I want to run super singles... but....

[allan5oh]

They're not legal up here in manitoba, or any other prairie province for that matter.

They would be perfect for my application. Currently I run:

1220 rpm at 55 mph

1340 rpm at 60 mph

I usually cruise at 60 mph

If I put on super singles it would move up to:

1300 rpm at 55 mph

1410 rpm at 60 mph

A little more livable.

[special k]

Do you want to run super single or the new wide base low profiles? If you want to run the new style I just read an article where a head honcho at Bridgestone said unless you're getting more revenue because of being lighter than duals you're wasting your money going to them. Furthermore he said the fuel mileage claims were not enough reason to go that route. Now this is from the guy that wants to sell you tires. Makes you wonder about these van haulers using them doesn't it?

[allan5oh]

It would be worth it for me because my truck is a pig, not only that it would bring the RPM's up. Much better then changing out gears.

Also, the handling of the truck would be improved. I would like that.

[no_worries]

Won't you get about the same change by going to low pro 22.5's on your duals? My steers at 275-80R-22.5's are almost the same rpm's as my X-one's.

[allan5oh]

I hear it's comparable, but not quite the same.

Still twice as many sidewalls.

[Kranky]

My concern would be this:

With conventional duals, if you blow a drive or trailer tire, you can limp to the next exit and get off the highway and out of danger somewhat.

If you blow a super single, you're dead in the water, right where it happens, and....by the time you get 'er stopped, that expensive 13" wide rim may be history too.

[allan5oh]

Yeah that can be an issue, but I believe that super singles can definitely be more reliable.

With a dual setup, if one tire is 10-20 psi lower then the rest you cant really notice it unless you put a gauge to it. By then, the tire might be damaged.

I don't think super singles will blow out anywhere near as often as long as you take care of them. With duals, one tire can scrub real bad.

[roadranger]

With a dual setup, if one tire is 10-20 psi lower then the rest you cant really notice it unless you put a gauge to it. By then, the tire might be damaged.

Crossfires or Cat's Eye pressure monitors 8) .

[no_worries]

I've been running single for 2 years and have been happy with the tires. However, it seems that there is an issue with my suspension that has just recently been identified by KW. Because SS are not the norm, they could cause issues that aren't initially apparent. This is something that seems to be specific to this transmission but it does heighten my awareness of the potential for problems.

[heavyhaulerss]

a driver i know ran super singles. he had a flat & someone had to travel 200 mi (he said) to bring him one.

[allan5oh]

Every michelin dealer in north america is supposed to have them...

[Bobby]

I've been running single for 2 years and have been happy with the tires. However, it seems that there is an issue with my suspension that has just recently been identified by KW. Because SS are not the norm, they could cause issues that aren't initially apparent. This is something that seems to be specific to this transmission but it does heighten my awareness of the potential for problems.

What are the problems you are having ?

[no_worries]

Speedco's and Petro's all carry X-ones as well.

Bobby,

Wide-base tires derive their fuel efficiency from the fact that there are half as many sidewalls flexing. In addition, the sidewalls are beefed up, resulting in less flexion. The consequence is that X-ones vibrate at a higher frequency while going down the road. KW has determined that the AG400 suspension is not engineered to properly dissipate this higher frequency of vibration. The end result is that added stress is transferred to the brake components. I've snapped 3 S-cam brackets and ripped 3 brake cannister off of their mounting bolts. They've come up with a possible solution that's factory installed on all new trucks and can be retrofitted on older ones. I had it installed this winter so we'll see if if does the trick. I have to say, I'm skeptical.

[allan5oh]

Honestly, higher frequencies are usually much easier on components. It's the lower frequencies that hurts things.

I think kenworth is scapegoating.

[Bobby]

Speedco's and Petro's all carry X-ones as well.

Bobby,

Wide-base tires derive their fuel efficiency from the fact that there are half as many sidewalls flexing. In addition, the sidewalls are beefed up, resulting in less flexion. The consequence is that X-ones vibrate at a higher frequency while going down the road. KW has determined that the AG400 suspension is not engineered to properly dissipate this higher frequency of vibration. The end result is that added stress is transferred to the brake components. I've snapped 3 S-cam brackets and ripped 3 brake cannister off of their mounting bolts. They've come up with a possible solution that's factory installed on all new trucks and can be retrofitted on older ones. I had it installed this winter so we'll see if if does the trick. I have to say, I'm skeptical.

Interesting,
What is the possible solution ?
Also, how did the truck feel after you switched... handling...ride.....running in the rain...etc.

[Doghouse]

I was going to get the SS,....but when I saw the video of how easy it was to control a blowout, I changed my mind. Not because it seemed unsafe, but because it seemed to me that they were blowing out both tires on one side at a time.
When they did this, it was impossible to tell what would happen to the good tire,...would it also blow, or could it hold the weight of a missing tire?
The video led me to believe that if one tire went,...the other would blow as well. I'll try to find the link and post it, but in the meantime, has anyone seen a blowout in action on SS's?

[no_worries]

Honestly, higher frequencies are usually much easier on components. It's the lower frequencies that hurts things

Suspension systems are engineered to deal with vibration within certain tolerances. Get outside those tolerances and you're going to have issues, whether it be higher or lower frequency. A higher frequency means more vibration in a time period. They're looking at their own engineering as the problem so if somebody is looking for a scapegoat they kind of missed the point, don't ya think?

Bobby, their fix is a bracket that's welded to the axle housing to which a clamp is attached which has a swivel point. That clamp goes around the s-cam bracket and allows added range of motion with the flexion of the suspension. This is meant to relieve the stress placed on the braking components when the suspension flexes.

I've love the wide-base tires. The ride is smooth and I've never had a handling issue. In two years I haven't broken traction in rain or snow. Maintenance is a snap and I've been pretty happy with the tread life (projected at 340,000 miles). I had one blowout and it was a non-issue as far as handling. I didn't even realize it had happened as it felt and sounded like I'd just hit a bump in the road. Only when my traction control showed I was spinning did I realize what had happened. The truck tracked normally the whole time and there was no issue as far as added weight on the remaining tire, nor was their any damage to the wheel or my equipment. It happened near Van Horn, TX on a Saturday night, so I was down for about 3 hours waiting for a service truck from El Paso. I called the Speedco in El Paso, purchased a tire from them and the service guy brought it out and installed it. Ran me $300 for the call and 3 hours. I was very pleased. Now that I have my own trailer I carry a spare.

[Bobby]

Thanks for the info.