To answer the initial question posed by the OP...I hope it happens, but I doubt it. I noticed most carriers have no-guns allowed signs on their premises. Werner doesn't allow guns on your person or in your truck while on company premises or conducting company-related business (i.e. driving your truck). However, they do allow you to have your firearm stored in your personal vehicle, provided it is secured.
I think it's hogwash personally. you expect me to be out there on the open road, by myself, with no security guard, driving your truck, towing your trailer, and delivering your 'PRECIOUS CARGO', sometimes in the middle of the night, in areas that are high in violent crime...but you don't want to allow me to carry a gun to protect myself with?
You expect me to be able to defend myself with a black mag flashlight, or a flimsy pocket knife, or a tire thumper. All fine and dandy if the perp doesn't have a gun. I "might" have a chance. If he has a gun, none of those objects I have is going to do a damn thing and I'm as good as dead.
I think these companies are looking at it all wrong. If you have a driver who is armed, you're already paying him/her for being out there driving your freight around, but now you're getting FREE SECURITY for the load too! your load now has extra protection! and you dont have to pay him anymore money to do so!
Now, I'm a woman and sometimes I dont even get out of my truck to go to the bathroom because some of these places I just dont feel safe. I'll pee in a bottle and if I gotta do #2...yes guys, we girls do that to..lol, well then I go in plastic wal-mart bag and double bag it, and throw it next to the truck till I leave, then I toss it in a dumpster on my way out. As a woman, I'm more prone to being raped, sexually assaulted, kidnapped and killed than men do. I don't believe any company has the right to tell you that you can or can not protect yourself, and I also don't believe it's fair. One of these days, some driver is going to be in a situation, he/she is going to die, and there's going to be a gung-ho lawyer that will take their company to court and sue them for wrongful death. I hope that attorney wins. I hope the company is found liable for wrongful death for disallowing that driver to carry and protect themselves, and I hope it changes the industry's approach. But I'm not holding my breath for it to happen anytime soon.
But I'm sure these companies want to avoid the legal fallout of a shooting gone wrong, or if two truckers get into a shootout and innocents are wounded or killed, they don't want to be found or held liable for their employees's behavior.
so in the end, you have to make a choice. You can carry and risk getting fired. Or you can not, and risk getting killed, injured or permanently maimed. Better to be in the unemployment line looking for a new job or being judged by 12, rather than being carried by 6.
Or, you can buy your own truck, and be an O/O and make your own rules.
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Originally Posted by Windwalker
Well, I'm afraid my vote goes against carrying a firearm in a CMV. Back in about 2000, in Indiana, several CB RAMBO's were having at it. You know the routine... "PULL IT OVER RIGHT NOW, AND I'LL SHOW YOU" The guy that pulled it over (I think it was Covenant) did so to relieve some bladder pressure. He knew nothing about any rambos. North American pulled it over right behind him, got out and crossed to the shoulder... And put two 9-MM slugs into Covenant's driver's chest, then got back into his truck and left. That happened about the 60 mile marker, or so. The police caught up with North American at about the 120 mile marker. Covenant was flown to the hospital by chopper.
If they allow guns in CMV's, who do you suppose is going to be the first to arm themselves? And, what do you suppose those RAMBOs are going to do with them? NO GUNS IN TRUCKS!!!!!
There are enough other alternatives that you DO NOT NEED ONE THAT BAD.
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so because one guy cant control himself, that somehow implies everyone else should not carry? I have had my permit and firearm and carried for past few years in my personal car. I get pretty pissed in rush hour traffic and yell and scream and flip the bird when I'm driving in my car, and not once have I ever had the inclination to pull out my firearm and shoot one of them.
I've been in, in your face confrontations, talking a bunch of crap back and forth with people I don't like and I've never once had the inclination to just pull my gun out and shoot someone because I'm mad.
your logic is very flawed and baseless.
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Originally Posted by GMAN
I can't say that you can put a gun anywhere legally in your truck. There may be places where a gun would not readily be found, unless searched. You will need to check all jurisdictions to see what the laws are in those areas. You will still be taking a chance.
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you can have a gun in your truck legally in any state. It's all about how you store it. In states with no carry laws in effect and that do not reciprocate, the firearm should be unloaded, and stored in a lock box and the ammo separated and locked up as well. Then all you're doing is transporting a firearm which is completely legal in all 50 states (except for maybe New York, where that commie Bloomberg has eroded every single citizens rights to protect themselves).
Any states that reciprocate your state's carry permit, you can lay it or store it where you want, it can be loaded, just have your permit readily available (know where it is) and inform any officer that pulls you over, you have your firearm, it is loaded and you have your permit.
If you go to New York...keep your head down, dont get pulled over, and keep your mouth shut. lol.
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Originally Posted by LOAD IT
If you are soooo afraid and need a gun in the truck. Maybe you shouldn't be on the road. Stay home and run UPS FEDEX DHL deliveries.
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its not a matter of being sooooo afraid. It's having the constitutional right and ability to defend yourself should the need arise. I'm not afraid of anyone, but when I'm out in my car on home time, when I'm hiking or running around the city, I have my firearm with me. People are bat**** crazy out there and things are getting worse, times getting harder, and people getting more and more desperate and caring less and less and becoming more and more violent.
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Originally Posted by Bigmon
My local DOT guy said it's not against federal law to carry in a commercial vehicle. Crossing state lines is a problem if you're permit doesn't follow you. Some states like UT and FL cover anywhere from 10-20 states.
On other boards people have said if they are in a state their permit doesn't cover they unload the weapon and put it somewhere out of reach. Kind of like putting it in your trunk. I don't know if anyone has ever had it challenged in court.
There is a Senator that is proposing making CCW's nationwide.
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always a good bet to check local laws before traveling and see what states reciprocate and what states don't.
Concealed Carry Permit Reciprocity Maps - USA Carry
And for god's sake, dont give anyone a reason to search your cab and sleeper. Be polite, courteous, and respectful, and answer all questions truthfully (if they ask about firearms say no!!! never volunteer any info about firearms or ammo...better to be charged with a lie, than to voluntarily give yourself up). Dont act all nervous and crap, don't avoid eye contact, dont behave strangely or hesitantly. smile, be friendly, act at ease, make good natured conversation, but dont make it obvious you're trying to blow sunshine up his ass, cause then he'll get suspicious.
If he says he wants to search your truck, you politely decline and inform him that he would need a warrant to search the vehicle. Just because they are DOT...does not give them the right to search your truck without probable cause.
Contrary to popular belief, and it's retarded how many truckers think this, but most believe because you have a CDL and drive a CMV, that the government can just do whatever they want and you have no rights and that you gave them up when you got your CDL (the same way service members gave up their rights when they joined the military). THAT IS NOT TRUE! As a CMV driver, you are not a military or government employee, and you have not given up your rights to due process or warrantless searches. You still have the same rights as any other motor vehicle operator out there, CMV or 4Wheeler. CMV operators are just held to a higher standard than 4wheeler drivers, and your vehicle can be "inspected" at any time, for any reason without cause for suspicion. DOT can pull you over and inspect your truck. INSPECT...does not mean "SEARCH". Inspecting the truck means making sure it is in good working order, safe to operate on public roads for profit. That's it.
Probable cause is NOT justified by refusing to allow your truck to be searched. They try to bully and threaten you into thinking that. Do not get into an argument about your constitutional rights...that makes it worse. Just politely refuse the search and ask him to produce a warrant. If he continues, ask for him to call his supervisor out.
At that point, he is going to go back to his car and behave like he's going to get a warrant. At this point, you need to get on the phone with 911, and demand to speak to the Sergeant on Duty or the Lieutenant on duty, and inform them of what is going on, and the you would appreciate their presence, and that you have cooperated fully with the police officer, but you are not submitting to a search without a warrant and you feel there is no basis for a search. If you have an attorney on speed dial, I suggest calling them and letting them listen to the whole ordeal live as it's happening, or somehow recording the audio of what's going on.