I doubt suing the truck stop would be successful, however.
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    The OPs actions are typical of a BBR. In this case BBR =
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    There’s a lot of things here that confuse me. Why would Werner be discriminated against by a TA? If you parked somewhere other than a marked spot, why would you be surprised when you are asked to move, if not leave altogether? Once asked to leave, why would you stay? If hassled, I can be a real ass – I have in fact elevated being an ass to the level of an art form - but I have never come close to being arrested… well, maybe once at the Dallas Hook, but that’s another story that involves not being parked in a marked spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago View Post
    Because people will sue anyone and everyone they can to get their payday. I doubt suing the truck stop would be successful, however.

    Exactly! In a civil matter, lawyers will name everyone possible as negligent to get every dime possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev.Vassago View Post
    Even without any legal hours to drive, you can go 14 minutes and 59 seconds away without having to interrupt your break.
    I call BullChit! I want to see the reg to support this, and I want a comment, Yes or No, from MythBuster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by golfhobo View Post
    I call BullChit! I want to see the reg to support this, and I want a comment, Yes or No, from MythBuster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by golfhobo View Post
    I call BullChit! I want to see the reg to support this, and I want a comment, Yes or No, from MythBuster.
    I had thought of starting a thread about exactly that on the "RULES AND REGS" topic. Someting that Myth-Buster would read and be INVITED to comment.

    Since I have not done so yet, and you are so WORDY and "ELLIQUENT", would you care to do the honors?
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    this is why after 9 or 10 hours i usualy start looking for truckstops, rest areas, etc to park. I usualy can find at least 1 legal spot within an hour or two. Also, I usualy know where I plan on stoping the day before i get there. Planning is half the battle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windwalker View Post
    There are truck stops that are known to have trucks towed when illegally parked. There has even been a thread on CAD about it. (I have not done a search to find it.) The poster of that thread said he heard the announcements over the PA, and when the truck was being towed out of the truck stop, a 300 pound driver found himself running down the road, trying to catch up with his truck. That means, towing fee, impound fee, and storage fee. Towing could be $300, impound - I don't know, and I've heard of storage of up to $600 a day for truck and trailer.
    If it matters that was me who say that happen and related the story. Happened at what is now the Pilot (used to be an Ambest) at exit 4 on I 55 in IL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Musicman View Post
    OMG, why ANYONE not looking to buy narcotics or use the services of a lot lizard would stop there is a puzzle. That place is almost as bad as the now closed TA in Conley, GA.
    I agree..I've been truckin 14 yrs and have only stayed at Mont TA twice..
    #1 because it was early and #2.. I was able to get a good in/out spot..the
    food and service was horrible..The 164 and the J at exit 158 are good places..also exit 96
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