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Thread: Mix green and brown antifreeze?

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    Default Mix green and brown antifreeze?

    My engine has the old and familiar green antifreeze. Can only seem to find the new brownish antifreeze at the shops/stores/truck stops. Is it okay to mix these?
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    No I don't beieve it is recomended. If it was my truck I would test the anti freeze in it now. If it ok use it, but eventually change over to the extended life anti freeze. Which is the brown anti freeze. Anti freeze is one place I don't cut corners, can be very expensive if you let it go! A diesel engine has a lot of internal vibrations which will cause pitting if anti freeze is bad.

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    From here: http://www.eetcorp.com/antifreeze/antifreeze-faq.htm#q8


    Can I add propylene glycol based antifreeze to my existing ethylene glycol based antifreeze?

    Ethylene glycol and propylene glycol are chemically very similar and can be mixed without harming the cooling system. Ethylene glycol does have better heat transfer properties than propylene glycol. Adding propylene glycol does not make the ethylene glycol less toxic.

    And From here: http://www.universallubes.com/0703-1-AF-Rainbow.pdf


    Heavy Duty – Diesel Engines
    Diesel engine antifreeze/coolants are formulated for longer and more severe operation
    than those formulated for light duty engines (of course, these higher performance
    coolants can be used in light and medium duty applications). Heavy duty diesels, and
    some light and medium duty diesel engines, are subjected to cavitation erosion
    problems, as well as the corrosion and water pump durability problems shared by all
    engines.
    The colors of common U.S. heavy duty antifreeze coolants are:
    _ Red-orange for Caterpillar ELC.
    _ Pink is Freightliner FleetCharge.
    _ Green is Peterbilt factory fill and any aftermarket conventional coolant.
    _ Blue is Cummins Fleetguard Compleat
    _ Yellow is Ford GO-5
    More and more fleets are going with fully-formulated antifreeze coolants to avoid the
    necessity of initial charging with supplemental coolant additives (SCA’s). Conventional
    and extended life heavy duty coolants showed be monitored by testing (test strips
    and/or laboratory analysis) to determine when SCA’s should be added. Be sure the
    SCA is the proper one for the type of coolant in use.
    Mixing of Coolants
    A 10% limit for mixing different coolant types is recommended by engine manufacturers
    and ATA’s Technology Maintenance Council (TMC). There is a lot of laboratory test
    data that indicates that mixtures of different types of coolants will not provide the
    needed protection.
    There are three basic types of coolants in common use in the U.S. today –
    conventional and two types of extended life. The green conventional is designed to
    work at a pH of 8.5 – 10.5. The higher pH helps prevent corrosion and helps to keep
    the additives in solution. The extended life coolants can be classified as carboxylate or
    hybrid. Carboxylate is another name for OAT coolant and these are designed for a pH
    range of 6.0-8.5. The hybrid uses OAT and conventional additives and operates at a
    pH of 7.5-8.5.
    Many of the new heavy duty antifreeze/coolants use both OAT and conventional
    additives, making them hybrids
    Mixing more than 10% of the low pH extended life coolants with the high pH
    conventional coolants can cause the inorganic additives in the green coolant to come
    out of solution and form solid deposits in the cooling system.
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    Ummm, my ELC has always been red. Automotive DexCool is orange or yellow. Old ethylene glycol is green. What the heck kinda coolant is brown?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Musicman
    Ummm, my ELC has always been red. Automotive DexCool is orange or yellow. Old ethylene glycol is green. What the heck kinda coolant is brown?
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